(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[Aveliokun]WR[3p]BR[4d]DT[2011-09-27]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: hi gg
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1785.837]C[breakfast [3p\]: have a great game!
]
;W[dd]WL[1766.885]
;B[cp]BL[1782.436]
;W[pq]WL[1758.764]
;B[fc]BL[1776.305]
;W[cf]WL[1741.417]
;B[po]BL[1772.045]
;W[od]WL[1712.34]
;B[oe]BL[1723.234]
;W[ne]WL[1655.343]
;B[pe]BL[1657.341]
;W[md]WL[1638.892]
;B[ic]BL[1653.675]
;W[eq]WL[1600.22]
;B[oc]BL[1610.876]
;W[nc]WL[1588.202]
;B[ob]BL[1609.032]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: comments?
traindope [1k\]: punnoki
Zvi [-\]: breakfast is breaking fast
Zvi [-\]: just not sure if himself or the opponent
mapuche27 [4k\]: ponnuki= star
]
;W[oo]WL[1498.214]C[Matt [6k\]: no, hoshi is star
]
;B[on]BL[1582.869]C[traindope [1k\]: same trick w use on b
Zvi [-\]: yes i was about to ask what hoshi means if ponnuki is star
]
;W[op]WL[1481.423]C[traindope [1k\]: haha
]
;B[pm]BL[1575.983]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: ponnuki death star
mapuche27 [4k\]: like star wars
Zvi [-\]: lol
Matt [6k\]: ponnuki is the p16  shape
]
;W[ng]WL[1463.924]
;B[do]BL[1550.501]
;W[eb]WL[1450.527]
;B[fp]BL[1544.981]
;W[fb]WL[1445.797]
;B[ie]BL[1536.031]
;W[ph]WL[1416.545]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: break fast is a pro player?
Matt [6k\]: yes, korean
Zvi [-\]: i think he was but isn't aanomore
domie [1d\]: ☺ ☺   Rengo  3k - 5d    ☻ ☻ , please join
vroom [5k\]: p means pseudo dan
Zvi [-\]: oh, still is?
Genotive [3k\]: p means professional dan
Matt [6k\]: oh
Matt [6k\]: no idea
Matt [6k\]: maybe ^^
mkeller [5k\]: w from russia and only honorary pro, but still super strong :)
mapuche27 [4k\]: ohhh, great
Zvi [-\]: what onorary pro means ?
Zvi [-\]: honorary*
mapuche27 [4k\]: black is the best player in my country
Swarm [19k\]: yes.
]
;B[fq]BL[1434.073]C[Swarm [19k\]: me, mapuche27 and aveliokun are from Chile
mkeller [5k\]: he failed the pro exam (apparently), but has been given honorary pro title for popularizing go in the west
mapuche27 [4k\]: ohhh, cool
Zvi [-\]: i see
Swarm [19k\]: cool
mkeller [5k\]: haha, mapuche should have been a giveaway :)
Zvi [-\]: thank you
mkeller [5k\]: np
]
;W[ig]WL[1362.815]C[Ootakamoku [1d\]: honorary pro = there is a cornflakes called "honorary with honey" where there are a few "pro go player" lisences as gifts for a lucky few"
Matt [6k\]: how often can you take the exam?
mkeller [5k\]: no idea
mapuche27 [4k\]: giveaway?
mapuche27 [4k\]: my english is bad...
]
;B[dg]BL[1402.793]C[mkeller [5k\]: means it's pretty obvious
]
;W[df]WL[1344.725]C[Swarm [19k\]: how is it obvious?
]
;B[fg]BL[1398.399]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: i dont know...
]
;W[gf]WL[1325.845]C[mkeller [5k\]: the mapuche are indigenous people of northern chile
Swarm [19k\]: wrong.
Swarm [19k\]: southern chile
]
;B[ff]BL[1387.659]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: south
Zvi [-\]:                                                                                                                                                       
mkeller [5k\]: oh yes? i alwyas thoughtin the north, close to bolivia
Swarm [19k\]: nope
mapuche27 [4k\]: no, aymara 
Swarm [19k\]: aymaras are in the north.
]
;W[ge]WL[1300.129]
;B[gg]BL[1385.169]C[mkeller [5k\]: haha, guess we all learned something today :)
]
;W[gc]WL[1288.947]C[vroom [5k\]: what exactly is chile
Swarm [19k\]: in the region so called "altiplano"
mkeller [5k\]: isn't evo morales aymara as well?
Swarm [19k\]: Chile is a south american country
]
;B[lc]BL[1355.414]C[Swarm [19k\]: mkeller, those populations in Chile account for less than 1% of the whole thing
ThunderGod [5d\]: Simul again..hm..Now I will be mean but breakfast try to get back his reputation after egc?^^
iTengen [2k\]: I wouldn't rate this guy in an even game vs  4d let alone simul
Aminimus [18k?\]: chile is a meat and bean dish
]
;W[nb]WL[1261.581]C[Aminimus [18k?\]: /s
]
;B[jg]BL[1350.197]
;W[ih]WL[1253.006]C[vroom [5k\]: yes, and why is there north and south on this dish
mapuche27 [4k\]: meat and bean dish?
]
;B[if]BL[1345.338]C[Zvi [-\]: itengen stop trolling
mkeller [5k\]: i'm surprised though, the mapuche troubles actually made news in north america (for a very short period of time)
vroom [5k\]: there are people living in your chile
iTengen [2k\]: Zvi "trolling" implies dishonesty: I would need you to believe something about me that isn't true.
Asum [1k\]: Think I like black so far
Aminimus [18k?\]: indeed, meat and bean dish. Eaten by middle Americans
Aminimus [18k?\]: very tasty
iTengen [2k\]: I'm not trolling because I do not pose that statement as being honest: it is simple hyperbole
Zvi [-\]: it might imply dishonesty but doesn't have to be dishonest
iTengen [2k\]: If you want to characterise my statement, it is not a troll, but an insult to Breakfast
]
;W[jh]WL[1161.932]C[Zvi [-\]: your statement was very disrespectful towards B , which seem to be the strongest player in chille and has some local fans right here talkng of the subject
Zvi [-\]: er
Zvi [-\]: so maybe i missunderstood it, care to explain ?
iTengen [2k\]: No, disrespectful to W
]
;B[mf]BL[1326.173]
;W[nf]WL[1156.949]
;B[kh]BL[1323.274]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: I am not fan to black, I am fans only of  my korean master
]
;W[ki]WL[1132.672]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: fan of black
]
;B[kg]BL[1320.497]C[iTengen [2k\]: I like black 
Zvi [-\]: anyway, if i misunderstood what you said then forgive me, i didn't mean to falsly accuse you of trolling
mkeller [5k\]: w's ponnuki didnt really accomplish anything yet, did it?
Aminimus [18k?\]: I like black and white
Zoidberg [1k\]: I bet breakfast will make life with the E3 stone :)
]
;W[ke]WL[1080.424]C[mapuche27 [4k\]: heavy shape for black
mkeller [5k\]: nah, he'll just leave b overconcentrated with a few points in the corner :)
mapuche27 [4k\]: in upper side
LeT63 [-\]: L16
mkeller [5k\]: b is in a bit of a tough sport now
]
;B[ji]BL[1254.948]C[mkeller [5k\]: spot*
]
;W[jj]WL[1037.787]
;B[ii]BL[1246.075]C[Zoidberg [1k\]: It is a tough sport too, though
Zvi [-\]: lol
Matt [6k\]: well the ladder works
]
;W[eo]WL[997.035]C[Zvi [-\]: ehm?
Zvi [-\]: does it ?
Matt [6k\]: for b
Zvi [-\]: needs a ladder breaker like this
mkeller [5k\]: but b h13 would suck for w
Zvi [-\]: oh, usually when people say a ldder works they mean the stones are killed
Matt [6k\]: should have added, whom it worked for :D
Zvi [-\]: ^^
sentra [1d\]: I would take the 3 stones
Zoidberg [1k\]: Should connect
]
;B[en]BL[1180.69]C[Matt [6k\]: well, still possible to get out even if j12  lives
Zvi [-\]: looks doable, but will probably hurt black alot
Zvi [-\]: i don't think he'll easily allow white out of there
Matt [6k\]: i would also take  j12 . living and nice ´influence
]
;W[li]WL[920.081]C[plume [2k\]: could become double attack
Matt [6k\]: ok now he must take :D
]
;B[fo]BL[1161.073]C[mkeller [5k\]: not yet
sentra [1d\]: er
sentra [1d\]: i dont get this move
]
;W[bh]WL[871.666]C[plume [2k\]: thick move
mkeller [5k\]: the bottom is really big now
]
;B[ij]BL[1152.545]C[Matt [6k\]: if playing there f5  should be at k3 
Matt [6k\]: but f5..
Bamboozler [2k\]: eliminates aji maby
Zvi [-\]: black being pretty greedy
mkeller [5k\]: f5 was really odd
]
;W[jk]WL[827.586]C[sentra [1d\]: if strengthen bottom, isn;'t k3 better?
Zvi [-\]: f5 makes a strong and big corner
Zvi [-\]: influencing alot omf bottom and left side
mkeller [5k\]: but the corner was already strong
]
;B[ik]BL[1134.262]C[Zvi [-\]: i can't say i'd play f5, but i can see what it gives
]
;W[jl]WL[809.375]C[Zvi [-\]: it's not a small move, that's for sure
]
;B[il]BL[1128.567]C[Zvi [-\]: maybe just alittle slow and safe
mikey [9k\]: omg breakfast playing 5 board? o.o
]
;W[jm]WL[792.817]
;B[ci]BL[1123.236]C[Zvi [-\]: yes
Matt [6k\]: b gotta watch out for q7 
]
;W[qo]WL[784.78]C[dan2dan [2d\]: b cornerrrr
plume [2k\]: c11 not ggod
]
;B[qn]BL[1118.453]C[plume [2k\]: good
plume [2k\]: too small, gote
]
;W[ro]WL[770.251]C[sentra [1d\]: c11 is not small
]
;B[qj]BL[1103.524]
;W[rh]WL[765.003]C[PGxKenobi [7k\]: c11 is big
plume [2k\]: should have been played on the right
]
;B[rn]BL[1089.25]C[mkeller [5k\]: without c11, j9 stones make no sense
]
;W[bi]WL[736.004]C[PGxKenobi [7k\]: yep
plume [2k\]: why?
Zvi [-\]: as long as black lives on the right, which does seem to happen
]
;B[cj]BL[1084.075]C[Zvi [-\]: c11 is good
PGxKenobi [7k\]: and white will come in and destroy black's territories
Egad [-\]: if you could only play moves that made sense then i would be out of moves after fuseki
mkeller [5k\]: if w got c11 (or something there), then b would be ridiculously overconcentrated
plume [2k\]: if white plays first on the right he would get as much as on the left
mkeller [5k\]: hehe egad, i guess that holds for the vast majority of people on this server :)
]
;W[cq]WL[671.771]C[Zvi [-\]: plume
Zvi [-\]: dod you have a problem with b11 or with c11?
]
;B[bq]BL[1064.338]C[Zvi [-\]: you said c11, but you seem to discuss the stone for white
]
;W[br]WL[657.98]C[traindope [1k\]: haha
Pulpstar [8k\]: Is breakfast going to make his E3 grp come out from its grave ?
]
;B[cr]BL[1058.766]C[mkeller [5k\]: no way
]
;W[dq]WL[645.825]C[traindope [1k\]: w can have b7 :)
]
;B[ar]BL[1046.793]C[lofuchi [2k\]: w just all die?
]
;W[pc]WL[618.164]
;B[pb]BL[1040.929]C[Pulpstar [8k\]: Sets up a ko threat for life i guess
]
;W[qc]WL[602.257]C[Egad [-\]: he was making ko threats for an imaginary ko
]
;B[pd]BL[1037.086]C[Zvi [-\]: yes i don't see a ko here
mkeller [5k\]: setting up a ko here?
]
;W[qb]WL[588.922]
;B[nd]BL[1035.095]C[dumbo: here we are
Zvi [-\]: no ko.
Zvi [-\]: nope
mkeller [5k\]: what?
sentra [1d\]: this ko is heavy for w too
]
;W[bs]WL[569.587]C[cheoksa [4k\]: multi-step ko?
]
;B[od]BL[1029.229]C[Egad [-\]: easy
Zvi [-\]: just two steps
traindope [1k\]: woah
]
;W[bp]WL[558.521]C[Egad [-\]: should a4 just to mess with him
sentra [1d\]: must exchange b5
sentra [1d\]: or a4?
mkeller [5k\]: i cant believe that e3 got to live after all
]
;B[kq]BL[970.51]C[Pulpstar [8k\]: heh
Toponovich [6k\]: B5 A4 K3 ...
plume [2k\]: 2 steps?
Matt [6k\]: big movr
plume [2k\]: i just see one
Matt [6k\]: e
traindope [1k\]: ehh...
Zvi [-\]: black saving ko aji there
huggy [2k\]: handi advantage nearly gone
Zvi [-\]: what handi advantage?
mkeller [5k\]: huh?
JoseQi [4k\]: no handis
Kaitoshi [5d\]: no handi
Zvi [-\]: 0.5 komi ?
]
;W[lg]WL[501.21]C[huggy [2k\]: oh
Egad [-\]: yeah, W has gained nearly 6 points already
mkeller [5k\]: simul games have no handi, that would be nuts
Zvi [-\]: lol
Pulpstar [8k\]: Breakfast got black to make a poor shape in top right, whilst bringing his bottom left group back from the dead !
]
;B[ld]BL[933.636]
;W[jf]WL[493.403]
;B[hh]BL[930.728]C[Egad [-\]: i joined an 8ks simul the other day
mkeller [5k\]: that must have been glorious
Egad [-\]: thats when i found out that i cant take W in someone elses  simul
]
;W[me]WL[473.431]
;B[mc]BL[922.713]C[traindope [1k\]: :D
Zvi [-\]: did you ?
plume [2k\]: N15 cutting is big
Egad [-\]: yeah, i took B and gave 100 komi
Zvi [-\]: cool
Zvi [-\]: has that vs danigabi once
sentra [1d\]: but w b5 would be painful for b
maicho [5k\]: 100 komi?
Egad [-\]: i never want to do that again
Zvi [-\]: i took black and gave like 50 or 100 points komi
]
;W[bo]WL[434.776]C[Zvi [-\]: he owned me :/
]
;B[or]BL[917.292]C[Egad [-\]: have to play so ugly when you have a komi disadvantage
dumbo: b5 would be instead of n17
mkeller [5k\]: just kill everything?
Zvi [-\]: it's hard to determine when your ahead and when not
JoseQi [4k\]: i played a 29k and gave her 360 komi, and won
mkeller [5k\]: i recently watched a 6d ay a 100 komi game, it was ludicrous
]
;W[nn]WL[385.14]
;B[nm]BL[911.793]
;W[mm]WL[371.334]C[Zvi [-\]: yeah i've beaten a 16k with +420 points
dumbo: o6
mkeller [5k\]: just hope and pray that the other player doesnt see through your weak s$$t
Egad [-\]: i had a 16k ask me for 21 handi the other day
]
;B[pp]BL[849.955]C[sentra [1d\]: how is +420 pts possible?
mkeller [5k\]: how would you set that up?
Egad [-\]: 9 handi then a lot of passing
Zvi [-\]: i've killed all of the board an ignored quite a few moves
Kinnikuman: ฆ่าสองเม็ดแต้มเยอะ
]
;W[oq]WL[346.091]C[Zvi [-\]: every now and then went back to kill some more
perigril [6k\]: sentra: pass the first 360 moves and kill all stones?
Zvi [-\]: then pass many moves
Toponovich [6k\]: just pass 360 times and let black fill whole board but 1 cell....
Zvi [-\]: till he fills stuff on
Zvi [-\]: lol topo
]
(;B[mn]BL[820.068]C[Toponovich [6k\]: so, you gain 360 points in 1 move... and start again....
Pulpstar [8k\]: Hmm sounds more like a 30k than a 16k
Zvi [-\]: you gain 720
Toponovich [6k\]: 16k means 16000
Zvi [-\]: if he passes after that, the whole board is yours
Kinnikuman: เปนกุก็รู้
Aveliokun [4d\]: i think was a big mistake
]
;W[no]WL[313.698]C[sentra [1d\]: when you pass you need to give your opponent one stone
]
(;B[ml]BL[804.427]
;W[lm]WL[305.769]
;B[nr]BL[792.419]C[perigril [6k\]: why, he is playing in your terretory :)
]
;W[qp]WL[292.729]C[Zvi [-\]: he's 16k, why is he playing at all ?
]
;B[ri]BL[776.605]C[Zvi [-\]: he was really annoying in kibitz
Egad [-\]: the best way to win and to ask someone for 360 handi, then make 2 eyes and tell them you changed your mind, 359 is enough
]
;W[rf]WL[277.559]C[Zvi [-\]: tried explaining the concept of a bent 4 in the corner to him
Zvi [-\]: he said i don't know anythinf
]
;B[re]BL[769.277]C[Zvi [-\]: and challenged me ;/
]
;W[pn]WL[269.636]
;B[po]BL[766.647]C[mkeller [5k\]: bent 4 discussions are fun, yes. had a couple of those recently
]
;W[nl]WL[256.409]
;B[om]BL[763.929]C[Squiggles [2d\]: a lot of people don't get the bent 4 is actually only 3 stones
Egad [-\]: bent 4 is always dead, i know this well
Zvi [-\]: yes, the eyeshape is a bent 4
Squiggles [2d\]: in japanese rule
Squiggles [2d\]: s
Egad [-\]: i often argue it just for fun though
Squiggles [2d\]: in aga and chinese i think you have to play it out ?
]
;W[im]WL[223.376]C[Egad [-\]: thats because you can remove all threats without losing points
Zvi [-\]: since it's area scoring there's no reason to
Squiggles [2d\]: right
mkeller [5k\]: some people questioned my sanity after having argued that it's not seki/dead
]
;B[hm]BL[734.362]C[Egad [-\]: if anyone knows the rules then they would just count it dead
Kinnikuman: เห้ยยย รีวิวแล้ว
]
;W[hn]WL[217.047]C[Squiggles [2d\]: j3 incoming
]
;B[gn]BL[732.242]C[JoseQi [4k\]: yup
Zvi [-\]: well, there isn't a specific rule about a bent 4
Toponovich [6k\]: how can you remove treats without losing points?
Zvi [-\]: best way to exaplin the fact that you don't need to play it out is 'both players play with mutual respect to each other'
]
;W[hr]WL[189.221]C[Egad [-\]: because each stone you play is worth 1 point
Zvi [-\]: which kinda starts the japanese rule set
mkeller [5k\]: you can't in japanese rules...
maicho [5k\]: nice move
JoseQi [4k\]: actusally j3 doesnt work yet
Egad [-\]: in chinese and aga rules you get 1 point for every stone on the board at the end
sentra [1d\]: j3 k4
Toponovich [6k\]: oh, yes, in chinese rules...
mkeller [5k\]: i actually played in my own territory just to prove my point once :)
Squiggles [2d\]: J4 ?
LoLPro [7k\]: J4 only
]
;B[iq]BL[669.491]C[Zvi [-\]: it's like people seem to not realize that if you use a dead group to capture an enemy stones, and you still don't live
Zvi [-\]: you are losing points
plume [2k\]: you count all sones and empty space together, so doesnt matter if it s a stone or a empty, toponovich
]
;W[hq]WL[171.643]C[Zvi [-\]: thinking 'ever stone i put and he reacts i don't lose points'
]
;B[ip]BL[658.21]C[Zvi [-\]: when infact if you capture you lose points since you clean them off of his area
Genotive [3k\]: g7?
Squiggles [2d\]: i don't know exactly what you're referring to now
LoLPro [7k\]: G7 H8 G5
breakfast [3p\]: pls add some time
Zvi [-\]: nice
Egad [-\]: dont add time, time management is part of the game!
Squiggles [2d\]: lol
Egad [-\]: W is cheating
]
;W[fr]WL[407.115]C[Zvi [-\]: but time absorbing also is
traindope [1k\]: haha
Toponovich [6k\]: in American rules exist ben10...
maicho [5k\]: add some time ....... the game is funny
Zvi [-\]: white mind tricked into getting more time
]
;B[pr]BL[644.126]C[Squiggles [2d\]: well it's a simul
Squiggles [2d\]: so..
TenJack [14k?\]: using your rank to ask for time... is that called a "ranksuji"?
Egad [-\]: then think faster or play less games
Zvi [-\]: lol
]
;W[qr]WL[387.543]C[maicho [5k\]: jajaja
Squiggles [2d\]: no it's called a simulsuji
maicho [5k\]: ranksuji
]
;B[rr]BL[631.308]C[mkeller [5k\]: well, i have heard of "pulling rank" before
]
;W[rs]WL[381.607]
;B[rq]BL[628.485]C[Squiggles [2d\]: when playing a 3p in a simul you'd think it would be nice to listen to a simple request
Egad [-\]: when i play simuls i never ask for time, i just kill them fast
]
;W[qq]WL[376.907]C[sisi [12k\]: see first time then breakfast asked a time
sisi [12k\]: i see*
Matt [6k\]: whats b doing? w hasm5  anywas
grooviest [5k\]: bigdogsuji
Squiggles [2d\]: not sure
Zvi [-\]: white need to get m5 first
Squiggles [2d\]: trying to save n6 will only be bad
Egad [-\]: if i was playing a 3p in a simul then i would be offended if he asked for time
Squiggles [2d\]: you guys are weird
LoLPro [7k\]: q1
TenJack [14k?\]: yeah, w has five 1:00 byoyomi periods
Egad [-\]: he wouldn't ask for time against another pro, hes obviously looking down on B
sentra [1d\]: n4 is sente then get the big yose
LoLPro [7k\]: m5
Squiggles [2d\]: you guys are so freaking weir
TenJack [14k?\]: yep, hence "ranksuji"
Squiggles [2d\]: weird*
]
;B[mq]BL[530.307]C[plume [2k\]: they are jalous, squiggles
suiram [3k\]: Squiggles, thx
Toponovich [6k\]: every time someone asks for time his time should be reduced to a half
TenJack [14k?\]: lol
Egad [-\]: this just really upsets me, i think i need some fresh air
Squiggles [2d\]: i hope you're all trolling
LoLPro [7k\]: m4
]
;W[cm]WL[348.645]C[Squiggles [2d\]: ballsy
dethroit [15k\]: why not b T2?
sentra [1d\]: ko
Matt [6k\]: m5 captures n6 
LoLPro [7k\]: d8
Toponovich [6k\]: Egad are correct.... if you want to play simul with 30m games..... then play simul with 30 minute time!!!
go123go [10k\]: t2 s4
maicho [5k\]: destruction
Genotive [3k\]: t2 m6
Kinnikuman: นำห่าไร กุหลอก
]
;B[ln]BL[451.179]C[Genotive [3k\]: t2 m5*
Sbtnight [9k?\]: noone in any of the other games is whining because he asked for time.
TenJack [14k?\]: this room has the most observers
tyuile: m14s the way to go for black
Squiggles [2d\]: they are just trolling at this point
Egad [-\]: are you suggesting that i join the other games and complain?
Egad [-\]: that sounds childish, but if you insist
LoLPro [7k\]: m5
JoseQi [4k\]: thou shalt not whine
Zvi [-\]: lol
Sbtnight [9k?\]: im suggesting you should be banned for trolling
]
;W[kn]WL[309.343]C[Egad [-\]: i've been banned for less
sentra [1d\]: m6 is weird
ma5k [1k\]: or at least spa,ked
Squiggles [2d\]: run afoul of bigdoug eh?
ma5k [1k\]: spanked
Zvi [-\]: egad, might aswell join the other games and complain
]
;B[mp]BL[431.095]C[Zvi [-\]: childish is better then troll
maicho [5k\]: w dead or not?
Squiggles [2d\]: ko
Squiggles [2d\]: at t2
maicho [5k\]: ok
Zvi [-\]: white will t2 now, i think
maicho [5k\]: y see
ratsbag [2d\]: its the ole mannen ko
]
;W[sr]WL[274.095]C[Toponovich [6k\]: for sure breakfast write in his blog that he wins all 30m simul games... :P
TenJack [14k?\]: good call
breakfast [3p\]: T3 
asdfzcxv: ควย
breakfast [3p\]: better to skip it
breakfast [3p\]: 10-thousand years ko
Aveliokun [4d\]: yeah
breakfast [3p\]: cannot kill me anyway
breakfast [3p\]: B was still ahead, I believe
]
(;B[sq]BL[424.632]C[LoLPro [7k\]: t4
Squiggles [2d\]: r1?
Zvi [-\]: thanks
]
;W[so]WL[255.831]C[Squiggles [2d\]: ahh
Kayres [1k\]: cool
tyuile: m6 helps the cut prevail
go123go [10k\]: ko?
]
;B[ss]BL[412.581]C[Zvi [-\]: hm, is this seki ?
Squiggles [2d\]: alive
Kayres [1k\]: seki
Kayres [1k\]: if he wants
Kayres [1k\]: seki in sente for w
]
;W[qs]WL[237.009]C[Matt [6k\]: q7 in trouble i think
Squiggles [2d\]: well only if black makes it a seki now
Kayres [1k\]: right
learngofan [-\]: or 3 billions years ko
Zvi [-\]: he should
go123go [10k\]: it can be seki or ko
Matt [6k\]: only temp seki, if b doesnt react
]
;B[dl]BL[390.908]C[mkeller [5k\]: still a huge ko
plume [2k\]: t6 weakenibg Q7
]
;W[gm]WL[229.368]C[Squiggles [2d\]: this is bigger
]
;B[hl]BL[389.025]C[Zvi [-\]: dangerous for white
Squiggles [2d\]: at the moment
Kayres [1k\]: w solved this very elegantly
mkeller [5k\]: not solved yet
Squiggles [2d\]: how dangerous for white ?
Squiggles [2d\]: white is alive
Squiggles [2d\]: just a matter of points now
]
;W[go]WL[208.369]C[Zvi [-\]: if white choose to live and not to seki
]
;B[fn]BL[386.758]C[Zvi [-\]: he threats ending dead
Squiggles [2d\]: oh
Squiggles [2d\]: misunderstood
Squiggles [2d\]: what you were saying
]
;W[nk]WL[192.358]C[Squiggles [2d\]: black should add a move here
]
;B[oj]BL[374.083]C[Squiggles [2d\]: for sure
]
;W[rk]WL[182.302]C[tyuile: get a life losers
go123go [10k\]: yose already?
Zvi [-\]: lol
Kinnikuman: อย่าบอกนะว่า
]
;B[ll]BL[365.137]C[Squiggles [2d\]: black is dreaming with this
tyuile: sorry that was my friend
]
;W[km]WL[155.015]
;B[nj]BL[361.958]C[KungFuBo [5k\]: nice friend
Egad [-\]: i cant believe you would have a friend like that
traindope [1k\]: dont lie kid
Egad [-\]: makes me question your judgement
go123go [10k\]: hane is fine here
TenJack [14k?\]: heh, "what are friends for", right? :-\\
]
;W[mj]WL[132.329]C[Squiggles [2d\]: now P9 is sente though
]
;B[qh]BL[348.076]
;W[qg]WL[124.785]
;B[qi]BL[345.722]C[go123go [10k\]: ko threat for black
]
;W[sn]WL[105.972]C[Squiggles [2d\]: wow
]
;B[sh]BL[340.26]C[Squiggles [2d\]: risky this way
suiram [3k\]: b lost
mkeller [5k\]: lol
Zvi [-\]: this is painful
Squiggles [2d\]: ko at q13
tyuile: how often do you play?
Squiggles [2d\]: or just connect
Squiggles [2d\]: t13
Blind0ne [7k\]: ohh white need time 11
]
;W[sg]WL[71.936]
;B[rg]BL[338.085]C[tyuile: n5
tyuile: n9
Zvi [-\]: m12 
Zvi [-\]: h nvm
go123go [10k\]: n5?
Zvi [-\]: sorry
Squiggles [2d\]: no big threats
]
;W[lh]WL[31.072]C[Zvi [-\]: meh
]
;B[hg]BL[334.252]
;W[rh]WL[28.055]C[Zvi [-\]: woah
sentra [1d\]: this is really small
Zvi [-\]: that wasn't that big
Squiggles [2d\]: black has a ton of local threats
]
;B[cg]BL[317.3]C[Squiggles [2d\]: maybe he's counting on that
Squiggles [2d\]: wth
Squiggles [2d\]: this isn't big enough
]
;W[si]WL[22.151]C[traindope [1k\]: ...
Genotive [3k\]: gg
Squiggles [2d\]: for the whole group?!
tyuile: i dont ha  
tyuile:  
tyuile:  
tyuile:  
mkeller [5k\]: ouch
tyuile:  
tyuile:  
tyuile:  
Katoan [2k\]: oh my...
]
;B[sj]BL[302.532]C[Squiggles [2d\]: how silly
go123go [10k\]: OMB
Zvi [-\]: t12 seem to work
Squiggles [2d\]: still issue at Q13
maicho [5k\]: dificult life for B
Squiggles [2d\]: Q13 might be enough to live
go123go [10k\]: q13 now
Squiggles [2d\]: and the P9 sente
]
;W[rm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[sh]BL[292.337]C[go123go [10k\]: unexpected
Squiggles [2d\]: this works too
Squiggles [2d\]: can give up Q12 probably
]
;W[rg]WL[60]OW[5]C[Squiggles [2d\]: but it's an eye or another ko in gote now
]
;B[pg]BL[288.28]
;W[pf]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[og]BL[286.835]C[sentra [1d\]: b should t2
]
;W[of]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[oh]BL[285.266]C[Matt [6k\]: r14  another ko
Squiggles [2d\]: cha
Zvi [-\]: p11 no good ?
Eburg [1k\]: t2? only seki
Squiggles [2d\]: no
Squiggles [2d\]: too slow
Blind0ne [7k\]: double ko?
Vinicius [2d\]: not double ko
go123go [10k\]: uhm sennen ko?
Blind0ne [7k\]: noooooo
anil [2k\]: p11?
Blind0ne [7k\]: sorry
]
;W[rd]WL[60]OW[5]C[go123go [10k\]: ko?
Matt [6k\]: now ko ^^
Zvi [-\]: trying to prevent r14 option ?
Zvi [-\]: oh
Zvi [-\]: make r14 ;/
mkeller [5k\]: r14 ko is a lot bigger now
Vinicius [2d\]: now it is double ko
]
;B[qe]BL[241.222]C[Zvi [-\]: s17 not enough ?
go123go [10k\]: no ko :(
]
;W[qf]WL[60]OW[5]C[Squiggles [2d\]: P9
Squiggles [2d\]: hmm
plume [2k\]: b in distress
]
;B[ni]BL[221.832]C[Squiggles [2d\]: white can sac that
Squiggles [2d\]: maybe
LoLPro [7k\]: b M14
Blind0ne [7k\]: T17
GoRoGoRo [7k\]: hi rainerle
Genotive [3k\]: t15?
mkeller [5k\]: t17 big threat for w now
Blind0ne [7k\]: for white
Matt [6k\]: q11 
ratsbag [2d\]: s16???
]
;W[pi]WL[60]OW[5]C[TenJack [14k?\]: why can't b simply n18?
]
;B[ok]BL[215.577]C[Zvi [-\]: he can't dousn't need to yet
Squiggles [2d\]: R8 to follow ?
TenJack [14k?\]: ah
Zvi [-\]: doesnt
rainerle [6k\]: hi rasiner
Zvi [-\]: he can** sorry
]
;W[mk]WL[60]OW[5]C[Zvi [-\]: man, that sentence was wrong :p
Squiggles [2d\]: yeah R8 i think
TenJack [14k?\]: lol it's ok
tyuile: whites done in the upper right
Genotive [3k\]: not done
dumbo: alive
Genotive [3k\]: w got t15
Squiggles [2d\]: yeah decent little yose
Squiggles [2d\]: but R18 is ddea
mkeller [5k\]: t15 gote 
Kayres [1k\]: b13 biggggg
Squiggles [2d\]: T15 sente at the right time
mkeller [5k\]: or ko
suiram [3k\]: b13 huge
Kayres [1k\]: how big is b13?
Genotive [3k\]: t15 not gote
Kayres [1k\]: 15-20?
Zvi [-\]: b13 pretty huge i guess
Squiggles [2d\]: white will end this sequence in sente
Egad [-\]: W almost out of time again
sentra [1d\]: t15 another huge ko
Squiggles [2d\]: so he will get it
Zvi [-\]: like this |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Squiggles [2d\]: t15 not even ko
Squiggles [2d\]: black can just extend
gravity123 [2k?\]: huge ^^
Egad [-\]: he would be better off playing these games one at a time
Kayres [1k\]: word
LoLPro [7k\]: b T8
LoLPro [7k\]: then R8
sentra [1d\]: w atari at q19 after t15
plume [2k\]: t17 not a threat for w, b takes t13
Zvi [-\]: ah cool
sentra [1d\]: so it's a huge ko
Zvi [-\]: then ko
Zvi [-\]: yes didn't see it
Squiggles [2d\]: wait what?
Blind0ne [7k\]: what about white S18
Squiggles [2d\]: oh
Vinicius [2d\]: b dead here anyway
Zvi [-\]: t15 s17 q19 t16 p19 t14 
Squiggles [2d\]: yeah yeah got it
asdfzcxv: กากวะ
Squiggles [2d\]: sorry i'm testy today :/
Toponovich [6k\]: black C17 and game over
MrSmithVP [1k\]: t17 works?
Kayres [1k\]: c17 never going to work
Kinnikuman: = = 
Zvi [-\]: woah , 250 observers
Genotive [3k\]: 250 only?
Zvi [-\]: it's quite alot
asdfzcxv: เล่นโอเทลโล่กันเรอะ
Genotive [3k\]: you should try 1000 viewers
Bubarik [1k\]: b cant start ko with s17, white will p19 and THAT ko will be huge
Aveliokun [4d\]: TXS
Kinnikuman: รีวิวๆ
Toponovich [6k\]: whole KGS and Aveliokun family here
Sbtnight [9k?\]: Ive seen a game with over 1000 obervers, but that was months ago
breakfast [3p\]: thx
Kinnikuman: รีไซน์ทำเห้ไรวะ
Zvi [-\]: lol
Kayres [1k\]: oh :(
asdfzcxv: อ่อน
Kinnikuman: แต้มเมิงนำนะไอสาส
breakfast [3p\]: was a good game for B
Zvi [-\]: gg
breakfast [3p\]: nice fuseki
])
(;B[dl]C[Kinnikuman: โคะพันปีเหี้ยราย
Aveliokun [4d\]: I felt the same
breakfast [3p\]: see you again!
Kinnikuman: กุเล่นวันเดียวก้จบละ
Aveliokun [4d\]: thanks
Kinnikuman: เอ้า
Kinnikuman: รีวิวแค่นี้เลอะ
Kinnikuman: รูนี่ก็รีวิวได้
asdfzcxv: ไปเล่นหมากเก็บไป
grooviest [5k\]: always so nice and friendly and informative
mapuche27 [4k\]: 10 thousand years ko????? I hope live for see who win the ko fight
mapuche27 [4k\]: =P
]))
(;B[qp]C[breakfast [3p\]: just kill these 2
breakfast [3p\]: lot of points
breakfast [3p\]: and very thick move
Aveliokun [4d\]: here
asdfzcxv: โม้
Aveliokun [4d\]: before
breakfast [3p\]: helps your group
Aveliokun [4d\]: move 103
Kinnikuman: แหมะ
]))
(;B[qp]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: R3
Aveliokun [4d\]: now?
])
(;B[qq]C[breakfast [3p\]: yes
]
;W[qr]
;B[rq]C[breakfast [3p\]: it's big
breakfast [3p\]: and solid
Kinnikuman: คนไหนคนไทย จะรู้ได้ไง
breakfast [3p\]: will be a good game for you
Aveliokun [4d\]: I felt frustrated here
]))
