(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Fredda]PB[adoreme]WR[7d]DT[2010-04-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Fredda [7d?\]: Have a nice game!
adoreme [-\]: have a nice game
]RE[W+23.50]
;B[pd]BL[1791.093]C[Fredda [7d?\]: My streak of having W in this leauge continues =)
]
;W[dd]WL[1793.279]C[adoreme [-\]: mine just ended :)
]
;B[pq]BL[1778.044]C[Fredda [7d?\]: Last month I got W more then 75% of the games I think
]
;W[dp]WL[1776.976]
(;B[qk]BL[1775.034]
;W[mq]WL[1758.129]
(;B[po]BL[1687.601]C[adoreme [-\]: need to learn them :)
Fredda [7d?\]: well it's of course not bad
]
(;W[jq]WL[1714.787]C[adoreme [-\]: on cyberoro i love white, i always win within komi
Fredda [7d?\]: very peaceful way =)
Fredda [7d?\]: But personally I think W is easy to play
Fredda [7d?\]: cant be =)
Fredda [7d?\]: this is territorital
]
;B[cn]BL[1655.81]LB[bo:A][fp:B]C[Fredda [7d?\]: A or B is whites only options according to me
]
(;W[bo]WL[1697.112]C[Fredda [7d?\]: I see :)
Fredda [7d?\]: I also used to play on cyberoro
Fredda [7d?\]: what is your handle?
adoreme [-\]: same as here. i use the same name everywhere
adoreme [-\]: this was unexpected
Fredda [7d?\]: again basic pattern eh? =)
Fredda [7d?\]: ah really?
adoreme [-\]: yea
]
;B[bn]BL[1539.948]
;W[ck]WL[1652.159]
;B[cp]BL[1508.407]
;W[cq]WL[1650.46]C[adoreme [-\]: could*
]
;B[co]BL[1499.705]
;W[bq]WL[1648.025]
;B[ep]BL[1493.914]
(;W[eq]WL[1644.695]
;B[do]BL[1411.734]C[adoreme [-\]: well you cod hve pimcered
]
;W[fp]WL[1640.178]
;B[dq]BL[1409.93]
;W[dr]WL[1635.309]
;B[fo]BL[1400.663]
;W[dp]WL[1633.247]
(;B[eo]BL[1387.112]
;W[gp]WL[1629.404]C[adoreme [-\]: interesting. just learned something new
Fredda [7d?\]: here
Fredda [7d?\]: I would tenuki
]
(;B[ek]BL[1365.424]
;W[di]WL[1625.98]LB[di:B][ek:A]C[Fredda [7d?\]: A-B exchange is good for W
]
;B[fc]BL[1362.143]
;W[dc]WL[1621.203]
(;B[ic]BL[1357.669]
;W[fd]WL[1571.461]
;B[gd]BL[1338.012]
;W[ge]WL[1569.469]
;B[cf]BL[1329.708]C[Fredda [7d?\]: this made me so confused :D
adoreme [-\]: so sad
Fredda [7d?\]: if you wanna invade
adoreme [-\]: could not live though
Fredda [7d?\]: you should not play j17
]
(;W[gc]WL[1466.556]
;B[hd]BL[1307.172]
;W[dg]WL[1178.615]
;B[pf]BL[1208.529]
;W[pc]WL[1063.538]
;B[oc]BL[1171.683]
;W[ob]WL[996.863]
;B[qc]BL[1129.126]
;W[pb]WL[980.363]
;B[nc]BL[1114.238]
;W[qd]WL[955.081]
;B[qe]BL[1111.366]
;W[rd]WL[953.848]
;B[rc]BL[1109.908]
;W[od]WL[952.609]
;B[pe]BL[1107.666]
;W[rb]WL[951.898]
;B[re]BL[1105.609]
;W[qb]WL[948.09]
(;B[nb]BL[1083.607]C[Fredda [7d?\]: this is unacceptable for B =)
adoreme [-\]: here i am not familiar with the basic variations ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: just capture
]
;W[sc]WL[943.021]LB[od:A]C[adoreme [-\]: i thought giving up two stones was better
Fredda [7d?\]: w live in the corner with 8 points
Fredda [7d?\]: and yose left
Fredda [7d?\]: its too big
Fredda [7d?\]: also
]
;B[fe]BL[1081.956]C[Fredda [7d?\]: not completely dead
Fredda [7d?\]: and W dont have a weak group on the board
Fredda [7d?\]: with this kind of open moyo, hard to get enough
]
;W[ff]WL[917.04]
;B[ed]BL[1077.318]
;W[ee]WL[914.749]C[adoreme [-\]: hmhm
adoreme [-\]: i noticed
]
;B[ok]BL[1071.959]
;W[qp]WL[902.107]
;B[pp]BL[1010.515]
;W[fd]WL[887.91]
;B[if]BL[999.838]
;W[kh]WL[754.883]
;B[ih]BL[990.735]
;W[kj]WL[749.865]
;B[li]BL[985.822]
;W[ki]WL[669.577]
(;B[kl]BL[974.479]
;W[ij]WL[664.656]
;B[il]BL[964.288]C[Fredda [7d?\]: i dont get the purpose of your attacking moves..
Fredda [7d?\]: except for giving up territority =)
adoreme [-\]: now i count about 15 behind
Fredda [7d?\]: i thought maybe c14 can still live
Fredda [7d?\]: so i was a bit worried
adoreme [-\]: i was looking for a chance :)
]
;W[mg]WL[637.391]
;B[mo]BL[957.255]
;W[ni]WL[626.559]
;B[mk]BL[952.109]
;W[pi]WL[613.886]C[Fredda [7d?\]: you give up about 20 points here
Fredda [7d?\]: to take about 8 in o7 area
Fredda [7d?\]: and w is almost alive 0)
]
;B[me]BL[946.742]
;W[le]WL[594.921]C[silver2k4 [2d?\]: its two times proper :)
]
;B[ld]BL[942.32]
;W[ke]WL[592.743]
;B[kd]BL[941.138]
;W[mf]WL[591.212]
;B[ne]BL[922.675]
(;W[qq]WL[542.787]
;B[qo]BL[916.751]
;W[pr]WL[507.213]
;B[or]BL[914.504]
(;W[rr]WL[505.827]C[Fredda [7d?\]: i didnt wanna live here
Fredda [7d?\]: because i thought even if u kill me im ahead
Fredda [7d?\]: =)
adoreme [-\]: hehehe
adoreme [-\]: then dont play there :P
Fredda [7d?\]: i just wanted to look for a chance to solidify upperleft
Fredda [7d?\]: while playing ko
Fredda [7d?\]: as that is my last worry
]
;B[ps]BL[911.834]
;W[qs]WL[504.568]
;B[qr]BL[910.107]
;W[je]WL[453.918]
;B[fe]BL[896.68]
;W[jd]WL[288.665]
;B[jc]BL[832.325]C[Fredda [7d?\]: here you lose common sense =)
Fredda [7d?\]: sorry if rude :P
Fredda [7d?\]: but
adoreme [-\]: ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: i thought it was very annoying that u didnt connect f16 earlier
Fredda [7d?\]: because ko is remaining
Fredda [7d?\]: so now u must fight this ko
Fredda [7d?\]: last chance for victory
]
;W[fd]WL[285.708]
(;B[gb]BL[780.856]
;W[ec]WL[277.786]
;B[fb]BL[775.113]
;W[he]WL[269.297]
;B[ei]BL[765.384]
;W[dj]WL[260.545]
;B[gk]BL[761.238]
;W[pr]WL[256.011]
;B[os]BL[758.94]
;W[ro]WL[253.164]
;B[rn]BL[753.914]
;W[rp]WL[252.247]
;B[qr]BL[751.639]
;W[rs]WL[250.905]
;B[sq]BL[748.466]
;W[sr]WL[248.652]C[danigabi [5d\]: ? lol
]
;B[ak]BL[742.27]
;W[al]WL[238.527]
;B[bl]BL[736.129]
;W[aj]WL[236.643]
;B[am]BL[733.252]
;W[bj]WL[235.224]
;B[ca]BL[731.254]
;W[cb]WL[232.053]
;B[da]BL[728.192]C[Fredda [7d?\]: not big yet =)
Fredda [7d?\]: but
]
(;W[gi]WL[226.402]C[Fredda [7d?\]: maybe greedy
adoreme [-\]: this was miss ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: i didnt expect u to get such a result on bottom
]
;B[bb]BL[723.761]
;W[bc]WL[224.888]
;B[fi]BL[717.576]
;W[gh]WL[212.544]
;B[eg]BL[706.927]
;W[df]WL[209.929]
;B[fg]BL[703.662]
;W[gg]WL[207.33]
;B[id]BL[701.532]
;W[ie]WL[205.389]
;B[iq]BL[697.951]C[adoreme [-\]: fight i can make trouble
]
(;W[ip]WL[200.4]C[Fredda [7d?\]: yes
]
;B[jp]BL[684.761]C[Fredda [7d?\]: sharp
adoreme [-\]: last chance :)
Fredda [7d?\]: yeah
Fredda [7d?\]: how to resist..
]
;W[ir]WL[85.909]
;B[hq]BL[662.044]
;W[hr]WL[67.928]
;B[hp]BL[656.462]
;W[ho]WL[49.214]
;B[io]BL[649.669]
;W[gq]WL[47.534]
;B[ip]BL[648.661]
(;W[go]WL[46.486]
;B[kq]BL[646.572]
;W[jr]WL[45.359]
;B[kr]BL[645.33]
;W[kp]WL[44.281]
;B[ko]BL[621.72]
;W[lp]WL[41.003]
;B[ls]BL[614.963]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[612.88]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ea]BL[610.297]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gl]BL[599.716]
;W[hm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[cl]BL[597.136]
(;W[ll]WL[30]OW[2]C[adoreme [-\]: yea
]
(;B[lk]BL[502.951]
;W[km]WL[30]OW[2]C[Fredda [7d?\]: in byoyomi..
Fredda [7d?\]: had no time to decide if l7 directly or m8
Fredda [7d?\]: and i was not sure how much im ahead
Fredda [7d?\]: so tried the more tricky
]
;B[lm]BL[489.693]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[2]C[adoreme [-\]: depends on how the endgame and here goes
]
;B[lo]BL[486.352]
;W[ln]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[mn]BL[461.704]
;W[mm]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[jn]BL[453.168]C[Fredda [7d?\]: yes
]
;W[jm]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[im]BL[448.134]
;W[jl]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[nm]BL[443.309]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[2]
(;B[ml]BL[439.671]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[dl]BL[437.89]
;W[qj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[rk]BL[432.589]
;W[qg]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lm]BL[426.493]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ms]BL[372.059]
;W[pr]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[oq]BL[365.368]
;W[sn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[rm]BL[353.243]
;W[na]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ma]BL[346.11]
;W[oa]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[mb]BL[343.976]
;W[gj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[fk]BL[341.187]
;W[bp]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[mi]BL[337.045]
;W[nh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[gn]BL[310.493]
;W[gm]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[fm]BL[308.653]
;W[rj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lh]BL[298.667]
;W[lg]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[rg]BL[288.951]
;W[rh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[sg]BL[285.675]
;W[sh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[se]BL[283.684]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ac]BL[254.349]
;W[ad]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ba]BL[236.196]
;W[ab]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[og]BL[216.427]
;W[oh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ng]BL[213.17]
;W[oj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[pk]BL[193.358]
;W[nj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[sm]BL[177.049]
;W[so]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[hk]BL[173.242]
;W[hj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[kk]BL[171.258]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[nl]BL[169.418]
;W[bk]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[nf]BL[163.242]
;W[hn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[fn]BL[161.05]
;W[ks]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lr]BL[158.978]
;W[sk]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[sl]BL[157.001]
;W[sj]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[qf]BL[155.345]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ao]BL[143.007]
;W[ap]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[an]BL[141.733]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[db]BL[138.105]
;W[cc]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[dq]BL[121.819]
;W[er]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[dp]BL[119.871]
;W[al]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[qr]BL[116.784]
;W[ak]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[pr]BL[115.632]
;W[mh]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lj]BL[112.953]
;W[ac]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[fa]BL[110.546]
;W[]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[]BL[110.545]TW[pa][qa][ra][sa][sb][qc][rc][bd][cd][ed][ae][be][ce][de][fe][af][bf][cf][gf][hf][if][jf][kf][lf][ag][bg][cg][hg][ig][jg][kg][ah][bh][ch][hh][ih][jh][ph][qh][ai][bi][ci][hi][ii][ji][oi][qi][ri][si][cj][jj][il][im][sp][aq][fq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][fr][gr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][ss]TB[ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][gc][hc][kc][lc][mc][md][nd][od][oe][of][rf][sf][el][fl][ll][ol][pl][ql][rl][bm][cm][dm][em][mm][om][pm][qm][dn][en][nn][on][pn][qn][no][oo][kp][lp][mp][np][op][lq][mq][nq][mr][nr][ns]C[adoreme [-\]: thanks
Fredda [7d?\]: thanks!
adoreme [-\]: what a porr endgame i have :(
adoreme [-\]: poor*
Fredda [7d?\]: hehe
Fredda [7d?\]: not that bad
Fredda [7d?\]: main mistakes are before
])
(;B[ri])
(;B[oh]
;W[oi]C[adoreme [-\]: but i lost too much :)
]
;B[ri]C[Fredda [7d?\]: like this is big
]
;W[nl]
;B[ml]
;W[lm]
;B[om]C[Fredda [7d?\]: no problem here
adoreme [-\]: ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: you played well
Fredda [7d?\]: just a little soft on upperleft
adoreme [-\]: thanks for the review
Fredda [7d?\]: thanks for nice game
adoreme [-\]: 3 more chances against a lef :)
adoreme [-\]: left*
Fredda [7d?\]: yeah =)
Fredda [7d?\]: hope i was not rude in review :P
adoreme [-\]: i can take criticism :)
adoreme [-\]: ask dani
Fredda [7d?\]: ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: its good
Fredda [7d?\]: i think getting critizied is the best way to learn
adoreme [-\]: how else would you learn what is bad? ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: yeah :)
Fredda [7d?\]: at least for dan players
Fredda [7d?\]: kyu players needs to be complimentet as well :)
adoreme [-\]: hehehe
adoreme [-\]: i eat kyu players
Fredda [7d?\]: :D
Fredda [7d?\]: ok see you next time ~~
adoreme [-\]: see you
]
;W[hb]C[Fredda [7d?\]: the rest is just yose ^
]))
(;B[lm]C[Fredda [7d?\]: did you consider this?
adoreme [-\]: yes
adoreme [-\]: but i thought otherway was better but i misread :)
Fredda [7d?\]: ah ok =)
Fredda [7d?\]: kgs kick me out >.<
adoreme [-\]: hm looks like nothing yea
]
(;W[lk]
;B[ml]C[adoreme [-\]: new update gives me problems to
Fredda [7d?\]: kind of close
Fredda [7d?\]: but w is enough
adoreme [-\]: cant you try n8 first?
])
(;W[ml]
;B[lk]C[Fredda [7d?\]: i dont think so
])))
(;W[km]
;B[lm]
(;W[ll]
;B[jm]C[Fredda [7d?\]: also nothing
])
(;W[kn]
;B[lo]
;W[ln]
;B[mn]
;W[ll]
;B[mm]
;W[jl]
;B[jn]
;W[jm]C[Fredda [7d?\]: like this best for w i guess
])))
(;W[kq]
;B[go]
;W[lo]C[Fredda [7d?\]: probably like this
Fredda [7d?\]: is better
adoreme [-\]: not enough for b
Fredda [7d?\]: i got too greedy yet again
Fredda [7d?\]: yes
Fredda [7d?\]: considering i got about 10~ at j12
Fredda [7d?\]: and sente at bottom
Fredda [7d?\]: i think result is equal
]))
(;W[hq]C[Fredda [7d?\]: maybe here?
adoreme [-\]: maybe better
]))
(;W[go]C[Fredda [7d?\]: w is already good on territority
Fredda [7d?\]: no need to go for more..
]))
(;B[iq]C[Fredda [7d?\]: can start here for example
]
;W[ip]
;B[fe]C[Fredda [7d?\]: if b win this ko
]
;W[jp]
;B[fd]C[Fredda [7d?\]: this will be sente
]
;W[df]C[Fredda [7d?\]: then
Fredda [7d?\]: K15 is wasted move
]
;B[rs]C[Fredda [7d?\]: so you can come back here
adoreme [-\]: hehehe
Fredda [7d?\]: and you got the whole top
Fredda [7d?\]: so fighting this ko is really important
Fredda [7d?\]: it's really the last battlefield of this game
Fredda [7d?\]: so i was very happy when u just retreat :)
adoreme [-\]: ^^
]))
(;W[qr]
;B[nq]
;W[ro]
;B[rn]
;W[rp]C[Fredda [7d?\]: i wonder if its better
Fredda [7d?\]: because i dont really have any kothreats =)
adoreme [-\]: i thought this would be better for you
]))
(;W[ec]C[Fredda [7d?\]: i thought about here
Fredda [7d?\]: but maybe u can kill r4 in sente
Fredda [7d?\]: hmm sente seems hard
]
;B[or]C[Fredda [7d?\]: but this is big
]))
(;B[jp]C[Fredda [7d?\]: can start from here
]
;W[iq]
;B[kq]
;W[kr]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]
;B[mg]C[Fredda [7d?\]: then take some territority
Fredda [7d?\]: and while w runs
Fredda [7d?\]: look to solidfy either lowerright corner or perhaps get a chance to livet with c14
adoreme [-\]: hmhm
Fredda [7d?\]: its the proper way of attacking probably
]
;W[ij]
;B[gi]))
(;B[sd]
;W[mc]
;B[nb]
;W[mb]
;B[nd]
;W[na]
;B[md]
;W[ld]
;B[nf]
;W[kc]
;B[fe]
;W[ff]
;B[ed]
;W[ee]
;B[if]C[Fredda [7d?\]: much better then the game
]))
(;W[dg]C[Fredda [7d?\]: hmm
Fredda [7d?\]: perhaps can live
]
;B[df]
;W[ef]
;B[bh]
;W[bi]
;B[ch]
;W[ci]
;B[bd]
;W[bc]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
(;B[de]C[adoreme [-\]: i think very hard because my reading still 5k ^^
Fredda [7d?\]: not that easy to kill
]
;W[ee])
(;B[dh]
;W[eh]
;B[de]
;W[ee]
;B[be]
;W[gc]
;B[hd]
(;W[gb])
(;W[nc]C[Fredda [7d?\]: maybe like this
]))))
(;B[cf]C[Fredda [7d?\]: but if u wanna invade, u should do it now
])
(;B[fe]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]
;W[ef]
;B[jd]C[Fredda [7d?\]: like this is also playable
Fredda [7d?\]: w alot of cash but
Fredda [7d?\]: b can make a nice moyo
]))
(;B[fc]C[adoreme [-\]: hehe maybe too cautious
]
;W[df]
;B[db]
;W[cc]
;B[ic]
;W[fl]
;B[hn]C[Fredda [7d?\]: just run
Fredda [7d?\]: w is low on bottom
Fredda [7d?\]: no real attacking power
Fredda [7d?\]: and still b4 there
Fredda [7d?\]: group is almost living
]))
(;B[go]C[Fredda [7d?\]: you can consider this
]
;W[eo]
;B[en]C[Fredda [7d?\]: if w tenuki G4 is very powerful
]
;W[ep]LB[hq:A][iq:B]C[adoreme [-\]: hm i see
Fredda [7d?\]: now A and B are remaining
]))
(;W[dq]
;B[en]C[Fredda [7d?\]: you expect this?
adoreme [-\]: this joseki i know
adoreme [-\]: just recently read it
Fredda [7d?\]: also ok 
]
;W[eo]
;B[fo]
;W[do]
;B[fm]
;W[gn]
;B[fn]
;W[el]
;B[dn]
(;W[fr])
(;W[gq]C[Fredda [7d?\]: something like this
]
(;B[gk])
(;B[hp]))))
(;W[fp]
;B[ck]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[ch]C[Fredda [7d?\]: tasteless game :)
])
(;W[cl]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]C[adoreme [-\]: c8
]
;B[cp]
;W[do]
;B[bn]
;W[em]C[Fredda [7d?\]: then
Fredda [7d?\]: K3 should be K4
Fredda [7d?\]: whites shape is not ideal
adoreme [-\]: says the book :)
]))
(;W[jp]C[adoreme [-\]: but higher yes
Fredda [7d?\]: so if W wanna pincer he should play here
]))
(;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[mo]C[Fredda [7d?\]: like this B is aiming for more
adoreme [-\]: i though to keep to basic patterns at the moment 
Fredda [7d?\]: ah I see :)
]))
(;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[qk]C[Fredda [7d?\]: If you want to play the chinese opening
Fredda [7d?\]: It's better to do it this way
Fredda [7d?\]: This is the most popular opening pattern for professionals nowadays
]
;W[eq]
;B[fp]
;W[jp]
;B[mp]
;W[hp]
;B[fm]C[Fredda [7d?\]: did you see it?
]
;W[dm]C[adoreme [-\]: no :) not familiar with it 
Fredda [7d?\]: very complicated
adoreme [-\]: but soon enough
]))
