(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[HappyLook]WR[3p]BR[5d]DT[2012-10-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[HappyLook [5d\]: Доброй охоты :)
breakfast [3p\]: удачной игры!
HappyLook [5d\]: А что коми такое большое? Боишься? :-)
breakfast [3p\]: угу, немного
breakfast [3p\]: мы теперь играем с 6.5
breakfast [3p\]: растете вы быстро
HappyLook [5d\]: Хм... почему-то ходить не могу
HappyLook [5d\]: секунду
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1728.148]
;W[dd]WL[1795.349]C[HappyLook [5d\]: во. перезашел :)
]
;B[dp]BL[1721.96]
;W[pq]WL[1713.886]
;B[po]BL[1718.793]C[Gum [9k\]: happy kibitz permitted ?
a789: BigDough : no
]
;W[qo]WL[1636.037]C[KochKoch [2k\]: these russians are uncharacteristically friendly
HappyGuy [4d\]: Greeting kgsian
a789: happyguy happylooks an happywoman
]
;B[qn]BL[1643.869]
;W[qp]WL[1620.941]
;B[pm]BL[1632.577]C[kasjaz [4d\]: b6
HappyGuy [4d\]: lol, too bad i dunno who happylook is, i am the first happy on kgs.. everyone else is imposters
Gum [9k\]: hm, joseki is o3 right ?
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: HappyCat else)
JoostvdPol [3d\]: jup
JoostvdPol [3d\]: but there are other options as well Gum
kasjaz [4d\]: with d4, hardly
a789: did you know that once breakfast won a game by not telling his amateur opponent (who went to toilet) what move he had played
HappyGuy [4d\]: O3,R13
]
;W[on]WL[1519.933]C[HappyLook [5d\]: a789 one more word - u will be booted.
a789: nice try
a789: try in bold
Suri [3d\]: that's two
a789: 5 in fact
HappyGuy [4d\]: Oops didn't know this  is in teaching mode
HappyLook [5d\]: he is out..
]
;B[pn]BL[1566.733]C[Gum [9k\]: how did that proverb go about a peep and a moron ?
iceweasel [-\]: a peep and a moron walk into a bar...
Gum [9k\]: ah right
maher140 [2k\]: even a moron knows to connect from a peep. i believe
Beluga101: I think p7 is also an option, I believe
Gum [9k\]: the moron being me I suppose
]
;W[np]WL[1451.682]C[maher140 [2k\]: teaching game guys. x.x
Gum [9k\]: yes, very nice
iskatel [8k\]: интересно начнут ребята бесплатно на " русском " такие партии разбирать.....
HappyGuy [4d\]: player can see the chat
Beluga101: player can see it? :O
bert [3d\]: hmmm, is this correct shape?
iskatel [8k\]: за державу обидно
Gum [9k\]: yes, he can learn from the kibitz and we can learn from the game
Beluga101: m3 or q10 are my guesses
Architect [4k\]: not sure bert.. but i feel strange too.. searching for weakness
Gum [9k\]: I would play r11 
Muttley [2k\]: Happylook, do you want me to clone it for kibbtiz?
Beluga101: r11 looks good
HappyLook [5d\]: its ok, unless troll will come here :)
Muttley [2k\]: ok :)
]
;B[qi]BL[1411.82]C[Gum [9k\]: well done happylook
Muttley [2k\]: enjoy an excellent teaching game and discussion in that case, folks :)
Muttley [2k\]: I'll say now, thanks to both Breakfast and HappyLook for their positive attitude :)
]
;W[kq]WL[1399.841]C[Beluga101: nice shape
]
;B[fc]BL[1395.396]
;W[cf]WL[1385.768]
(;B[jd]BL[1389.509]C[Gum [9k\]: it looks like black is creating a moyo
Muttley [2k\]: high and hoshi are moyo, for sure, but also fighting
]
;W[qc]WL[1325.52]C[Architect [4k\]: vital
Gum [9k\]: wow
Beluga101: exploit the double wing
]
;B[pc]BL[1356.214]C[JoostvdPol [3d\]: isnt there a saying about how there is no moyo in a cross game?
Muttley [2k\]: never heard that one
Architect [4k\]: yep there is..
]
;W[qd]WL[1294.823]C[Beluga101: r14?
Architect [4k\]: but he said that is difficult to make moyo in cross oppening
Architect [4k\]: big moyos*
]
;B[qe]BL[1269.753]C[Gum [9k\]: s15 
Meloco [4k\]: are we allowed to speculate on moves? don't want to be rude. :|
dakdf: n11 too slow
]
;W[re]WL[1280.272]
;B[rd]BL[1267.961]C[Beluga101: does the ladder work?
Gum [9k\]: ah, new joseki
HappyLook [5d\]: жду коментов, Саша :-)
]
;W[pb]WL[1260.207]C[Muttley [2k\]: yes, Happylook said fine with kibbitz, just no trolls :)
breakfast [3p\]: я уже обсудил его
breakfast [3p\]: не поверишь
HappyLook [5d\]: что сказал? :)
breakfast [3p\]: сказал что от тебя можно ожидать
breakfast [3p\]: :)
HappyLook [5d\]: )))
Gum [9k\]: never seen before
Muttley [2k\]: S16 is a known move, Gum
Architect [4k\]: what are they talking?
Muttley [2k\]: Russian, of course
bert [3d\]: s16 overplay, i think
Meloco [4k\]: s14 looks ok for bottom moyo
Architect [4k\]: lol.. i know muttley.. but the subject
HappyGuy [4d\]: s16 not overplay
Muttley [2k\]: oh sorry :)
Architect [4k\]: np :)
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: q15 looks good for top
goren2 [3k\]: s16 simple
]
;B[qb]BL[1065.372]
;W[rc]WL[1253.356]
;B[ob]BL[1061.963]C[Architect [4k\]: b wants the top
Architect [4k\]: more points
]
;W[qf]WL[1238.277]
;B[pe]BL[1059.828]
;W[rg]WL[1224.503]C[Muttley [2k\]: b wants sente :)
]
;B[rb]BL[1056.15]
;W[sd]WL[1215.607]C[goren2 [3k\]: now p13 and b winning
breakfast [3p\]: в партии плохо за Ч
]
;B[pg]BL[1016.353]C[Architect [4k\]: looks even to me..
HappyLook [5d\]: когда в последний раз я играл на мойо против тебя
richman [4k\]: is breakfast really 3P?
Beluga101: nice to have sente
HappyLook [5d\]: я помню, что ты меня убил в нем :-)
Beluga101: c6 is big
goren2 [3k\]: w corner looks really small compared to the wall
Beluga101: maybe h17 is already bigger
Muttley [2k\]: richman 1) yes, 2) they can read this and 3) if you want to stay, game related please
]
;W[hc]WL[1115.699]
;B[hd]BL[999.624]C[richman [4k\]: ask if he is 3p is related to the game, please
Beluga101: obviously, he is 3p
Architect [4k\]: make some research, u will find out
Muttley [2k\]: you can read it, I'm tired of people questioning the rank he has been awarded
bert [3d\]: i think w likes this better than ordinary joseki
Meloco [4k\]: idk, this result seems to favour black
richman [4k\]: p means professional, but does Russia has professional games?
Meloco [4k\]: due to stones already at r11 and k16 
Muttley [2k\]: richman, rank awarded in Korea
Architect [4k\]: i think right side is so natural flow for w..
]
;W[ic]WL[994.46]C[Architect [4k\]: feel this make things even
JoostvdPol [3d\]: i think r11 looks a bit odd
Architect [4k\]: lets see what happens with this invasion
Architect [4k\]: r11 is joseki
Muttley [2k\]: well, this is either a fight or white lives and black has thickness
jyka [4k\]: looks bad
goren2 [3k\]: k17
Meloco [4k\]: well, w will take some territory..whether black wants that or not. so perhaps limit damage
Meloco [4k\]: j16
richman [4k\]: why i feel like black is better? am i wrong?
Architect [4k\]: looks like w is using amashi strategy
Meloco [4k\]: this is a teaching game richman
Meloco [4k\]: the idea is not to crush your opponent. 
]
;B[id]BL[820.124]
;W[jc]WL[980.123]
;B[kc]BL[817.847]
;W[kb]WL[977.369]
;B[gc]BL[815.219]C[Architect [4k\]: w playing amashi.. pretty sure..
Suri [3d\]: what's amashi?
azazil [2d\]: s16 is amusing here because Dinerstein talked about it in his book "New Moves"
Meloco [4k\]: trying to play game where nobody has much points
goren2 [3k\]: you amashi a lot of stones and win
Muttley [2k\]: make territory early and survive everything that is thrown at you later :)
]
;W[lc]WL[931.872]
;B[kd]BL[812.43]C[Suri [3d\]: ah okay
azazil [2d\]: It is a high level strategy which is mostly mis-used and misunderstood by amatures
]
;W[mb]WL[925.761]
;B[hb]BL[809.221]C[Muttley [2k\]: have I got it right, azazil?
Muttley [2k\]: I understood it as "make the lead and keep the lead"
azazil [2d\]: Well, you prevent your opponent from making any signficant territory
goren2 [3k\]: j19
JoostvdPol [3d\]: amashi is about beroving potential early on right?
Architect [4k\]: amashi is one stratagy, when u get territory in the beggining, then u go for estry the opponents potential.
azazil [2d\]: getting the lead and keeping it is everybody's goal, but thats not a strategy
]
;W[ia]WL[878.307]C[JoostvdPol [3d\]: removing*
azazil [2d\]: Each time your opponent tries to make something, with amashi you destroy it
Architect [4k\]: search in sensei
Muttley [2k\]: ah, it is, your strategy can be to make thickness and allow opponent to get ahead in territory
azazil [2d\]: Not something amatures can really do well
Meloco [4k\]: time for left bottom corner?
Suri [3d\]: yeah will do
Suri [3d\]: but some contributors on sensei really are windbags
goren2 [3k\]: n16
Meloco [4k\]: or perhaps d18
Architect [4k\]: amashi is very difficult to use... few people can use this effectively
Architect [4k\]: but what happened until now is... w got some territory, then he destroyed all b territory ..
Meloco [4k\]: one must be very strong at life and death, and being able to connect if playing amashi. I'm sure breakfast is :)
slendy [6d\]: wtf is amashi?
Architect [4k\]: sensei xmp
goren2 [3k\]: it's those japanese words ddks use tosound knowledgeble
JoostvdPol [3d\]: kyu style playing, destroy what might be
bert [3d\]: what does it mean litterally in japanese?
JoostvdPol [3d\]: and end up with weak groups
iskatel [8k\]: а есть такое понятие "амаши"?
rvrey [5k\]: N15 ?
slendy [6d\]: its more like shinogi
wind2 [1d\]: N16
JackEL [1d\]: k19
Meloco [4k\]: isn't translation somthing like 'erasure'?
ArdaKr [16k\]: k19 dont mean somethink
wind2 [1d\]: unique  N16
]
(;B[ld]BL[468.166]C[Syptryn [4d\]: test
goren2 [3k\]: n16 and w sente lives.  i don't like m16
roguehalo [6k\]: so breakfast still exists and is not just a rumour :P
breakfast [3p\]: извиняюсь
]
;W[md]WL[867.809]
;B[me]BL[465.206]C[HappyLook [5d\]: ничего страшного :)
goren2 [3k\]: d18
slendy [6d\]: than w die solidly
goren2 [3k\]: ho2?
goren2 [3k\]: how?
slendy [6d\]: read
HappyLook [5d\]: slendy, don't tell them
gokoan [4k\]: feel w can live in gote
HappyLook [5d\]: this was my plan ;D
slendy [6d\]: oups,sorry
slendy [6d\]: :D
HappyLook [5d\]: joke :)
Meloco [4k\]: :D
]
;W[ib]WL[772.088]C[CaptObvius [-\]: White is trying to win
gokoan [4k\]: alive in gote ^^
slendy [6d\]: your job is done here captain
]
;B[dg]BL[429.042]C[goren2 [3k\]: man, i tought n16 was life...
slendy [6d\]: famous last words
HappyLook [5d\]: ;D
CaptObvius [-\]: Those words aren't famous
goren2 [3k\]: just for fun, show me death please>
Beykakua [6k\]: in teaching games, can the players read the kibitz?
HappyLook [5d\]: no, we can't
HappyLook [5d\]: :)
Meloco [4k\]: I like b's ambition :)
Beykakua [6k\]: oh ok good
Beykakua [6k\]: :)
CaptObvius [-\]: HappyLook is lying
gokoan [4k\]: goren: if w tenuki j18, b gets it
Sig [11k?\]: CO, you're outstanding..
]
;W[df]WL[673.369]C[Meloco [4k\]: what is the proverb? there is no territory in the centre ^^
]
;B[fg]BL[426.511]C[HappyLook [5d\]: Takemiya style :)
rvrey [5k\]: lol SE = w +368,5
domi999 [1k\]: f15 
CaptObvius [-\]: SE is wrong
Meloco [4k\]: SE takes into account that breakfast is pro :)
HappyLook [5d\]: Alex, list to domi999 :)
HappyLook [5d\]: listen* )
domi999 [1k\]: :)
gokoan [4k\]: influence is an investiment... it could work or not, depending on how u invests
Jadeite [4k?\]: *shakes head*
domi999 [1k\]: 3p should learn from 1k time to time
richman [4k\]: this game is really much slower than the other games i saw on kgs
Muttley [2k\]: the clue is in the time settings ...
gokoan [4k\]: thanks god one slow game in kgs..
gokoan [4k\]: lol
]
;W[nl]WL[448.543]C[go1d [9d\]: c13 
gokoan [4k\]: what?? is w upper corner settled?
HappyLook [5d\]: hm... i should listen to 9d..
Meloco [4k\]: xD
Muttley [2k\]: go1d, please suggest 5d moves
gokoan [4k\]: lol
dsmic [-\]: First I have to understand what makes O8 better than all the other moves:)
CaptObvius [-\]: go1d purposely goes out of his way to preserve his 9d rank
]
;B[cg]BL[330.607]C[k43r [?\]: c13 is a move that i'd choose to
HappyLook [5d\]: >_> :)
Muttley [2k\]: ok, enough CaptObvius, this one is a teaching game
]
;W[eg]WL[386.145]C[richman [4k\]: i have google search breakfast, cant believe he is really that strong
goren2 [3k\]: e13 looks sick
]
;B[eh]BL[275.924]C[Ontology [6d\]: seems like c3 wll end up not thqt good
gokoan [4k\]: e 13 intents to create bad aji
]
;W[ef]WL[357.266]
;B[fh]BL[266.173]C[Meloco [4k\]: e13 is a good move, threatens g16 cut if e14 and makes weaker shape if e12 
Ontology [6d\]: *c13
gokoan [4k\]: c17 honte
]
;W[db]WL[289.196]
;B[fq]BL[249.706]C[gokoan [4k\]: w going for sqabaki
gokoan [4k\]: c4 or b4
Meloco [4k\]: left side now for w?
goren2 [3k\]: h4?
Meloco [4k\]: c8 ?
HappyLook [5d\]: мы с Ли Хеком так играли недавно, по точно такому же сценарию :) все отбираете :)
azazil [2d\]: Looks like white is winning already
gokoan [4k\]: depends what will hapen in left
Meloco [4k\]: SE agrees ^^
Ontology [6d\]: No, b has some good potential
goren2 [3k\]: s9 - would it be sente ?
Ontology [6d\]: W has only smthg like 30 safe points
azazil [2d\]: I didn't say it was *over* :) But B mostly just has potential, and w is thick everywhere so he should be able to reduce effectively
azazil [2d\]: True, but the stronger people get the less effective moyos seem to be, they get really good at reducing
azazil [2d\]: If this were a kyu game I'd favor black :)
Meloco [4k\]: c9 rather than c8
goren2 [3k\]: my 3k sense says h4 or s9
]
;W[bo]WL[103.462]
;B[co]BL[227.905]C[dsmic [-\]: hmm, is w trying to avoid all obvious moves?
azazil [2d\]: b5 is a normal move
dsmic [-\]: really, OK
gokoan [4k\]: b5 aims the left side
azazil [2d\]: this is a joseki even
dsmic [-\]: I should learn some:)
Ghostgamer [11k\]: how can s9 stay alive?
Meloco [4k\]: s9 + s11 or q9 
]
;W[bp]WL[2914.702]
;B[bn]BL[223.496]
;W[cn]WL[2911.149]
;B[cm]BL[219.444]
;W[dn]WL[2906.732]
;B[bl]BL[210.299]C[WVoron [4d\]: bad
goren2 [3k\]: a6
go1d [9d\]: b should q4 then o5 
azazil [2d\]: a6 burns aji. This is still a joseki :)
Meloco [4k\]: e4 perhaps
WVoron [4d\]: d3
azazil [2d\]: d3 is joseki
go1d [9d\]: it hurts so much 
meuns [1k\]: w+
WVoron [4d\]: or e4
]
;W[dq]WL[2858.077]C[azazil [2d\]: How go1d, how did you get strong?
BigStan [2d\]: does one knows how w has 47min left out of 30 ?
meuns [1k\]: he stole a young player
HappyLook [5d\]: Вась, иди учи джосеки..
]
;B[cq]BL[197.953]
;W[cp]WL[2846.121]C[WVoron [4d\]: хахахахах
]
;B[dr]BL[195.056]
;W[do]WL[2837.458]
;B[eq]BL[193.892]C[k43r [?\]: ! d2 unexpected
WVoron [4d\]: смешно
Seoulo [4d\]: d2 joseki..
meuns [1k\]: d13 seems terribad
azazil [2d\]: d2 still a joseki, though that doesn't mean good or bad
Meloco [4k\]: d8 or e8 now, I think
k43r [?\]: oh, I need to learn them
jyka [4k\]: h4
WVoron [4d\]: хороший выбор джосеки
]
;W[fn]WL[2731.08]
;B[em]BL[176.301]C[pollybis [3d\]: so is Wvoron saying "joseki"i 
WVoron [4d\]: ))
FSDFVC: more like djoseki
manul [4k?\]: will be funny if breakfast will not add time %)
Meloco [4k\]: f4 ?
therookie [3k\]: why this is not private?
go1d [9d\]: Черная прибыль
HappyLook [5d\]: :-D
x0000 [-\]: xD
manul [4k?\]: aaaaa
HappyLook [5d\]: go1d, this one sounds funny :D
manul [4k?\]: gold speaks russian %)
WVoron [4d\]: лол
FSDFVC: g5 seems like a useful move from here
goren2 [3k\]: in mother russia, even gold speak russian
York [4d\]: god1d spoke russian?
pollybis [3d\]: his privilege ?
bert [3d\]: лол
Valera [1d?\]: тогда сказал бы черный нал :)))
HappyLook [5d\]: google translate :)
porka78 [4k\]: yes
porka78 [4k\]: )))
WVoron [4d\]: g4
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: это он хотел сказать B+ чтоли?)
FSDFVC: g4 is strange
]
;W[fo]WL[2553.26]C[FSDFVC: can you explain why?
]
;B[gl]BL[171.19]C[FSDFVC: (i want to learn, not to criticize)
WVoron [4d\]: )
bert [3d\]: i expected g5
FSDFVC: same as me bert
manul [4k?\]: i want to criticize but i dont know what's going on :(
]
;W[fl]WL[2512.72]C[FSDFVC: f8 is a lets fight move
Meloco [4k\]: breakfast seems to be avoiding any suggested move...or perhaps we are all simply to weak to be guessing ^^
]
;B[fm]BL[151.925]C[x0000 [-\]: c9 aji
]
;W[gm]WL[2507.464]C[York [4d\]: it could be about style....
Seoulo [4d\]: not lets fight, just the right way to attack
go1d [9d\]: d7 
FSDFVC:   what do you mean moleco?
]
(;B[hm]BL[124.693]C[FSDFVC: they can read us?
Muttley [2k\]: yes
York [4d\]: as i observe, breakfast played well gangnam style baduk
kkkekai [10k\]: y
Meloco [4k\]: yes
pollybis [3d\]: d7 makes about 17 points
]
;W[gn]WL[2482.206]C[FSDFVC: i don't want to ruin their game. if i suggest a move, and the 5d will bea the 3p, they migtht blame me!
York [4d\]: 3p is too weak to play u?
Meloco [4k\]: :)  I wouldnt worry about that
WVoron [4d\]: w will get +20
]
;B[dm]BL[91.214]C[Fayt [4k\]: sure theyve got chat block on
FSDFVC: lol, i'm about 1d-2d, that's why i joked
goren2 [3k\]: h8
Meloco [4k\]: h4 
Meloco [4k\]: h10 seems interesting
FSDFVC: h10 seems like a suicide attempt
FSDFVC: b will chase it and expand his territory
pollybis [3d\]: seems w can cut at h8 and make territory in lower center
]
;W[hl]WL[2356.794]
;B[gk]BL[87.576]C[Fayt [4k\]: h10 is good if youre into getting stranded in the middle of nowhere often
FSDFVC: that's what i was thinking polly, but the question is how
goren2 [3k\]: j8
WVoron [4d\]: h3
go1d [9d\]: h3 seems good 
WVoron [4d\]: ))
BatiBO [1d\]: ш3 Белая прибыль
Dprk7 [1d\]: h3 is sente
goren2 [3k\]: h3 - b makes a gigantic moyo?
SergeyASh [6k?\]: j5
]
;W[hq]WL[2281.23]C[Meloco [4k\]: h9 
pollybis [3d\]: h3 only seems 50% sente
FSDFVC: now w must invade and ruin that huge moyo
]
;B[im]BL[59.06]C[Seoulo [4d\]: the thing is b kind of has to respond there
Dprk7 [1d\]: so is not sente
Seoulo [4d\]: it'll be
FSDFVC: j7 seems frightning against a strong player
Dprk7 [1d\]: b2
go1d [9d\]: it wasn't , i trapped the 3p 
goren2 [3k\]: well, b2 to folllow up
]
;W[br]WL[2247.724]
;B[bq]BL[56.521]C[FSDFVC: that can read better
]
;W[aq]WL[2240.242]C[FSDFVC: yaoza
Meloco [4k\]: g2 ?
Ontology [6d\]: h2 and black will live I think
]
;B[hr]BL[601.835]C[FSDFVC: just a question
FSDFVC: n6 would be a good approach toattack w's stones?
pollybis [3d\]: still hard for b to live
FSDFVC: or it's too far?
go1d [9d\]: not hard at all 
goren2 [3k\]: g2...?
rsun [5d\]: can't they see the comments?
Ontology [6d\]: g2 g3 j2 h4 j3 h6 
]
;W[iq]WL[2160.777]C[rkda [6k\]: this is a teaching game, yes, they can see the comments
]
;B[ir]BL[596.491]C[Ontology [6d\]: b would cut and kill if w played g2
]
;W[jr]WL[2157.071]
;B[gq]BL[593.99]C[rsun [5d\]: so we shouldn't talk too much
goren2 [3k\]: ok got it
Dprk7 [1d\]: f2
Meloco [4k\]: hmm
]
;W[cr]WL[2130.252]C[Omate3D [?\]: и от бабушки убег..
FSDFVC: the cut at h5 seems huge
]
;B[dq]BL[585.549]C[goren2 [3k\]: f1?
]
;W[an]WL[2105.432]
;B[bm]BL[568.255]C[Meloco [4k\]: h5 needed?
goren2 [3k\]: nvm
Ontology [6d\]: yes Meloco
Tadpole [12k\]: dumb question  b h4 cutting? the white group on the left doesn't look invincible
pollybis [3d\]: h5 seems necessary
FSDFVC: i think h5 would be better
FSDFVC: but still, a rough fight
SergeyASh [6k?\]: j1 
FSDFVC: also, b would want to play o10 or something similar in the future(i think he would, i know i would)
goren2 [3k\]: h5, b l8 - and it's overish?
Tadpole [12k\]: w seems to have way more territory
FSDFVC: b's moyo is huge
bert [3d\]: j1 kills, or am i dumb?
Tadpole [12k\]: doesn't b have to kill white's group or take all of middle?
Ontology [6d\]: FSD, b need to live in gote after h5
jyka [4k\]: f1
beeracc [5k?\]: w has to h5?
FSDFVC: thanks, i undertand ontology
FSDFVC: understand*
]
;W[hp]WL[1941.806]C[FSDFVC: lol what
]
;B[fr]BL[554]C[goren2 [3k\]: w k8!
Meloco [4k\]: it works, so it's fine
go1d [9d\]: h9 
bert [3d\]: r10 
Dprk7 [1d\]: h10
FSDFVC: l8 or l7 i think
FSDFVC: h9?
Meloco [4k\]: g10 ? ^^
FSDFVC: can w fight with hatstone?
Ontology [6d\]: b is 10 points behind w in safe territory
FSDFVC: that*
Ontology [6d\]: Will be quite hard for w to deal with the middle, so b may have some chance to win :)
FSDFVC: l8 seems like a beginning of a deep invasion to b's territory
HappyLook [5d\]: well, Alex is too good in reducing :)
go1d [9d\]: b should play q4 soon 
]
;W[kl]WL[1788.461]C[FSDFVC: why q4?
]
;B[jk]BL[545.139]C[FSDFVC: isn't it a ko threat?
]
;W[kk]WL[1780.812]
;B[kj]BL[533.275]C[go1d [9d\]: because it makes w make a choice between p3 and r3 
goren2 [3k\]: what will b play if w r3?
Dprk7 [1d\]: w thinks that this is enough to win
sagesse [-\]: g15 
]
;W[lj]WL[1724.185]C[FSDFVC: so if w chooses r3 , b will use p3 as an excuse to attack the p6 stones?
]
;B[ki]BL[527.92]C[go1d [9d\]: g15 hurts 
jyka [4k\]: c17
HappyLook [5d\]: g15 is nothing
jyka [4k\]: for b
HappyLook [5d\]: only few points
]
;W[jl]WL[1702.18]
;B[il]BL[524.228]C[FSDFVC: oh, they can red
HappyLook [5d\]: look for tesuji, mister 9d :)
FSDFVC: read*
FSDFVC: lol
sagesse [-\]: yeah i forgot
]
;W[li]WL[1683.389]C[go1d [9d\]: you'll see your center become 10 points , and he will owne your right group 
]
;B[lh]BL[510.213]C[go1d [9d\]: just sayin' :p 
FSDFVC: i really want to see go1d playing
Meloco [4k\]: center being reduced quite a lot already
fekand3 [1k\]: r9
HisokaH [-\]: me too
xD [1k\]: against breakfast
pollybis [3d\]: w thinks of r9
JIeBuc [5k\]: same here
Meloco [4k\]: he does often. 
]
;W[ge]WL[1634.386]C[goren2 [3k\]: center still huge
]
;B[fe]BL[507.886]C[FSDFVC: a 9d that also chats and explains or suggests moves? that's great
]
;W[ff]WL[1623.271]C[HappyLook [5d\]: Alex, don't listen to go1d :)
]
;B[gf]BL[505.526]C[WVoron [4d\]: lol
jyka [4k\]: c17
jyka [4k\]: !!!!
Dprk7 [1d\]: 3p plays go1d moves
jyka [4k\]: come on
redf [3k\]: HappyLoo, игра хоть и учебная, но это не цирк и не повод отвлекаться на всякую чушь
Nosabe [-\]: w in trouble
mozarto [4k?\]: that's true redf
JIeBuc [5k\]: какой тонкий троллинг
]
;W[mh]WL[1547.75]C[HappyLook [5d\]: не нравится - не смотри. все просто
jyka [4k\]: r8
]
;B[lg]BL[488.898]C[WVoron [4d\]: для него цирк реально хаха))
FSDFVC: he's rude :)
mchoi555 [1k\]: b13
Meloco [4k\]: s9 ?
goren2 [3k\]: s9 now
FSDFVC: tchrk? what is tchrk?
Nosabe [-\]: but w still in the game
flashback [7d\]: r9
sagesse [-\]: b13 big?
]
;W[fd]WL[1472.678]C[FSDFVC: r9 seems really nice
FSDFVC: interesting
]
;B[he]BL[480.12]
;W[ee]WL[1465.015]C[goren2 [3k\]: a13 bigger?
Omate3D [?\]: r9?
gopoliz [3k\]: why  b ahead?
]
;B[gd]BL[415.993]C[Dprk7 [1d\]: only a few points but sente
Tadpole [12k\]: why sente?
goren2 [3k\]: time to b13
FSDFVC: javaness, don't shout please
Dprk7 [1d\]: because b has to connect at g16
go1d [9d\]: b13 b12 b11 ? does it make something ? 
Tadpole [12k\]: oh, i thought you meant b's move was sente
Matula [1k\]: r9 
goren2 [3k\]: no, but b13 sente due to b11
FSDFVC: q9 and k6 seems big for b
Universe [1d\]: f9
Tadpole [12k\]: w t10
Omate3D [?\]: q9!
WeaverRus [1k?\]: f15!!!
xD [1k\]: no monkey jumps
wind2 [1d\]: r10
Meloco [4k\]: k6 ?
]
;W[bg]WL[1320.111]
;B[bh]BL[413.118]
;W[bf]WL[1309.966]C[flashback [7d\]: q9
]
;B[jp]BL[391.479]C[go1d [9d\]: b should play q4 ... 
wind2 [1d\]: b11
Universe [1d\]: b wants to seperate lower into 3 groups
goren2 [3k\]: k5???
]
;W[jo]WL[1268.474]C[brooks [1k\]: go1d should play flashback ;)
manul [4k?\]: it's not fair that 9d suggesting moves %)
Universe [1d\]: p3
jyka [4k\]: go1d tes qui
FSDFVC: it's great that a 9d talks and helps us all
Tadpole [12k\]: is there a reason that i can't playback the game moves?
go1d [9d\]: i have the right to kibbitz , kgs is a free world 
goren2 [3k\]: b needs a12...
brooks [1k\]: we love your kibbitz
xzenith42 [2k\]: teaching game, just clone it
pollybis [3d\]: to playback game moves do "view offline"
]
;B[io]BL[301.984]C[WVoron [4d\]: k4 so bad 
WVoron [4d\]: D
FSDFVC: as mean or as a bad move?
Meloco [4k\]: not if viewed as sacrificed stone perhaps
HappyLook [5d\]: Василий, я попросил бы тебя выйти отсюда, либо не давать своих комментариев, ок?
wind2 [1d\]: L5
manul [4k?\]: you can always ban him %)
WVoron [4d\]: хахаха
WVoron [4d\]: цирк
WVoron [4d\]: может тебе выйти
FSDFVC: lol
WVoron [4d\]: ?
wind2 [1d\]: L5  is better
goren2 [3k\]: why not j4?
FSDFVC: on svichnolsa :)
entropper [2d\]: j4 awful shape
]
;W[ko]WL[1107.686]
;B[ho]BL[297.914]
;W[gp]WL[1105.54]
;B[ip]BL[296.016]
;W[jq]WL[1099.598]
;B[kp]BL[291.505]
;W[lp]WL[1093.017]C[goren2 [3k\]: please. please  a12
pollybis [3d\]: m9
entropper [2d\]: b11 bigger there
FSDFVC: now q4 seems huge
]
;B[mi]BL[247.609]C[jyka [4k\]:   q9
xD [1k\]: c11 is better for black
Meloco [4k\]: this looks fun
xD [1k\]: b11 for white
wind2 [1d\]: O10
goren2 [3k\]: p11
FSDFVC: that's a great cut
FSDFVC: continue with it and invade r9 
entropper [2d\]: r9 first
wind2 [1d\]: O10 or B11
gopoliz [3k\]: o16 will possible for w
wind2 [1d\]: r10  is ok after O10
Meloco [4k\]: n10 o11 q9 
]
;W[mj]WL[914.722]
;B[ni]BL[243.002]
;W[bi]WL[905.028]
;B[ci]BL[238.607]C[Tadpole [12k\]: is b winning?
]
;W[ah]WL[900.621]
;B[ch]BL[237.501]C[Dragoness [4d\]: slightly
Meloco [4k\]: it's about even
]
;W[bj]WL[840.866]
(;B[cj]BL[232.954]C[gokoan [4k\]: there will be a revision after the game?
dakdf: w behind
goren2 [3k\]: my god it's 317 am
bert [3d\]: b is losing, imo
iskatel [8k\]: кажется что б дожмёт
Meloco [4k\]: yes, though we may not be privy to it
gokoan [4k\]: :(
FSDFVC: i kinda want w to win
Tadpole [12k\]: can c9 lead to seki?
WeaverRus [1k?\]: r9 !
Bahytych [8k\]: t10
xD [1k\]: no tadpole
FSDFVC: seki?
Meloco [4k\]: I want w to make it a half point game, and b to find one more threat ^^
FSDFVC: how?
Tadpole [12k\]: on c7 group?
x0000 [-\]: s9 
goren2 [3k\]: maybe a nice ko at 015?
dakdf: r9 or s9?
wind2 [1d\]: R10
FSDFVC: he gotta cut it first before he can make seki, and it's impossible
FSDFVC: r9 seems huge
xD [1k\]: gigantic
FSDFVC: o10 also?
FSDFVC: nah, o10 before is slower
Omega2500 [-\]: Василия забанили?)
Meloco [4k\]: so... o16 perhaps
FSDFVC: what is zabanele?
goren2 [3k\]: nah, just o016 straight
Meloco [4k\]: or g18 ^^
WinPooh [3k\]: фора 0?
Enma [6k\]: da
entropper [2d\]: q9 or r9
iskatel [8k\]: да
wind2 [1d\]: up to now  b 60+
iskatel [8k\]: фора 0
illahad [1k\]: FSDFVC it's to ban
zum [-\]: r9
FSDFVC: tanks
FSDFVC: thanks*
FSDFVC: the cut at j9 
]
;W[ql]WL[581.113]C[FSDFVC: ohh
zum [-\]: oops
wind2 [1d\]: w is 60+
HappyLook [5d\]: думал, что центр смогу хоть нормально проатаковать :)
]
;B[pl]BL[223.792]C[FSDFVC: fighty?
]
;W[qj]WL[578.954]C[go1d [9d\]: nice move by w 
FSDFVC: r8 seems dangerous
entropper [2d\]: w is ok here
FSDFVC: now we can learn tesuji from a pro
wind2 [1d\]: w should win
zum [-\]: remember that r8 works in this position
Meloco [4k\]: unsure. may not be best idea to learn from teaching game. but yes. what zum said.
goren2 [3k\]: c1, strangely, is worth about 8 points
WinPooh [3k\]: "как школьнику драться с отборной шпаной" (Высоцкий)
hernan1987 [2k\]: b is in trouble
FSDFVC: why go1d and other high dans stopped kibbitzing?
dakdf: so w even now
casimiro [6k\]: b is in trouble from the first move :)
Kivaa [3k\]: why not learn from a teaching game? Sounds paradox.
zum [-\]: teaching game is a trap
Meloco [4k\]: because white does not aim at playing optimal moves..else game would be unbalanced
goren2 [3k\]: it;s a trap!
FSDFVC: i don't think w underestimates b
FSDFVC: after all, b is 5d
WeaverRus [1k?\]: беги лола, беги!!!
Meloco [4k\]: it has nothing to do with underestimating
FSDFVC: lol run lola run
zum [-\]: is this the Russian room?
Amorff [2d?\]: о нет Хэп!!! это ловушка!
FSDFVC: zum, want some vodka?
zum [-\]: I dont drink, thx
WinPooh [3k\]: учебный бой с Виталием Кличко - он будет бить только левой рукой, и через раз. Есть желающие? :))
FSDFVC: same
FSDFVC: stop with the russian
hernan1987 [2k\]: :S  
FSDFVC: i hate to read it
Amorff [2d?\]: конечно есть, не думаете же вы что русские трезвыми играют))
zum [-\]: hey look, they use :)) in Russian
dakdf: so w win
mchoi555 [1k\]: resign?
FSDFVC: all those o'sin russians
Muttley [2k\]: zum, it is a teaching game between two Russian players ... I think they might be allowed to use Russian :)
WinPooh [3k\]: Yes, Sir!
FSDFVC: you can neer know when it's o or a
FSDFVC: never
Meloco [4k\]: hmm
go1d [9d\]: i don't find any good move for b here 
Meloco [4k\]: r9 or q10 seems ok
markwebb [4k\]: google translate it, if you must
gokoan [4k\]: q10 only move
goren2 [3k\]: s10
xD [1k\]: s9 maybe?
go1d [9d\]: s10 maybe 
SeanPenn [1k?\]: s10
hernan1987 [2k\]: o6?
AstaManana [7k\]: and so . if two corean plays each other -  all the kibitz must began to learn Corean alphabet ?
zum [-\]: Whos Corean???
goren2 [3k\]: aa pereson from corea
Meloco [4k\]: no, but they should respect those players talking in their native tongue
Stoneflow [4k\]: what about s9?
zum [-\]: Korea
AstaManana [7k\]: thats an exemple ?
BobHurt [2d?\]: is corea a country?
]
;B[pj]BL[171.187]C[WinPooh [3k\]: Are there any formal rules for kibitzing on KGS, besides not using arrogant lexic?
Tadpole [12k\]: it is where the cornea was discovered
AstaManana [7k\]: so two chinese or two other asian alphabet !
Kivaa [3k\]: Just ignore the comments you can not understand
veinarde [1k\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/languages.html
Stoneflow [4k\]: s9 tesuji right?
goren2 [3k\]: corn was grown in corea befor corneas were discovered
gokoan [4k\]: q9
Muttley [2k\]: AsataManana, keep your comments game related only from now on
x0000 [-\]: s11 
FSDFVC: but is it worth so much?
]
;W[pk]WL[511.897]C[bert [3d\]: i belive mutt will start kicking very soon
]
;B[ok]BL[168.443]
;W[qk]WL[507.562]C[WinPooh [3k\]: Это правило не является строго обязательным, пользователи, не знающие языка данной комнаты, могут находиться там и задавать вопросы на своем родном языке, если им необходимо что-либо узнать у находящихся в комнате людей. Негативное отношение к таким вопросам (возмущения, насмешки, просьбы покинуть комнату и т.п.) со стороны других пользователей не должно допускаться.
zum [-\]: mutt kicking like a mule
gokoan [4k\]: p10
Muttley [2k\]: heh
Meloco [4k\]: hmm
gokoan [4k\]: p10 s11 p8
]
;B[oj]BL[142.361]C[AstaManana [7k\]: tell it to whom began this discussion 
Tadpole [12k\]: s11?
hernan1987 [2k\]: w won
Muttley [2k\]: its a great teaching game, and if kibbitzers want to discuss it in Russian they can
comcon1 [4k?\]: oao
gokoan [4k\]: :p
FSDFVC: w must connect, no big kill :(
Dragoness [4d\]: well white ahead now
Tadpole [12k\]: the invasion was really big though
Tadpole [12k\]: ~25-30 points?
FSDFVC: yah, but i wanted to see a big capture
debuff [8k\]: winpooh, try this: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtKibitzs
WinPooh [3k\]: Правило: даже если партия создана в национальной или общей комнате, она не является "продолжением" этой комнаты. То есть, правила использования языка комнаты не распространяются на чат партии.  Люди, обсуждающие партию, могут говорить на любом языке (не допускается нарушение общих правил КГС - ругань, флуд, реклама и т.п.) Не допустимо "навязывание" чата на каком-либо одном языке.
Dragoness [4d\]: o.o
zum [-\]: WinP: is that Tolstoy?
Dragoness [4d\]: russian!
iTengen [2k\]: they'll give anyone a pro certificate these days
ngarry [-\]: не стоит цитировать все правила
Ilyaplush1 [4k\]: )))
]
;W[ri]WL[409.103]C[GoDo123 [7k\]: pravda=truth
]
;B[nm]BL[138.858]C[FSDFVC: pravda is ot correct?
FSDFVC: not
WinPooh [3k\]: только относящееся к обсуждаемому вопросу 
Ilyaplush1 [4k\]: для кого это? Нам же никто не запрещает говорить на русском)))
gokoan [4k\]: fell like 07 is a mistake
zum [-\]: cut & kill
ngarry [-\]: они на русском - все равнго не поймут
WinPooh [3k\]: впрочем, мы кажется отвлеклись от событий на доске...
FSDFVC: o7 is quite agressive
Dragoness [4d\]: i think its an overplay o.o
]
;W[is]WL[360.185]C[Dragoness [4d\]: white can p8?
JIeBuc [5k\]: seems so
Tadpole [12k\]: tenuki?
]
;B[gs]BL[125.408]
;W[mm]WL[356.673]C[Tadpole [12k\]: ok
]
;B[ol]BL[112.948]C[beeracc [4k?\]: that was sente tenuki ^^
FSDFVC: lol
Tadpole [12k\]: :D
]
;W[nd]WL[334.912]C[FSDFVC: i think it was w's way to tell him:"don't you dare to overplay anymore"
hernan1987 [2k\]: n6 :O
WinPooh [3k\]: zum, it's not Tolstoy neither Dostoyevsky, it's Saltykov-Shcherdin
Dragoness [4d\]: lol :)
gokoan [4k\]: go1dan, cut doesnt work?
Shedal [4d\]: I thought it was Schubert
hernan1987 [2k\]: n6 :O
hernan1987 [2k\]: :O
hernan1987 [2k\]: xD
FSDFVC: w has given him a free buffee
dakdf: w is thick
goren2 [3k\]: c1 so big
FSDFVC: don't be rude dak
bert [3d\]: i only know Ilf&Petrov
dakdf: b too thin
]
;B[ln]BL[15.186]C[donovan [6k\]: c1 = 5 points?
dakdf: w will win
WinPooh [3k\]: kamikaze
xD [1k\]: k7 sente because of j9 
FSDFVC: everyone has problems, dak, i'm sure they are aware of it
]
;W[lo]WL[306.294]
;B[mn]BL[9.918]C[markwebb [4k\]: n8
hernan1987 [2k\]: :O
FSDFVC: that's huge
]
;W[jm]WL[298.941]C[hernan1987 [2k\]: nice
FSDFVC: but really, huge
Tadpole [12k\]: o6 now?
]
;B[op]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[oq]WL[295.239]
;B[no]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ik]WL[289.759]C[goren2 [3k\]: traqp
goren2 [3k\]: haqhhaha
FSDFVC: woot
Dragoness [4d\]: white got him xD
HappyLook [5d\]: :)
xD [1k\]: i even told him
sponkatron [2k\]: yep
breakfast [3p\]: спасибо!
HappyLook [5d\]: Спасибо
FSDFVC: rofl
zum [-\]: not so happy now
bert [3d\]: nice
breakfast [3p\]: сколько Черным не хватало?
Kivaa [3k\]: thanks for the show :)
HappyLook [5d\]: очков 15 наверно
HappyLook [5d\]: справа больно вышло :)
])
(;B[ok]
;W[cj]
;B[dj]C[Muttley [2k\]: Thank you both for the teaching game :)
HappyLook [5d\]: пожалуй. дума над этим
]
;W[dk]
;B[ej]C[zum [-\]: w patient and lurking the whole game
HappyLook [5d\]: но тогда тоже не хватает
HappyLook [5d\]: около 10 :)
goren2 [3k\]: c9
breakfast [3p\]: но сейчас Е9
]
;W[ek]
(;B[ck]
;W[fj]
;B[ei]
;W[gj]C[breakfast [3p\]: проблемы
])
(;B[fk]
;W[ck]
;B[el]C[breakfast [3p\]: прилично здесь ...
breakfast [3p\]: разбор я сохранил в комнате инсей лиги
HappyLook [5d\]: да как обычно центр переоцениваю)
breakfast [3p\]: у меня инет отвалился и я в конце текстом давал
HappyLook [5d\]: спасибо, посмотрю :)
breakfast [3p\]: спс за игру, до встречи!
HappyLook [5d\]: по фусеки что-то есть?
zum [-\]: I think Im learning like crazy
HappyLook [5d\]: из грубых :)
breakfast [3p\]: да
])))
(;B[dm]C[go1d [9d\]: h7 so bad 
breakfast [3p\]: дальше без атари
]
;W[hl]
;B[gn]C[breakfast [3p\]: атари меня укрепляет
breakfast [3p\]: наверное все
HappyLook [5d\]: хм...
breakfast [3p\]: до встречи!
HappyLook [5d\]: спасибо :)
HappyLook [5d\]: удачи :)
Ilyaplush1 [4k\]: спасибо)
HappyLook [5d\]: thanks all :)
bert [3d\]: thx, both
comcon1 [4k?\]: спасибо
Valera [1d?\]: спасибо!
FSDFVC: thanks
gokoan [4k\]: go1dan vs breakfast!
FSDFVC: i leared  lot
Quaternion [5k\]: почему "завтрак 3" ?
Q17 [6k\]: спасибо
zum [-\]: oh no, not quaternion too...
Quaternion [5k\]: :(
]))
(;B[cc]C[breakfast [3p\]: потом сан-сан
breakfast [3p\]: важно
]
;W[dc]
;B[cd]TR[fb]C[breakfast [3p\]: Ф18 -
breakfast [3p\]: твое сенте
HappyLook [5d\]: решил на мойо сегодня :)
breakfast [3p\]: так что можешь активно играть в углу
HappyLook [5d\]: тут знал
]))
(;B[nc]C[breakfast [3p\]: так
breakfast [3p\]: чтобы недопустить 3-3
]))
