(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[Vo1d]WR[3p]BR[4d]DT[2011-10-18]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Vo1d [4d\]: hello
Vo1d [4d\]: have a nice game !
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1783.679]C[breakfast [3p\]: Have a good game!
]
;W[dd]WL[1765.528]
;B[pp]BL[1780.647]
;W[dp]WL[1761.198]
;B[fc]BL[1774.436]
;W[cf]WL[1754.262]
;B[jd]BL[1766.602]
;W[qf]WL[1744.598]
;B[qh]BL[1745.029]
;W[qc]WL[1740.875]
;B[pc]BL[1741.16]
;W[qd]WL[1735.84]
;B[pe]BL[1736.979]
;W[rf]WL[1731.149]
;B[og]BL[1732.112]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: opening looks rather nice for b
Shinichi56 [-\]: joseki
]
;W[nq]WL[1706.423]
;B[np]BL[1729.317]C[DirtFarmer [?\]: opening looks rather nice for w
]
;W[mp]WL[1691.314]C[eslite [3k\]: opening looks rather nice for me
]
;B[no]BL[1722.877]C[cloudo [3k\]: i would take b here
cloudo [3k\]: well
]
;W[oq]WL[1680.449]
;B[pq]BL[1720.381]
;W[kq]WL[1675.599]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4 seems.. crude..
cloudo [3k\]: still i dont like o4
]
;B[pn]BL[1691.155]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: as there is s12 for w, this side is not the good direction
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r12 a bit too far away
]
;W[dn]WL[1667.208]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: with the cutting aji etc, w can probably live in r9 area if he wants to
]
;B[jp]BL[1596.336]
;W[kp]WL[1647.587]
;B[jo]BL[1590.88]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, b play sure seems consistent if nothing else.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j2 m6 
]
;W[ko]WL[1608.221]
;B[jn]BL[1566.361]
;W[lm]WL[1605.643]
;B[jl]BL[1550.303]
;W[lk]WL[1598.651]
;B[jj]BL[1519.325]
;W[dk]WL[1544.077]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: m11 
mw [-\]: i wish i saw one of these offers so i can try to win with 9 stones ><
]
;B[li]BL[1501.636]
;W[hc]WL[1534.621]C[cloudo [3k\]: its not for everyone
cloudo [3k\]: breakfast isnt just greedy at go ;-)
mw [-\]: oh? do they pay for these?
TaoHua [3k?\]: he is also greedy for cash
cloudo [3k\]: teh agem said something like
mw [-\]: teh agem? what language is that?
]
;B[hd]BL[1360.489]C[cloudo [3k\]: xy league only
cloudo [3k\]: the game
mw [-\]: oh, i see. ty
]
;W[ic]WL[1502.151]C[mw [-\]: too bad ;-/
Hanatarash [4k\]: j16
]
;B[id]BL[1303.617]C[mw [-\]: i think the simul players should scheme to try to get breakfast to lose the majority of the simul games. they should all start complicated fighting games
]
;W[jc]WL[1450.53]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: lol
Beetlebum [12k\]: wouldn't work
pok [5k\]: l17 g17 g16 e17 that is famous no ?
Hanatarash [4k\]: c17
]
;B[kc]BL[1188.827]
;W[kb]WL[1441.091]
(;B[lc]BL[1185.411]
;W[gc]WL[1398.46]
;B[gd]BL[1182.781]C[cloudo [3k\]: belgian chocolate is the worst häagen-dazs :(
]
;W[ec]WL[1386.809]C[breakfast [3p\]: E17 - too good
quitebad [7k?\]: Connect, you should meet me. I'm actually quite likable in general.
breakfast [3p\]: see you again!
Vo1d [4d\]: ok, ty
quitebad [7k?\]: I am just rather independent.
Vo1d [4d\]: bye !
cloudo [3k\]: was c4 alive?
mw [-\]: homeless life is easy? lol... oookay
quitebad [7k?\]: I believe people should figure things out themselves, and I like to equally be left alone. And yes, I do lean libertarian on fiscal matters.
AutoAtari [2k\]: quitebad you are quite bad :)
quitebad [7k?\]: mw, have you ever met a homeless person? We kept some on our house when I was a kid.
mw [-\]: quite an idiot. or quite young and knows nothing
quitebad [7k?\]: A close friend of mine voluntarily chose to live homeless for a while.
AutoAtari [2k\]: freegan?
mw [-\]: "for a while" until hunger and cold and disease became a problem
szum [8k\]: quitebad: it's nice to go running in the rain if you want to, but that doesn't mean that being stuck in the rain is always nice.... homeless life is very hard for many people
quitebad [7k?\]: You don't get it. Go stand on a curb and ask for money for an hour; you'd be shocked how much you can make in my city. That might vary, but... 
quitebad [7k?\]: And yes, but it's easy to do nothing. Not comfortable, but easy.
mw [-\]: fool
quitebad [7k?\]: I disagree.
quitebad [7k?\]: That doesn't make me a fool.
quitebad [7k?\]: I can respect your opinion.
quitebad [7k?\]: I know where you're coming from.
quitebad [7k?\]: I don't think poorly of you.
szum [8k\]: do you?
quitebad [7k?\]: You should consider lending me the same courtesy.
quitebad [7k?\]: De kie ekzakte vi venas? Montru al mi kion mi ne scias.
quitebad [7k?\]: bonvolu.
szum [8k\]: Kion?
szum [8k\]: Ah... do
szum [8k\]: Estas komplika
szum [8k\]: mi vivadis en malsamaj kontinentoj
Sekre [13k?\]: i agree, he thinks different and are entitled to discuss it... of fair grounds
Sekre [13k?\]: on*
quitebad [7k?\]: mi ankaux... 3 kontinentoj.
szum [8k\]: quitebad: what's reasonable for an 18 year old with no dependents and above average intelligence isn't reasonable for one with kids and below average intelligence, or who's handicapped, or....
szum [8k\]: *you* might be fine being homeless, but plenty of people aren't
quitebad [7k?\]: gah, got a phone call, mom getting back in from out of country...
szum [8k\]: it's not impossible for some individuals to beat the odds and go to college in the US despite poverty
szum [8k\]: that doesn't make it easy, or mean that most can
quitebad [7k?\]: Well.
quitebad [7k?\]: It's not that hard to get a minimum wage job in the US where I am.
szum [8k\]: and if you tell me that people with 3 kids who don't speak the language of the country they're in and are in a tent in winter in cold climates have it easy, I can't take that seriously
quitebad [7k?\]: On minimum wage, you can get low wage housing.
quitebad [7k?\]: THAT is a valid point.
quitebad [7k?\]: There is no really cold weather where I am.
szum [8k\]: that makes a huge, huge difference for homelessness
quitebad [7k?\]: I don't think it's smart to have three kids when you can't afford it, of course.
szum [8k\]: that's nice, but it's not always a choice - especially if someone wasn't educated in the first place
szum [8k\]: not everyone has the US's *elementary* school system
quitebad [7k?\]: And I don't know if I'd want to move to a foreign country with three kids if I didn't know what I was doing there or know I could support myself. And there are some sticky situations. But that is an immigrant, I don't feel like the US is responsible for solving all of the world's problems and those of every person who comes here.
szum [8k\]: quitebad: if the alternative is starving or living in a warzone, plenty of people will chose to move
szum [8k\]: but even if you stick to people born in the US
szum [8k\]: there's plenty of cold weather, and unemployment is high
szum [8k\]: and plenty of people fail at getting minimum wage jobs
szum [8k\]: and people's financial situations change - plenty of people are much poorer now than they were 3 years ago
quitebad [7k?\]: You're listing absurdly rare conditions. Not many people are here who don't speak English and have three kids living in a tent in the cold. Most of the immigrants here live in the south, where the weather is not that bad.
szum [8k\]: if no one who had any risk of not being able to afford kids had them, every country in the world would have a huge demographic crisis
szum [8k\]: it's not an absurd condition; I've met people like this, on the street - in the UK in this case
szum [8k\]: there's plenty of poverty in the north too, immigrant and non-immigrant
szum [8k\]: the point is, for some people it's a heck of a lot easier than for others
szum [8k\]: having kids isn't rare. being turned down from minimum wage jobs for being overqualified isn't rare
szum [8k\]: being able to manage a job and university at the same time is also next to impossible for many people
quitebad [7k?\]: ...then you don't list your overqualifications.
szum [8k\]: sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
quitebad [7k?\]: That I don't accept...
quitebad [7k?\]: It's just hard work.
szum [8k\]: i physically wouldn't be able to do it
quitebad [7k?\]: And a lot of people won't do that.
szum [8k\]: my health isn't good enough
szum [8k\]: plenty of other people can't either
szum [8k\]: (and yes, I have a degree - but I wasn't working while I got it)
quitebad [7k?\]: I do believe in universal health care to a degree, but that's a different question...
szum [8k\]: likewise
quitebad [7k?\]: health you can't help, university you can.
szum [8k\]: I have good healthcare, but I simply don't have the physical constitution to do university and a job at the same time
szum [8k\]: or to work two jobs
quitebad [7k?\]: There are enough ways to make money online, then. You just can't handle hard hours?
szum [8k\]: I'm aware of that - I'm a computer person. most people aren't
szum [8k\]: and nope, I can't handle hard hours
szum [8k\]: a regular job, or uni, I can do
szum [8k\]: both? I'd be screwed
szum [8k\]: and your average homeless person doesn't have the skillset to start making much money online, even if they can figure out a way to
szum [8k\]: there are exceptions
szum [8k\]: but they are the exception
quitebad [7k?\]: I'm sure I sound heartless, but I don't believe in trying to save everyone through the government. It doesn't work long term. If you're saying you can't work hard, don't do it. I really can't imagine that you couldn't be resourseful enough to do uni and job part time and make it work.
szum [8k\]: I had to drop out of high school twice due to ill health; I really couldn't
quitebad [7k?\]: Where I am, I had no difficulty getting a 15/hour part time job in something I had no experience doing by just playing things smart.
szum [8k\]: good for you; plenty of people would really really love a 15/hour job
quitebad [7k?\]: And? I'm aware.
quitebad [7k?\]: But how many people are fighting to find one?
szum [8k\]: quite a lot
quitebad [7k?\]: I wanted one badly enough, I fought for it. Where are the fighters? I don't see them.
quitebad [7k?\]: I see depression, I see pity.
szum [8k\]: you don't see them
quitebad [7k?\]: I don't see people fighting.
szum [8k\]: i'm not claiming everyone is trying - that would be absurd
szum [8k\]: what i'm saying is that even some people who try, fail
szum [8k\]: very different
quitebad [7k?\]: Well, we were talking about the smart ones earlier, and we were just talking about uni... Which, assuming you can have a functioning life, you can do in the US without too much difficulty.
quitebad [7k?\]: For homeless disabled people in the cold with kids who don't speak the language--
szum [8k\]: you were talking about homeless people who want to do uni
quitebad [7k?\]: well, you know what, I don't have it figured out for them.
quitebad [7k?\]: No, homeless people got brought in later.
szum [8k\]: ok
quitebad [7k?\]: I think lots of homeless people are there because of mental disabilities.
quitebad [7k?\]: Lots, not all of course.
quitebad [7k?\]: The other part is homeless culture.
quitebad [7k?\]: And then there is a minority of people with legitimately hard conditions just in a bad jam.
szum [8k\]: simply put, your odds of doing uni in the US vary with your economic situation, and while it's not impossible for *some* individuals to overcome, this tends to be self-perpetuating
szum [8k\]: yes, lots of homeless people have mental health problems
szum [8k\]: which makes everything much harder
quitebad [7k?\]: But for that minority, I wouldn't have everyone taxed more to run an inefficient public uni system.
quitebad [7k?\]: if they have mental health problems, are they really the university type anyways?
quitebad [7k?\]: University is not a human right. It costs money.
quitebad [7k?\]: Someone has to pay.
szum [8k\]: some are, some aren't
szum [8k\]: university isn't a human right
szum [8k\]: whether a society ends up shooting itself in the foot with how it handles it is another matter
szum [8k\]: whether that's through excessive public costs, or by making it too unaffordable
quitebad [7k?\]: There's no universal law that says I have to pay for others to go to university. I'm sure I could get in, but I'm debating whether I even want to right now. Does that mean I should be taxed so others can? I'm willing to pay my way through if it comes to that, whatever the odds. That's just how it is.
quitebad [7k?\]: Fine.
quitebad [7k?\]: Society will shoot itself in the foot one way or another.
szum [8k\]: the US isn't at either extreme in that, but it *does* make it harder for low-income people to go to university - and most people who are at the age most people start university at have had rather limited input into their economic situation
quitebad [7k?\]: Because it will somehow benefit whoever is holding the gun. That's humanity.
quitebad [7k?\]: And that's why I don't want to be the one paying for the bullets.
szum [8k\]: while that's a reasonable philosophical position, I don't think that that's what incited anyone earli]
;B[de]BL[1180.058]C[gbhnj: hah
]
;W[cd]WL[1350.347]C[mw [-\]: what is the japanese term for "kick"
Hanatarash [4k\]: d15 was aji keshi??
Shinichi56 [-\]: tesuji from guli i think
Shinichi56 [-\]: w has to c16 
]
;B[ed]BL[1013.044]C[Kaptain85 [5k\]: has Breakfast every played aganist someone at his one lvl :D
]
;W[fb]WL[1344.139]
;B[fd]BL[1011.126]
;W[db]WL[1342.134]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: yes
]
;B[df]BL[1008.354]
;W[ce]WL[1338.96]TR[no][np]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: im sure he has :0
breakfast [3p\]: O4-O5
quitebad [7k?\]: Connect, those people obviously aren't trying to get ahead in life.
breakfast [3p\]: bad joseki choice
]
;B[dh]BL[994.018]C[Kaptain85 [5k\]: Well I nerver seen it
mw [-\]: it seems it's just "kosumi tsuke" as you might expect.
]
;W[iq]WL[1320.76]C[Kaptain85 [5k\]: I don't speak japanesse
Kaptain85 [5k\]: sry
]
;B[dr]BL[875.875]
;W[dq]WL[1294.831]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: c3
kodysh [10k\]: e2
Beetlebum [12k\]: a1
Beetlebum [12k\]: :D
Beetlebum [12k\]: the steak sauce can never be wrong 
Hanatarash [4k\]: w+ time
]
;B[cr]BL[701.607]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: :0
]
;W[er]WL[1269.197]C[Visionaire [1d\]: there's still byo-yomi, but if b goes into it too early in game, he will have pressure
]
;B[bp]BL[690.505]
;W[bo]WL[1256.418]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: true true
cloudo [3k\]: w will surly give time if b asks for it
gooooo [?\]: corner alive?
Hanatarash [4k\]: ko
Hanatarash [4k\]: corner or side
]
;B[eq]BL[544.929]
;W[ep]WL[1239.321]C[cloudo [3k\]: e3 was bad idea
]
;B[co]BL[498.996]C[AsSeenOnTV [3d\]: dont think so
]
;W[bn]WL[1158.758]C[cloudo [3k\]: for what is it?
]
;B[cn]BL[479.392]C[cloudo [3k\]: for f2 later?
BD96 [3d\]: aji,just aji
]
;W[cm]WL[1137.828]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: f3 later mayb
BD96 [3d\]: f3/f2/h3
BD96 [3d\]: etc
cloudo [3k\]: helping ther corner very much
cloudo [3k\]: the*
]
;B[fq]BL[437.102]C[AsSeenOnTV [3d\]: k3 h2, maybe. but as BD said: just aji
]
;W[fr]WL[1099.389]
;B[gq]BL[406.133]C[xiuce: before f3 should K3 and then H2
cloudo [3k\]: but still
xiuce: 3libs to 4 libs 
]
;W[gr]WL[1038.717]C[AsSeenOnTV [3d\]: i liked e3, but  what is the black plan now?
]
;B[jq]BL[395.679]C[cloudo [3k\]: c2 at e2 maybe better for b
kodysh [10k\]: i said that along time ago
Beetlebum [12k\]: lol
BD96 [3d\]: but no one listens to 10k!
szum [8k\]: I do? ;)
xiuce: the corner is not alive
BD96 [3d\]: no one i said
kodysh [10k\]: yea figures
kodysh [10k\]: we r right sometimes
AsSeenOnTV [3d\]: i said it three games before, and nobody listened :-(
]
;W[jr]WL[960.243]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: tsk tsk
]
;B[hq]BL[382.067]C[Beetlebum [12k\]: such is life :D
]
;W[hr]WL[954.038]
;B[ip]BL[366.988]
;W[ir]WL[939.219]
;B[go]BL[355.052]C[xiuce: b3
cloudo [3k\]: no need
]
;W[dg]WL[917.419]
;B[eg]BL[351.887]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: e13 wrong direction`
Hanatarash [4k\]: ??
Shinichi56 [-\]: no
BD96 [3d\]: absoulotly no
szum [8k\]: very much no
Hanatarash [4k\]: center is that big?
cloudo [3k\]: lol c13 for b?
Hanatarash [4k\]: maybe c13 noit directly 
Hanatarash [4k\]: but  side is huge soon
BD96 [3d\]: c13 is disastrous
Hanatarash [4k\]: never said c13
BD96 [3d\]: c13 doesnt take w side
BD96 [3d\]: ph
BD96 [3d\]: oh
cloudo [3k\]: how many other directuons do u see there?
BD96 [3d\]: any way no
cloudo [3k\]: directions*
Shinichi56 [-\]: poor guy
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b c4 doesnt work, or just too small?
cloudo [3k\]: c4, e6?
audio [1k\]: if b gets c4 he can live?
kis [6k\]: not really
]
;W[cg]WL[672.241]
;B[ei]BL[349.84]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: i think c4 is does work
]
;W[fk]WL[664.497]
;B[ml]BL[339.224]C[cloudo [3k\]: there is no living shape in the corner with c4, no?
WhiteLight [5k\]: c4 c3 b3 b1
]
;W[ll]WL[650.543]
;B[mk]BL[336.989]
;W[rh]WL[645.033]
;B[qi]BL[331.268]
;W[ri]WL[642.818]
;B[rj]BL[329.565]
;W[rk]WL[636.345]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: there is b7 aji to help
Hanatarash [4k\]: c4 b3 b7 indeed
audio [1k\]: yeah and thendd5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: which might be enough to get b one inside sente move, which is then enough to make living shape
xiuce: cant t10
xiuce: r10
cloudo [3k\]: c4, e7
BD96 [3d\]: b maybe can make life there
Syhe [3d\]: b is dead in corner
cloudo [3k\]: i cant see anything there, but what do i konw
BD96 [3d\]: oh no he cant
Syhe [3d\]: if b c4
Syhe [3d\]: w d5
zzzzzzz22 [3k\]: welcome to join our league, if you like to get teaching games too! http://insei-league.com/
BD96 [3d\]: w just defends at E7
Syhe [3d\]: and if black tries to cut
Sekre [13k?\]: I c ko, but then again im 13k? =P
Syhe [3d\]: then w c3
BD96 [3d\]: d5 may give b life
Syhe [3d\]: and cut at b2, kills b
]
;B[rg]BL[212.597]C[BD96 [3d\]: w E7 is enough
Syhe [3d\]: e7 not enough
xiuce: ????
]
;W[qj]WL[621.848]C[xiuce: omg
]
;B[sh]BL[210.723]
;W[sj]WL[616.754]
;B[qg]BL[209.416]C[Syhe [3d\]: b2 lives
Ootakamoku [2d\]: syhe, c4 d5 c3 and w has to add inside move, then b can use d7 aji since he has more libs
]
;W[rn]WL[584.181]
;B[qb]BL[205.306]C[BD96 [3d\]: my mean is
BD96 [3d\]: if b c4
xiuce: ko?
BD96 [3d\]: w e7
BD96 [3d\]: or d7
]
;W[rb]WL[564.389]C[Syhe [3d\]: if w e7
]
;B[ra]BL[203.412]C[BD96 [3d\]: e7
Syhe [3d\]: then b lives with b1
Ootakamoku [2d\]: yes, I know bd, and I Agree with e7
BD96 [3d\]: just e7
]
;W[pb]WL[550.992]C[Syhe [3d\]: e7 doesnt work to kill b
cloudo [3k\]: woah b1... O.o
joossy [1k\]: ko
]
;B[pa]BL[201.774]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: s19 nice
BD96 [3d\]: ohh
]
;W[qa]WL[548.864]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: always forget about
BD96 [3d\]: right
]
;B[qm]BL[190.377]
;W[rm]WL[540.199]
;B[qb]BL[188.791]
;W[ob]WL[537.863]
;B[rc]BL[186.234]
;W[qa]WL[534.939]
;B[ql]BL[183.584]C[Syhe [3d\]: that's the worst ko to fight lol
cloudo [3k\]: omg b1 awesome :)
Syhe [3d\]: b1 lives
]
;W[rl]WL[518.244]
;B[qb]BL[182.296]C[Syhe [3d\]: you have to exchange a5 firast
Noemis [3d\]: c4 e7 b1 a2 ?
Syhe [3d\]: a5 first
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b1 a2 and then?
xiuce: t11
]
;W[sb]WL[490.996]C[cloudo [3k\]: very nice!!
]
;B[sc]BL[180.702]C[Syhe [3d\]: but b is dead
Syhe [3d\]: because w can d5
Syhe [3d\]: d5 kills
]
;W[qa]WL[477.366]C[BD96 [3d\]: a5 a must?
Syhe [3d\]: w d5 kills unconditionally
]
;B[rp]BL[158.683]C[Syhe [3d\]: b c4
Syhe [3d\]: w d5
BD96 [3d\]: no,w e7
BD96 [3d\]: less aji
]
;W[qk]WL[447.55]
;B[qb]BL[157.046]C[Sekre [13k?\]: but cant b use lower left to fight this ko?
BD96 [3d\]: b can still cut with d5
cloudo [3k\]: with a2 pokin the cut at b2 in the end?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e14 biggest threat?
Hanatarash [4k\]: e14 to small i think
]
;W[fh]WL[383.65]C[xiuce: p19,s19,s18,t18,r19 ,another ko
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ignore
Hanatarash [4k\]: its big
Hanatarash [4k\]: at least bigger than e14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: if b answers this, he has to answer alot of followup threats too
Syhe [3d\]: yeah just ignore
]
;B[eh]BL[117.679]C[Syhe [3d\]: corner too big
Syhe [3d\]: wow
]
;W[qa]WL[379.897]
;B[sg]BL[113.458]C[idiomatic [4d\]: cant ignore thats like a gazillion points :P
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its only like 30 points I think
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok, maybe a bit more, like 45
BD96 [3d\]: gazillion lol 
pok [5k\]: i like the only
klausP [4d?\]: cant w live in the corner without ko?
Syhe [3d\]: it's more like 40+
Syhe [3d\]: count influence
Hanatarash [4k\]: ignore and kill n9 ^^
Hanatarash [4k\]: sniles**
]
;W[qo]WL[269.27]C[Nation [3k\]: well that's not fun lol
Hanatarash [4k\]: nice awnser
]
;B[qb]BL[99.236]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: wow
]
;W[qp]WL[246.579]C[kookwekker [2d\]: c4 lives ?
Syhe [3d\]: so i hope b realizes b2 corner is dead
]
;B[qq]BL[87.254]C[Syhe [3d\]: even if he plays c4
]
;W[qa]WL[236.188]
;B[si]BL[75.195]C[BD96 [3d\]: didnt u say b1 make it alive?
xiuce: s5
Syhe [3d\]: not if w d5
]
;W[po]WL[226.876]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b1 a2 
BD96 [3d\]: but b can cut at B7 then
BD96 [3d\]: after b1
Syhe [3d\]: not enough liberties
MegAaMiNd [9k\]: is that quinten tarrintino ?
Syhe [3d\]: after c4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm
BD96 [3d\]: he does
Syhe [3d\]:  b block b3
Syhe [3d\]: white cut b2
Syhe [3d\]: shortage of liberties
]
;B[op]BL[26.224]C[BD96 [3d\]: im not sure
Syhe [3d\]: i read it out already
kodysh [10k\]: hey beetle lets play
MegAaMiNd [9k\]: that pic look like tarrintino...
]
;W[on]WL[206.686]C[zum [-\]: fill
Beetlebum [12k\]: sure
kookwekker [2d\]: c4, e7, b1?, w a2, b a5?
BD96 [3d\]: C4 d5 b2! a1 b7
Syhe [3d\]: b8
Syhe [3d\]: d7
Syhe [3d\]: look
Syhe [3d\]: bd96
]
;B[om]BL[60]OB[5]C[BD96 [3d\]: ?
Syhe [3d\]: come to my game
BD96 [3d\]: k
]
;W[nn]WL[184.988]C[cloudo [3k\]: ld50
]
;B[mn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[mm]WL[174.292]
;B[nm]BL[60]OB[5]C[Pup [1d?\]: hello friends, enjoying this game?
]
;W[oo]WL[136.574]C[MegAaMiNd [9k\]: yes
]
;B[mo]BL[60]OB[5]C[kolayn112 [4k\]: нол
]
;W[ro]WL[100.026]
;B[kn]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: p19
MegAaMiNd [9k\]: did white have handi ?
]
;W[qb]WL[68.425]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: sure
szum [8k\]: no
b3n [3k\]: yes
szum [8k\]: ah
Visionaire [1d\]: c4 d5 c3 for b, lots of liberties to cut at d7 and if w protects, b can live in corner
AutoAtari [2k\]: no
xiuce: P9
]
;B[ok]BL[60]OB[5]C[b3n [3k\]: 0.5 komi = 1 stone handicap
]
;W[pf]WL[53.728]C[xiuce: black loses
Visionaire [1d\]: so b1 will be the move only if w responds with e7 for c4
]
;B[of]BL[60]OB[5]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: then you can say b had handi, not w
]
;W[oj]WL[38.4]
;B[nj]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[oi]WL[60]OW[5]C[charlie28 [9k\]: F9 very sharp
]
;B[rj]BL[60]OB[4]C[xiuce: s3
breakfast [3p\]: pls add some time
xiuce: or after q10 then s3
Vo1d [4d\]: sure, sry
zum [-\]: q10
breakfast [3p\]: thx
]
;W[ri]WL[236.029]C[easyRobot [1k\]: why thanks ?
]
;B[pj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[nd]WL[223.52]C[b3n [3k\]: he has won
szum [8k\]: time was added
]
;B[ne]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[md]WL[215.996]
;B[le]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ik]WL[207.168]C[xiuce: j9
cloudo [3k\]: visionaire, can u give a sequence how to use the b7 cut to live?
]
;B[gk]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gj]WL[183.145]C[b3n [3k\]: 3p says it's dead
BD96 [3d\]: we checked all now
]
;B[hj]BL[60]OB[4]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: he didn't actually say it, did he?
BD96 [3d\]: and c4 make it alive
]
;W[gl]WL[170.587]C[Syhe [3d\]: c4 alive
]
;B[hk]BL[60]OB[4]C[MegAaMiNd [9k\]: wow white is good 
Syhe [3d\]: if b plays c4
]
;W[hl]WL[161.159]C[redundant [1k\]: yo syhe
Syhe [3d\]: hi redundant
Syhe [3d\]: who are you
cloudo [3k\]: great sequence...
]
;B[ij]BL[60]OB[4]C[redundant [1k\]: I live 5 floors above you
cloudo [3k\]: here is my sequence to live: c4...
Syhe [3d\]: you know where i live?
]
;W[fi]WL[128.516]C[redundant [1k\]: I'm trying to be discreet ...
redundant [1k\]: this is travis
Syhe [3d\]: ohhhhh
]
;B[fl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[fm]WL[117.347]C[Syhe [3d\]: wait... you have two accounts?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f8 looks so weird
]
;B[el]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ek]WL[114.969]C[redundant [1k\]: ... I have at least 4
BD96 [3d\]: thats it
BD96 [3d\]: b is dead
Syhe [3d\]: ok now b dead
Syhe [3d\]: lol
Syhe [3d\]: that's a pity, he lost a lot more points than he realized
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w should say thx for that
kis [6k\]: corner now ok?
Syhe [3d\]: now d5 works
kis [6k\]: right
AutoAtari [2k\]: I'm not sure the d7 cut worked before..
cloudo [3k\]: well
BD96 [3d\]: it worked
]
;B[bm]BL[60]OB[2]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: but if 3d says so, I'm willing to believe :p
Visionaire [1d\]: cloudo, too many variations to post all here in chat, but main differece was that after b c4, if w plays d5, b replies with c3, and w has to protect cut and b lives in corner with b1, if after c4 w protects outside weakness with e7, then b has enough liberties to live with b1 straight
cloudo [3k\]: i would prefere a sequence
BD96 [3d\]: O.O
]
;W[bl]WL[95.251]C[BD96 [3d\]: b7 is wierd
BD96 [3d\]: why no just c4???
]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[2]C[BD96 [3d\]: wtf???
]
;W[cl]WL[87.879]C[Syhe [3d\]: we kinda read this out completely, b is under time pressure
]
;B[en]BL[60]OB[2]C[cloudo [3k\]: ok thank you
BD96 [3d\]: i mean
cloudo [3k\]: at least a 1dan is willing to help a kyu
BD96 [3d\]: why w played b8 and not c4
xiuce: c4
]
;W[do]WL[57.564]
;B[fn]BL[60]OB[2]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: then b could connect under, but I doubt it matters
BD96 [3d\]: if w would play c4 it all was fine
]
;W[cp]WL[37.067]
;B[gi]BL[60]OB[2]C[klausP [4d?\]: wow
klausP [4d?\]: well done by b
]
;W[fj]WL[30.267]
;B[gg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gh]WL[23.406]
;B[hh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hi]WL[11.202]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[fg]WL[3.861]
;B[ff]BL[60]OB[2]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: yeah, that was pretty nice, killing center in sente
xiuce: c11
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its only b+30
]
;W[pk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pi]BL[60]OB[2]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: maybe a bit less
]
;W[ol]WL[60]OW[5]C[atarinogo [13k\]: w has the entire outer edge of the board, b has the center
]
;B[nk]BL[60]OB[2]C[jytsao [3k?\]: game over
Ootakamoku [2d\]: wow..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w alive
keikoku [2d\]: w had S3 all the time :)
]
;W[qn]WL[60]OW[5]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh
b3n [3k\]: w always alive
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok
jytsao [3k?\]: yea, was wondering why se called that dead
Ootakamoku [2d\]: Im blind as always
AutoAtari [2k\]: ^^
urtok [11k?\]: :)
yeahh [5k\]: 3p's not dead that easy 
AutoAtari [2k\]: just q7, or am I missing something?
hauki [1d?\]: w corners are quite big. actually it looks like he's ahead by a good margin
]
;B[pm]BL[60]OB[1]C[b3n [3k\]: you're  missing something
]
;W[pl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[nl]BL[60]OB[1]C[Noemis [3d\]: hum
AutoAtari [2k\]: then let's see what
Syhe [3d\]: i think w -80, b-65
atarinogo [13k\]: w outer edges look bigger to me than b center
mw [-\]: p12 
Syhe [3d\]: w definitely won
]
;W[ci]WL[60]OW[5]C[AstaManana [8k\]: before R6 why not Q8
]
;B[rq]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[so]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ch]BL[60]OB[1]C[hauki [1d?\]: after c11 the difference is even bigger
]
;W[bh]WL[60]OW[5]C[MegAaMiNd [9k\]: who won?
]
;B[mq]BL[60]OB[1]C[xiuce: n2
zzzzzzz22 [3k\]: welcome to join our league, if you like to get teaching games too! http://insei-league.com/
]
;W[mr]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[lp]BL[60]OB[1]C[xiuce: p2
]
;W[lq]WL[60]OW[5]C[b3n [3k\]: why would anyone pay money to be an insei
xiuce: m2 ko
]
;B[mp]BL[60]OB[1]C[Visionaire [1d\]: no ko
AutoAtari [2k\]: because they want to be like hikaru
Syhe [3d\]: b - 68, w-86
Visionaire [1d\]: w m5 would get too much
hauki [1d?\]: b3n, ask the japanese insei
]
;W[or]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[lb]BL[60]OB[1]C[Sekre [13k?\]: b3n aint that kinda like paying for university?
]
;W[rs]WL[60]OW[5]C[quitebad [7k?\]: the difficulty is passing the bar...
b3n [3k\]: why would anyone pay to go to university?
xiuce: 9 points
jytsao [3k?\]: lol, making it sound like law school
jytsao [3k?\]: hahahaha
]
;B[ln]BL[60]OB[1]C[Sekre [13k?\]: to get awesome jobs! =D
jytsao [3k?\]: although the true difficulty is really getting a job these days
b3n [3k\]: oh, in my country the government pays for peope to go to school :)
hauki [1d?\]: the price is pretty steep, but i think it could be ok if there was a western professional go association that was internationally recognized, and the program was a part of that
xiuce: k18
]
;W[ni]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[mj]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[pg]WL[60]OW[5]C[Connect [3k\]: wouldnt that be nice
Connect [3k\]: in usa
]
;B[ph]BL[60]OB[1]C[quitebad [7k?\]: b3n, you pay for university whether you go or not. It's in your taxes. :P
]
;W[me]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[mf]BL[60]OB[1]C[ricedragon [2k\]: except for in the us
Syhe [3d\]: it's like 1 percent of your taxes
b3n [3k\]: true
quitebad [7k?\]: And if you make any effort, you can pay little to nothing in USA on scholarships.
]
;W[ld]WL[60]OW[5]C[Connect [3k\]: thats worth it tho, gives everyone chance to get am educatio
]
;B[kd]BL[60]OB[1]C[Connect [3k\]: and i would pay for my country to be more intelligent
]
;W[oc]WL[60]OW[5]C[Connect [3k\]: even if i had no intentions of educating myself
]
;B[jb]BL[60]OB[1]C[cloudo [3k\]: sadly ur country dont wnat u to be intelligent
]
;W[lf]WL[60]OW[5]C[cloudo [3k\]: want*
Connect [3k\]: in usa lots of people have the potential but lack the resources
]
;B[ke]BL[60]OB[1]C[ASRleague: welcome to join our ASR(advanced study room) league for free, if you like to get fun games! http://www.advancedstudyroom.com/ASR/
vvvvv [-\]: !!!
]
;W[mg]WL[60]OW[5]C[jytsao [3k?\]: b wasn't paying attention?
quitebad [7k?\]: If you're smart, you can figure out how to get into university. It's not that hard.
]
;B[ng]BL[60]OB[1]C[vvvvv [-\]: tarp 
hauki [1d?\]: yeah, take the entrance exams, pass them
]
;W[nf]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[sk]BL[60]OB[1]C[zum [-\]: ighty ko
eslite [3k\]: why go to university if you can win the lottery?
Connect [3k\]: yea but if you have no money... how would you pay for it
]
;W[oe]WL[60]OW[5]C[AutoAtari [2k\]: if you're really smart, you get a scholarship
]
;B[rj]BL[60]OB[1]C[Moma [9k\]: black is going to die if he loose the ko right ?
Connect [3k\]: especially in these times where you wont find work for a long time after you graduate
nothinkman [5k\]: wow
Connect [3k\]: yea and not EVERY smart person can get a scholarship
quitebad [7k?\]: To work a simple job and do community college is simple. Then get a scholarship. Apply for some grants if you don't have the resources and really need it.
Connect [3k\]: how arrogant you all sound
nothinkman [5k\]: b has enough libs there?
]
;W[mh]WL[60]OW[5]C[Connect [3k\]: obviously some of you have never seen real poverty
hauki [1d?\]: i dunno lol. studying in an university doesn't cost anything by itself around here
Haruhi [2k\]: a lot of people sound arrogant
quitebad [7k?\]: Connect, in the US, we pretty much don't have real poverty.
Connect [3k\]: thats pretty offensive to just say anyone can do it
vvvvv [-\]: @_@ good
quitebad [7k?\]: Even the poor have cable TV here. 
b3n [3k\]: education should be a human right
atarinogo [13k\]: amazing invasion to the center by w
]
;B[lj]BL[60]OB[1]C[quitebad [7k?\]: There are no rights in life.
szum [8k\]: quitebad: look at the amount of actual homelessness with people living on the street in the US....
xiuce: t10
]
;W[sj]WL[60]OW[5]C[quitebad [7k?\]: You fight for what you want.
]
;B[lr]BL[60]OB[1]C[jytsao [3k?\]: so b loses the semiai?
easyRobot [1k\]: take
b3n [3k\]: no, the UN has a list of human rights
]
;W[rj]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ms]BL[60]OB[1]C[quitebad [7k?\]: People living in the streets choose it to sometimes. It's an easy life with no pressure, you can easily make enough to eat doing nothing begging... Some people go for the easiest route in life.
szum [8k\]: b3n: I suspect he's the kind of libertarian who doesn't recognize that as valid
Connect [3k\]: im not saying theres poverty on a third world level, im saying some people who can barely afford enough food every week. and maybe arent a 4.0 grade avrage who will get a full scholarship
Vo1d [4d\]: thanks a lot
breakfast [3p\]: thx!
Connect [3k\]: so how do they go?
])
(;B[gc]
;W[lc]C[otariana [6k\]: i am facinating to see breakfast
]
;B[kd]
;W[mb]
;B[hb]C[breakfast [3p\]: usually this
Connect [3k\]: hmm... i think its safe to say ur a d-bag
breakfast [3p\]: in real game it was too good for W
]))
