(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[solaris]PB[Koffein]DT[2011-11-04]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Koffein [-\]: have a nice game
]RE[W+19.50]
;B[oe]BL[1793.244]C[solaris [-\]: Have a good game
]
;W[dp]WL[1792.311]
;B[po]BL[1788.79]
;W[dd]WL[1769.638]
;B[qf]BL[1782.167]
;W[oc]WL[1752.868]
;B[md]BL[1778.693]
;W[qc]WL[1740.733]LB[pk:A][jp:B]C[solaris [-\]: looks more normal
]
(;B[mb]BL[1753.026]TR[mb]C[solaris [-\]: why n8?
solaris [-\]: n18
solaris [-\]: kill corner?
Koffein [-\]: i saw a game with miyazawa goro with r17 at r16 .. n18 was sente in that game
solaris [-\]: :)
solaris [-\]: well, maybe it is:)
solaris [-\]: but i had no time to count
solaris [-\]: to read*
Syptryn [4d\]: loooks like black can just get sente thick wall?
Syptryn [4d\]: as followup?
solaris [-\]: so i tenuki
solaris [-\]: i think
solaris [-\]: n8 in game was almsot pass
solaris [-\]: u didn't use it
solaris [-\]: n18*
]
;W[qm]WL[1727.456]
(;B[ro]BL[1746.146]
;W[pj]WL[1718.448]
;B[qh]BL[1713.529]
;W[oq]WL[1713.951]
(;B[lp]BL[1578.467]C[solaris [-\]: this also looks , not usual 
]
;W[np]WL[1702.302]
;B[qq]BL[1570.117]
;W[on]WL[1696.996]
;B[oo]BL[1562.622]
;W[no]WL[1692.76]
;B[nn]BL[1561.135]
;W[mn]WL[1690.575]
;B[nm]BL[1559.655]
;W[lo]WL[1689.43]
;B[jp]BL[1542.682]
;W[pn]WL[1678.779]
;B[qn]BL[1495.392]
;W[rn]WL[1656.229]
;B[qo]BL[1493.688]
;W[pm]WL[1638.836]
;B[nk]BL[1478.257]
;W[qi]WL[1627.898]
;B[ph]BL[1473.41]
;W[nj]WL[1611.312]
(;B[ok]BL[1436.656]
;W[oj]WL[1597.618]
(;B[mk]BL[1421.309]
;W[kp]WL[1581.957]
;B[kq]BL[1412.215]
;W[ko]WL[1579.138]
;B[mj]BL[1400.125]
;W[nh]WL[1572.674]
;B[mh]BL[1393.071]
;W[mg]WL[1560.719]
;B[lh]BL[1391.631]
;W[og]WL[1514.299]TR[of]C[solaris [-\]: neeD?
Goprince [3d\]: lean on corner first?
]
(;B[of]BL[1354.943]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][mb][nb][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][ac][bc][cc][dc][ec][fc][gc][hc][ic][jc][kc][lc][mc][nc][pc][rc][sc][ad][bd][cd][ed][fd][gd][hd][id][jd][kd][ld][md][nd][od][pd][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][ce][de][ee][fe][ge][he][ie][je][ke][le][me][ne][oe][pe][qe][re][se][af][bf][cf][df][ef][ff][gf][hf][if][jf][kf][lf][mf][nf][of][pf][qf][rf][sf][ag][bg][cg][dg][eg][fg][gg][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][ng][pg][qg][rg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][hh][ih][jh][kh][lh][mh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][gi][hi][ii][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][dj][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][qj][rj][sj][ak][bk][ck][dk][ek][fk][gk][hk][ik][jk][kk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][pl][ql][rl][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][im][jm][km][lm][mm][nm][om][rm][sm][an][bn][cn][dn][en][fn][gn][hn][in][jn][kn][ln][nn][qn][sn][ao][bo][co][do][eo][fo][go][ho][io][jo][mo][oo][po][qo][ro][so][ap][bp][cp][ep][fp][gp][hp][ip][jp][lp][mp][op][pp][qp][rp][sp][aq][bq][cq][dq][eq][fq][gq][hq][iq][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][pq][qq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]
;W[lg]WL[1496.748]
;B[kg]BL[1349.352]C[solaris [-\]: letting w out
solaris [-\]: b not happy
]
;W[me]WL[1484.995]
;B[nd]BL[1340.012]
;W[kf]WL[1475.998]
;B[jg]BL[1319.821]
;W[le]WL[1471.013]
;B[nf]BL[1302.795]
;W[ng]WL[1462.598]
;B[qk]BL[1278.74]
;W[pk]WL[1453.661]
;B[jf]BL[1232.236]
;W[lc]WL[1442.796]
;B[kc]BL[1211.425]
;W[je]WL[1435.047]
;B[ie]BL[1200.815]
;W[jd]WL[1429.584]C[solaris [-\]: ok :)
solaris [-\]: hmm, hard with you all guys :))
Goprince [3d\]: can we look at the early part of our game?
Goprince [3d\]: lately ive been trying to work on my fuseki
solaris [-\]: hmm, i have to go now..
solaris [-\]: next time
Goprince [3d\]: ok
Goprince [3d\]: bye
Goprince [3d\]: tx again
solaris [-\]: bye bye
Koffein [-\]: thank you
solaris [-\]: thnaks all
]
(;B[rd]BL[1180.837]
;W[rc]WL[1414.6]
;B[ri]BL[1083.132]
;W[rj]WL[1293.256]
;B[qj]BL[1081.04]
;W[rk]WL[1260.395]
(;B[pb]BL[1048.179]
;W[ob]WL[1255.889]
;B[id]BL[943.12]
;W[jc]WL[1226.571]
;B[pi]BL[912.159]
;W[ql]WL[1223.163]
;B[pc]BL[846.988]
;W[pd]WL[1219.916]
;B[qd]BL[845.551]
;W[qb]WL[1215.68]
;B[od]BL[843.668]
;W[pa]WL[1201.148]
;B[ld]BL[794.096]
;W[kb]WL[1172.352]
;B[kd]BL[786.513]
;W[ke]WL[1166.791]
;B[lb]BL[781.197]
;W[gc]WL[1159.043]
;B[lq]BL[697.264]C[solaris [-\]: sorry, some net probelm
Koffein [-\]: np
]
;W[in]WL[968.178]C[Koffein [-\]: my net is worse ;-)
]
;B[gp]BL[646.663]
;W[jq]WL[957.322]
;B[iq]BL[639.717]
;W[jr]WL[944.116]
;B[ip]BL[629.417]
;W[qr]WL[934.175]
;B[pr]BL[602.134]
;W[pq]WL[920.312]
;B[rr]BL[597.239]
;W[qp]WL[910.654]
;B[rq]BL[596.092]
;W[or]WL[901.656]
;B[qs]BL[592.819]
;W[kr]WL[880.272]
;B[lr]BL[590.361]
;W[mr]WL[862.36]
;B[ir]BL[585.433]
;W[mq]WL[849.688]
;B[js]BL[582.863]
;W[dn]WL[840.16]
;B[cl]BL[543.319]
;W[kh]WL[822.814]
;B[ni]BL[529.452]
;W[oi]WL[807.376]
;B[mi]BL[527.861]
;W[oh]WL[788.246]
;B[ji]BL[494.994]
;W[if]WL[785.385]
;B[hf]BL[490.03]
;W[jh]WL[782.66]
;B[ig]BL[488.455]
;W[ih]WL[781.242]
;B[hh]BL[472.591]
;W[ii]WL[770.593]
;B[il]BL[413.269]
;W[hi]WL[767.531]
;B[km]BL[407.87]
;W[mm]WL[757.616]
;B[kk]BL[324.785]
;W[gh]WL[753.663]
;B[ml]BL[310.299]
;W[kn]WL[742.716]
;B[jm]BL[286.983]
;W[lm]WL[723.233]
;B[hg]BL[272.959]
;W[ll]WL[713.52]
;B[gl]BL[173.51]
;W[lk]WL[686.442]
;B[ki]BL[113.495]
;W[lj]WL[683.624]
(;B[gi]BL[86.915]
;W[gj]WL[672.076]
;B[fi]BL[85.313]
;W[li]WL[653.574]
;B[fj]BL[55.479]
;W[ij]WL[638.271]
;B[ik]BL[9.803]
;W[kj]WL[629.562]
;B[bn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cq]WL[450.033]
;B[co]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fq]WL[441.539]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[380.057]
;B[bd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cc]WL[140.186]
;B[cf]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ge]WL[110.028]
;B[ef]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[gr]WL[101.22]
;B[jn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[do]WL[59.464]
;B[bc]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bb]WL[50.533]
;B[cd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[dc]WL[33.548]
;B[bp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bq]WL[10.507]
;B[pc]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ra]WL[7.03]
;B[ab]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ba]WL[4.916]
;B[jb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ib]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[de]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[dl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[dk]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[bm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ja]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[gn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jo]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fp]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[el]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[em]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[mp]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ks]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[dl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ek]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[qi]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qj]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[sd]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[se]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[sc]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qe]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ck]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ap]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ao]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[aq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[cn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[dm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[cp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ff]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ee]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[eg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hd]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[hn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ho]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[im]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gf]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gg]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ic]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[he]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pp]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[hk]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hj]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[fn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[hr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[hq]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hs]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[si]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[sh]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[sj]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fk]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jj]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[sl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[sn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qi]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[mf]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[os]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ns]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[nb]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[la]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ka]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pe]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pb]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[mc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pd]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ma]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pc]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[sm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[sk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ls]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ms]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gs]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[]WL[60]OW[5]TW[ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][qa][sa][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][jb][rb][sb][ec][fc][hc][ed][gd][fe][lf][lh][mh][ji][ki][mi][ni][mj][mk][nk][ok][ml][nl][ol][pl][nm][om][en][ln][nn][eo][mo][ep][dq][eq][nq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][fr][nr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs]TB[lc][ad][ae][be][ce][re][af][bf][df][if][rf][sf][ag][bg][cg][dg][rg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][rh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][aj][bj][cj][dj][ej][ak][bk][al][bl][am][an][in][rn][bo][io][so][hp][sp][jq][sq][jr][kr][qr][sr][rs][ss]C[Koffein [-\]: thx
solaris [-\]: thank you
Koffein [-\]: oops
solaris [-\]: center too big
Koffein [-\]: hmm
])
(;B[li]C[solaris [-\]: van't?
solaris [-\]: can't
]
(;W[fi])
(;W[gi]C[Koffein [-\]: i was not sure .. black looks heavy everywhere
solaris [-\]: well, you try too much :)
solaris [-\]: in beginning
])))
(;B[ob]C[solaris [-\]: isn't better?
Goprince [3d\]: s16 w is happy
solaris [-\]: yes
]
(;W[pb]
;B[nb]C[solaris [-\]: this way w not so alive
Goprince [3d\]: l18 sente tho
])
(;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[nb]
;B[na]
;W[pb]C[Goprince [3d\]: s16 feels soft
]
;B[kd]
;W[ke]
;B[mf]
;W[lf]
;B[hc]C[Goprince [3d\]: b was thik enough for ore agressive i feel
Goprince [3d\]: thick
])))
(;B[pb]C[solaris [-\]: direct?
]
(;W[ob]
;B[pc]
;W[pd]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[rc]
;W[qd]
;B[ra]
;W[sb]
;B[sc]C[Goprince [3d\]: yes w dies
solaris [-\]: not good for w
])
(;W[pc]
;B[ob]
;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[nb]
;B[na]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[qb]
(;B[ma]
;W[re]C[Goprince [3d\]: n19 at s16
]
(;B[id])
(;B[hc]))
(;B[rd]C[Goprince [3d\]: slooks dead
Goprince [3d\]: looks*
solaris [-\]: right
solaris [-\]: here b loose w from hand
]
;W[qa]))))
(;B[lg]C[solaris [-\]: can't suround?
Koffein [-\]: hmm
]
(;W[pe]
;B[pf]C[Goprince [3d\]: the uglier cut at q14 looks annoying
]
;W[of]
;B[pd]
;W[ne]
;B[od]C[Syptryn [4d\]: black play soem sente moves in corner then suround :)
])
(;W[pf]C[Syptryn [4d\]: o11 
solaris [-\]: hmm, bad aji indeed
]
;B[pe]C[Syptryn [4d\]: to cut white
]
;W[qe]C[solaris [-\]: this?
Syptryn [4d\]: before
]
(;B[qd]C[Syptryn [4d\]: black can live
]
;W[re]
;B[rd]
;W[rf]C[Goprince [3d\]: ko
Syptryn [4d\]: oh
]
;B[pd]
;W[qg]
;B[rc]C[Syptryn [4d\]: I thought atari s-15 and live :)
solaris [-\]: is big corner
])
(;B[re]
;W[qd]C[Goprince [3d\]: w is also not small
]
;B[rg]C[solaris [-\]: or better?
]
;W[ri]
;B[pg]
;W[of]
;B[rh]
;W[ne]C[Syptryn [4d\]: hmmm
]
;B[nd]
;W[od]
;B[me]
;W[nf]
;B[fc]C[Goprince [3d\]: prefer white
Syptryn [4d\]: got
])))
(;B[rd]C[solaris [-\]: yes, maybe better
Syptryn [4d\]: what about r9 ?
]
;W[rc]C[Syptryn [4d\]: prob
]
;B[lg]LB[lg:A]C[Syptryn [4d\]: probe
solaris [-\]: anyway if b can A
solaris [-\]: should be good
solaris [-\]: anyway A should be the move:)
]
;W[pe]
(;B[of]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]
;W[qe]
;B[oh]
;W[ng]
;B[ni]
;W[oi]
;B[mi]
;W[ne]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[od]
;W[qg]
;B[mf]
;W[rh]
;B[nf]C[Goprince [3d\]: better to let black live
solaris [-\]: too easy for w
])
(;B[pd]))
(;B[rc]C[solaris [-\]: or more?
solaris [-\]: s17
solaris [-\]: make corner alive
solaris [-\]: too easy
Goprince [3d\]: more reading needed for this
solaris [-\]: so, 
]))
(;B[mj]
;W[ni]TR[ni]C[solaris [-\]: is like now w here
]))
(;B[mj]C[solaris [-\]: hane?
]
;W[ni]
;B[ok]
;W[oj]))
(;B[qq])
(;B[om]))
(;B[pb]C[solaris [-\]: this kill?
]
;W[qe]C[Syptryn [4d\]: feel black too weak outside
Syptryn [4d\]: to kill
solaris [-\]: yes
Goprince [3d\]: hard for w to die with no aji
Syptryn [4d\]: yeah
solaris [-\]: yes
solaris [-\]: outside b strong
solaris [-\]: but not this is the pint
solaris [-\]: why n18
solaris [-\]: when so big moves 
]
;B[rf]
;W[ob]
;B[pc]
;W[pd]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]C[Koffein [-\]: but hard for white to do anything on the outside?
])
(;B[rd]
(;W[nb])
(;W[qd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[ob]
;W[pb]
;B[nc]
;W[pe]
;B[pf]
;W[od]C[solaris [-\]: looks too ahrd to kill
solaris [-\]: i mean
solaris [-\]: in few secs i don't see why n18 is sente
])))
(;B[pk]LB[mb:A]C[solaris [-\]: later can
solaris [-\]: i prefer playing normal big moves:)
solaris [-\]: and wait for sensitive sente:)
solaris [-\]: like A
])
(;B[jp]C[solaris [-\]: or go huge style
]))
