(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[-20.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[roln111]PB[ClemGo]WR[8d]BR[1k]DT[2011-01-29]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[ClemGo [1k\]: hi
ClemGo [1k\]: have fun
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1787.604]C[roln111 [8d\]: hi, have a nice game
]
;W[dp]WL[1784.122]
;B[pq]BL[1779.212]
;W[dd]WL[1745.113]
;B[pk]BL[1775.034]
;W[mq]WL[1739.501]
;B[po]BL[1610.637]
;W[jq]WL[1615.817]
;B[fc]BL[1562.695]
;W[cf]WL[1565.268]
;B[jd]BL[1555.292]
;W[qf]WL[1563.068]
;B[qe]BL[1462.034]
;W[pf]WL[1553.544]
;B[nd]BL[1459.138]
;W[pi]WL[1550.53]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ok, i mean it was to keep w right group on attack and defending q7 cut same time  but....you are a 8d
roln111 [8d\]: but actually you dont need to defend there right now
]
(;B[nk]BL[1380.092]C[roln111 [8d\]: strange move
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
]
;W[qm]WL[1528.125]
;B[rk]BL[1033.753]
;W[ol]WL[1493.164]C[ClemGo [1k\]: s9 is a good choice ???
]
(;B[pl]BL[922.954]C[roln111 [8d\]: this cut let white to settle easly
]
;W[pm]WL[1457.198]
;B[om]BL[910.188]
;W[on]WL[1455.165]
;B[nm]BL[908.448]C[ClemGo [1k\]: in fact in chinese fuseki i never see q11, always r11 then bs10 easy variation to attack upper right w group, but here i didn't find the follow up
]
;W[pn]WL[1438.185]
;B[qo]BL[845.201]
;W[oo]WL[1400.541]C[Targund [-\]: тщц
Targund [-\]: now
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
roln111 [8d\]: white couldnt invade to the corner anyway
roln111 [8d\]: so no need to defend it
]
(;B[rf]BL[774.692]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ok i didn't know that
]
;W[rg]WL[1395.9]C[ClemGo [1k\]: is s14 to early ?
]
;B[re]BL[772.766]C[Targund [-\]: o14 ,
Targund [-\]: ?
]
;W[rn]WL[1388.113]
;B[ro]BL[769.079]
;W[oq]WL[1372.661]
;B[pr]BL[761.756]
;W[so]WL[1368.664]
;B[sp]BL[743.534]
;W[sn]WL[1367.615]
;B[rq]BL[741.514]TR[pf]C[ClemGo [1k\]: for me against a 8d, w can make life in corner easy ;)
Targund [-\]: he will
Targund [-\]: but q14 will be in trouble
Targund [-\]: in serious
ClemGo [1k\]: yes
roln111 [8d\]: you know when this group is weak white cant invade
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
Targund [-\]: Ilya
roln111 [8d\]: because it usually dies then
Targund [-\]: about c13 
Targund [-\]: what was right move in such position?
ClemGo [1k\]: yes c13 surprise me
]
;W[qj]WL[1366.144]
;B[qk]BL[672.546]
;W[mi]WL[1308.338]
;B[pj]BL[573.919]
;W[qi]WL[1191.906]
;B[oi]BL[406.247]
;W[oh]WL[1180.51]
;B[ni]BL[404.752]
;W[nh]WL[1177.335]
;B[mj]BL[403.588]
;W[li]WL[1167.276]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ok
]
(;B[ld]BL[374.73]C[ClemGo [1k\]: in result i mean
roln111 [8d\]: its passive
]
;W[cn]WL[1119.675]
(;B[dr]BL[353.162]C[ClemGo [1k\]: should i play moves like p11 to make life for b group ??
roln111 [8d\]: this is wrong invasion
ClemGo [1k\]: p11, à11 ets
ClemGo [1k\]: etc
ClemGo [1k\]: arf, why wrong here ?
roln111 [8d\]: because of the variant which we played
roln111 [8d\]: its too good for white
]
;W[fr]WL[1116.114]C[roln111 [8d\]: well you see
roln111 [8d\]: if white can play here
roln111 [8d\]: then its bad for black
]
;B[cq]BL[262.925]
;W[cp]WL[1113.166]
;B[br]BL[181.199]
;W[fp]WL[1102.455]
;B[bp]BL[108.496]
;W[bo]WL[1093.855]C[ClemGo [1k\]: yes, f2 big problem, is w stone on bottom like k3 necessary to play f2 variation ?
roln111 [8d\]: this group is not even alive
Targund [-\]: and this is gote... or ko\\
roln111 [8d\]: yeah
ClemGo [1k\]: Ilya ?
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
]
(;B[cg]BL[60]OB[5]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ok
Targund [-\]: here
Targund [-\]: was it better?
Targund [-\]: or d10 ?
ClemGo [1k\]: b14 b after w d14 ??
Targund [-\]: n12 ))
Targund [-\]: b should aim here
Targund [-\]: plaing left side
roln111 [8d\]: this move is ok
]
(;W[dg]WL[1084.655]C[Targund [-\]: f15 ?
]
;B[ch]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bf]WL[1082.413]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hc]WL[1077.302]
(;B[jc]BL[60]OB[5]C[roln111 [8d\]: this move made everything simple for white
]
;W[gd]WL[1070.462]
;B[eg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[dh]WL[1062.212]
;B[di]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[eh]WL[1059.325]
;B[fh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[df]WL[1058.407]
;B[fi]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ib]WL[1056.612]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: тупняк какой то
]
;B[jb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ja]WL[1055.042]
;B[ka]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ia]WL[1053.42]
;B[kb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ap]WL[1041.545]C[Targund [-\]: если ч ненайдет способа хорошенько прижать m11 , будет плёха...
Targund [-\]: а прижать сложно, там в 2 стороны бежать можно...
CrusaderGo [3k\]: ч уже проиграли
Targund [-\]: ну ты уж прям...)
]
;B[aq]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bq]WL[1037.87]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ...yes huge corner
]
;B[dc]BL[60]OB[5]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: кстати оно жило бы и без ко
]
;W[cc]WL[1027.279]
;B[bp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[mm]WL[1012.538]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: а завязывать ко в тюбане, это плохо за ч
]
(;B[ok]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bq]WL[1010.11]
;B[ed]BL[60]OB[5]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: или яя не прав?
]
;W[fe]WL[948.014]C[Targund [-\]: смотря что ч стремится получить...
]
;B[bp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ml]WL[945.287]C[ClemGo [1k\]: and less threats after
]
;B[nl]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bq]WL[943.444]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: например?
]
;B[mk]BL[60]OB[5]C[ClemGo [1k\]: because here i need one more move to make life
roln111 [8d\]: black shouldnt play here
ClemGo [1k\]: i totaly fail these moves
roln111 [8d\]: but well
]
;W[ar]WL[931.437]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: например ничего)
woodyy [3d\]: ну например чёрные выжили) на этом ко)
]
(;B[ck]BL[60]OB[5]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: они и жили
woodyy [3d\]: нет
woodyy [3d\]: хотя от ко не зависило))
CrusaderGo [3k\]: да жило и так
]
;W[cd]WL[876.616]C[woodyy [3d\]: без n9  не жило)
]
;B[mh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[oe]WL[872.982]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: это уже мелочи)
]
;B[mg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[od]WL[869.837]
;B[oc]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pc]WL[866.172]
;B[qc]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nc]WL[861.36]
;B[pb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[md]WL[855.774]C[Targund [-\]: если убьет, догонит б...
CrusaderGo [3k\]: врядли
Targund [-\]: ну как то пока б убивает)
woodyy [3d\]: как ? б просто жертвуют n16 o17 и всё
CrusaderGo [3k\]: возможно
]
;B[ne]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[nf]WL[851.645]
;B[me]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mf]WL[850.16]
;B[le]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[lg]WL[849.086]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: да,ты прав
Targund [-\]: мде
]
;B[mn]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ln]WL[827.039]C[woodyy [3d\]: у белых слишком много что бы мучаться ))
]
;B[lj]BL[60]OB[3]C[Targund [-\]: n15 за ч нужно было
]
;W[ki]WL[822.514]C[Targund [-\]: и бороться
]
;B[nn]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mo]WL[811.194]
;B[no]BL[60]OB[3]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: m5 
CrusaderGo [3k\]: блин
]
;W[np]WL[805.198]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: он вооще не думает
]
;B[lo]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ko]WL[803.429]
;B[mp]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[lp]WL[801.794]C[Targund [-\]: он уже сдался, похоже
Targund [-\]: морально
]
;B[lm]BL[60]OB[3]C[CrusaderGo [3k\]: мдя
ClemGo [1k\]: should i resign ?
]
;W[mo]WL[787.735]
;B[km]BL[60]OB[3]C[roln111 [8d\]: as you want..
]
;W[bl]WL[742.073]
;B[cl]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[bk]WL[736.797]
;B[bj]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[cm]WL[733.562]
;B[ak]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[bm]WL[731.897]
;B[bg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ag]WL[710.336]
;B[ah]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[af]WL[657.974]
;B[bi]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[os]WL[624.955]
;B[pp]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[op]WL[534.923]
;B[em]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ps]WL[514.843]
;B[qs]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[or]WL[491.948]
;B[qr]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gm]WL[488.867]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gn]WL[479.88]
;B[jn]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[io]WL[472.712]
;B[gk]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gl]WL[469.609]
;B[fk]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[fg]WL[448.076]
;B[gg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ff]WL[446.969]
;B[jo]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jp]WL[444.321]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hn]WL[436.781]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[dm]WL[386.271]
;B[dl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[en]WL[383.596]
;B[hd]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[he]WL[381.124]
;B[ic]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hb]WL[376.33]
;B[lf]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ng]WL[372.363]
;B[ie]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[id]WL[368.635]
;B[kg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[kh]WL[366.359]
;B[rh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[sg]WL[357.292]
;B[qh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ri]WL[355.019]
;B[sh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[qg]WL[351.396]C[ClemGo [1k\]: thx for the game
roln111 [8d\]: thanks
])
(;B[cd]C[roln111 [8d\]: you could try here now
]
;W[bd]
;B[de]
;W[cb]
;B[ee]
;W[ef]
;B[ce]C[roln111 [8d\]: probably alive
]
;W[be]
;B[db]
;W[fg]C[roln111 [8d\]: and sente
]
;B[ck]C[roln111 [8d\]: then its still playable
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
Ftsprt [1k\]: e18 ?
Ftsprt [1k\]: w
]))
(;B[ml]C[roln111 [8d\]: better to play here
roln111 [8d\]: to live
ClemGo [1k\]: yes
]))
(;B[hd]TR[ld]C[Targund [-\]: looks good
ClemGo [1k\]: can you show me a correct sequence here please ?
Targund [-\]: b still can start attack at n12 
roln111 [8d\]: because of this move
roln111 [8d\]: its not easy to live
]
;W[id]
;B[ie]
;W[ic]
;B[gd]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]
;W[kc]
;B[lc]
;W[gb]
;B[fb]
;W[kd]
;B[ke]
;W[jc]
;B[je]
;W[ib]C[Targund [-\]: c9 
Targund [-\]: d18 
Targund [-\]: n13 
roln111 [8d\]: but even if white does it
Targund [-\]: k11 
]
;B[cc]C[roln111 [8d\]: this is very painful
ClemGo [1k\]: yes...i give up to much here
roln111 [8d\]: now corner is not alive
]))
(;W[fd]C[roln111 [8d\]: here? why?
Targund [-\]: i mean for b))
]))
(;B[fe]C[ClemGo [1k\]: arf, for me it was not enough then i choose invade
ClemGo [1k\]: but maybe yes
])
(;B[dg]))
(;B[er]C[roln111 [8d\]: should be here
roln111 [8d\]: usually e2 is better
]
(;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]C[Targund [-\]: this move mean, that k3 is weak?
]
;B[hq]C[roln111 [8d\]: no its ok
ClemGo [1k\]: but here i have one problem with one e2 variation
ClemGo [1k\]: can i show you ?
])
(;W[dr]C[roln111 [8d\]: and if you didnt want it
]
(;B[dq]
;W[eq]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]C[ClemGo [1k\]: this one
]
;B[ep]C[Ftsprt [1k\]: fighte...
]
;W[fq]
;B[cp]
;W[do]
;B[fr]C[ClemGo [1k\]: i find b very weak here
]
;W[br]
;B[gq]
;W[fp]
;B[go]
;W[gp]
;B[hp]
;W[fo]
;B[fn]C[Targund [-\]: this is good for b
]
;W[eo]
;B[iq]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ok
roln111 [8d\]: standart variant
])
(;B[eq]C[roln111 [8d\]: play just here
]
;W[dq]
;B[hq]C[roln111 [8d\]: easy settle
ClemGo [1k\]: how can we choose between e2 and d2, depend on why ?
Targund [-\]: Ilya
ClemGo [1k\]: what sorry
Targund [-\]: is it possible to attack k3 ?
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
]))))
(;B[mg]
;W[mh]
;B[lg]C[roln111 [8d\]: could play more actiave
roln111 [8d\]: and attaxk
]))
(;B[nf]
;W[ni]
;B[lj]C[ClemGo [1k\]: i like your ideas Targund ;)
roln111 [8d\]: i expected something like o14 
]))
(;B[ok]C[roln111 [8d\]: yes
]
;W[on]C[ClemGo [1k\]: i didn't know what to do against r7
]
;B[np]C[ClemGo [1k\]: ok
]
;W[mm]
;B[mp]
;W[lq]
(;B[nf]
;W[ni]
;B[lk])
(;B[qh]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]C[roln111 [8d\]: should fight
])))
(;B[cn]C[roln111 [8d\]: better to play here
]
;W[fp]
;B[bp]
;W[cq]
;B[ck]C[roln111 [8d\]: would be normal fuseki
])
(;B[rj]C[roln111 [8d\]: same here
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
roln111 [8d\]: i showed already
ClemGo [1k\]: yes
]
;W[ri]
;B[qj]
;W[qi]
;B[nk]LB[rj:A]C[roln111 [8d\]: then you could play this move forst
ClemGo [1k\]: ok
roln111 [8d\]: now its not possible to invade
]))
