(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[aguilar1]WR[3p]BR[6d]DT[2013-05-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: have a nice game
breakfast [3p\]: glad to see you again! great game!
Cholgos [2k\]: tx
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1784.749]C[Muttley [3k\]: Thank you both :)
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;W[dd]WL[1790.397]
;B[pp]BL[1782.294]
;W[dp]WL[1740.802]C[Msha [2k\]: why thinkig that long about 2nd move... 
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;B[fq]BL[1769.45]C[LeT [-\]: why not
Msha [2k\]: wastes  time
]
;W[cn]WL[1715.758]C[Growl3r [9k\]: he does simultaneous commentary
Msha [2k\]: and no major advantages can be gained on just 2nd move
jytsao [-\]: the better your opening, the less you have to spend later on in the game
]
;B[dr]BL[1747.143]
;W[qn]WL[1696.026]
;B[cq]BL[1730.424]C[TyTaLuS [3k\]: aguilar wants to fight xD
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;W[nq]WL[1639.544]
;B[oo]BL[1725.44]
;W[qq]WL[1608.577]
;B[ol]BL[1721.179]C[eatramen [?\]: is p8 standard?
Thus [3d\]: no
Thus [3d\]: the whole point of p5 is to gain sente
eatramen [?\]: figured, it's interesting
jkkjj: breakfast revenge
jkkjj: nice
doubletree [1d\]: does S2 work?
emre06 [10k\]: i bet w will win by komi
Sunny0 [1k\]: s2 connectsd
]
;W[ck]WL[1446.169]
;B[fc]BL[1716.667]
;W[df]WL[1407.708]
;B[jd]BL[1686.521]C[largehc [-\]: wrong move! 
emre06 [10k\]: why
Muttley [3k\]: The rule is, play at the centre of a shape.
largehc [-\]: I dunno, it doesn't feel right 
largehc [-\]: yeah 
aitkensam [-\]: s2 works but it leaves a lot of peeps
Muttley [3k\]: Therefore, PQ 4 1/2 is the correct move.
Thus [3d\]: k16 best option, the question is about f17
aitkensam [-\]: so usually its not good
]
;W[qf]WL[1319.646]C[aitkensam [-\]: also its really low, not so many point
Muttley [3k\]: thing is, why are you connecting anyway?
largehc [-\]: actually 
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;B[of]BL[1654.373]C[Muttley [3k\]: one stone is light in this shape
WiteDragon [4k\]: when admins start trolling
largehc [-\]: I was thinking l17
Muttley [3k\]: Let me know if one does, WiteDragon.
WiteDragon [4k\]: i have a better idea, make me an admin, then you don't have to bother about it
Muttley [3k\]: :)) Deal!
]
;W[qc]WL[1203.936]C[WiteDragon [4k\]: [b\] enough!
WiteDragon [4k\]: it doesn't work!
Muttley [3k\]: thing about considering S2 is that I look at P5, P8, P14 and K16 and think "hmmm, centre"
moyamero [1k?\]: That's because you don't have the special wand they give to the admins, WhiteDragon 
holynec [-\]: s2 is slow, old skoo jkoseki
WiteDragon [4k\]: Muttley i'm going to need that wand too
Muttley [3k\]: *** ! ***
WiteDragon [4k\]: people won't take me seriously as admin if i can't type bold
Muttley [3k\]: trust me.
Muttley [3k\]: They don't even when you do.
WiteDragon [4k\]: lol
holynec [-\]: >:D
Muttley [3k\]: Q17 the only consistent move here?   I never understood P14, doesn't seem to fit
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;B[qd]BL[1461.131]C[holynec [-\]: this is wierd
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;W[pc]WL[1191.449]
;B[od]BL[1455.423]C[Muttley [3k\]: guessing R4 comes after>
moyamero [1k?\]: or possibly just R8, you think ?
Muttley [3k\]: or perhaps even P17 b if w S16
jkkjj: w looks better
]
;W[rd]WL[1126.551]C[moyamero [1k?\]: then R16 wouldn't make sense. Why not play Q17 in the first place
TyTaLuS [3k\]: p14 looks bad if b s15
tinca [-\]: P17
]
;B[re]BL[1403.213]
;W[rc]WL[1118.735]C[momiji [3d\]: this pattern for b is shown by Go Seigen
WiteDragon [4k\]: really?
gentoo [-\]: what comes next?
miao [6d\]: p17
miao [6d\]: normally
smonds3 [-\]: it is a rare joseki
moyamero [1k?\]: I've seen it played and suggested by Takemiya too
WiteDragon [4k\]: how is this better than just q17 if b now p17?
smonds3 [-\]: black may p17 or r15 here
moyamero [1k?\]: but then he likes playing towards the centre
TyTaLuS [3k\]: block with sente?
]
;B[cc]BL[1276.945]C[miao [6d\]: more solid
miao [6d\]: tenuki o.o
]
;W[dc]WL[1101.548]C[miao [6d\]: strange
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;B[db]BL[1273.549]C[moyamero [1k?\]: when in doubt, play elsewhere 
cb22 [1d\]: O;o
Muttley [3k\]: Aguilar style, always the tenuki to keep you guessing
brunch [?\]: long game
smonds3 [-\]: decide between p17 and r15 later
miao [6d\]: e17 and p17?
TyTaLuS [3k\]: c16
miao [6d\]: is it a test
TyTaLuS [3k\]: sente to big
miao [6d\]: =
tetsuo [2k?\]: great game
miao [6d\]: can he?
coolfool [2d?\]: Black took the corner because the upper side was open on both sides
]
;W[cd]WL[1032.108]
;B[oc]BL[1259.431]C[miao [6d\]: ha
coolfool [2d?\]: thats consistent move
TyTaLuS [3k\]: nice analysis
miao [6d\]: interesting idea by black
coolfool [2d?\]: now H17 is more difficult
miao [6d\]: r15 seems almost foreced now
TyTaLuS [3k\]: now the side is closed
TyTaLuS [3k\]: almost?
S1m0n3 [1k\]: no
Nayel [3k\]: r4
miao [6d\]: w want to resist
miao [6d\]: *wants
miao [6d\]: but hard
TyTaLuS [3k\]: but cant to big
miao [6d\]: r15 huge
miao [6d\]: e18 big too
miao [6d\]: or c18
]
;W[qe]WL[914.297]C[miao [6d\]: idk
]
;B[bb]BL[1252.732]
;W[bc]WL[901.229]
;B[cb]BL[1248.565]C[TyTaLuS [3k\]: f15 g15 for w
herissondu [1d\]: lots of hard choices
Nayel [3k\]: q3
sagaciter [6k\]: f15 was bigger for b no?
TyTaLuS [3k\]: big ofr both imo
WiteDragon [4k\]: bigger than what?
coolfool [2d?\]: now H17 can be answered at K17 and w will have a burden
sagaciter [6k\]: than the corner move
sagaciter [6k\]: f16 from w ruin a posible nice moyo
rollstory [3k\]:  i guess h3 nice for w
Kuvasz [3k\]: no, h3 too cute and too big, not fair move
gentoo [-\]: h3 q3 r4 m3?
julbla [4k\]: haha
Shadowman [2d\]: h3 doesn't look very appealing
Shadowman [2d\]: at least to me
yaonie [5d?\]: g15 for me
smonds3 [-\]: it is a difficult place to chose the best move
smonds3 [-\]: this is a good whole board problem
xxxxxxx [1k\]: l3
smonds3 [-\]: g15 perhaps.
Nayel [3k\]: r9
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;W[he]WL[543.802]C[drau [6k\]: wow aguilar ! best style on kgs 
Polytech [4k?\]: 3p equals what in dan?
moyamero [1k?\]: er, 3 ?
smonds3 [-\]: > 7d
easyRobot [1k\]: 15k
TyTaLuS [3k\]: so far
]
;B[ic]BL[1216.373]C[yaonie [5d?\]: breakfast about the same strength as roln111, so should be 8-9d
kim2002 [2k\]: strong 7d
kim2002 [2k\]: 7d ama
TyTaLuS [3k\]: didnt like it
TyTaLuS [3k\]: now w must protect?
moyamero [1k?\]: That of course without taking into account that the *real* dans are the pros ...
way2good [?\]: he will play on the bottom
mooooo [5k\]: acording to egf database w is 2p strength and b is 7d(1p)
yaonie [5d?\]: g5 looks fun
coolfool [2d?\]: breakfast is likely strong as several amateur 7d players not really stronger
TyTaLuS [3k\]: pros are p
TyTaLuS [3k\]: and 1p sometimes stronger than 9p so
DBraymer [16k?\]: Somewhere on the bottom or around P11 are most likely imo
DBraymer [16k?\]: Bottom probably bigger
smonds3 [-\]: white has to develop his own moyo after h15 otherwise this was a thank you move
smonds3 [-\]: so likely f10
Growl3r [9k\]: how does b reduce left side?
Architect [2k\]: go go aguilar!!
yaonie [5d?\]: g5 isnt a bigger moyo? :)
way2good [?\]: side not that interesting imo because its open to both sides
sagaciter [6k\]: pro versus ama kibitz...will never die
moyamero [1k?\]: I don't know - I'd be reluctant to play at the bottom, what with both B and W already having played on the 3rd line.
]
;W[fj]WL[397.213]C[yaonie [5d?\]: lol ok :p
way2good [?\]: no
WiteDragon [4k\]: wow
Architect [2k\]: both great players
WiteDragon [4k\]: bot move
backpack1 [2d\]: f10 looks strange
way2good [?\]: missclick
Shadowman [2d\]: f10 seems natural
]
;B[pq]BL[1183.909]C[backpack1 [2d\]: h3 seems to be the natural move
TyTaLuS [3k\]: is hard to cap
Architect [2k\]: aguilar was treined by a pro too, sice children!
julbla [4k\]: cosmic move haha
WiteDragon [4k\]: well the answer how to reduce white is around e10 so that's no longer poissible now
Minjhou [7k\]: F10, smonds3' move
Shadowman [2d\]: the bottom left group is so strong making the moyo much larger would be overdoing it
way2good [?\]: well, f 10 does not make a moyo how it should be
]
;W[qp]WL[351.372]C[Architect [2k\]: n4?
WiteDragon [4k\]: f10 almost feels like territory
]
;B[jp]BL[1161.685]C[mooooo [5k\]: well he won most of the teaching matches he played here some against very strong players like christian pop or andy liu
way2good [?\]: w will live now at the bottom
way2good [?\]: i see k 3
way2good [?\]: =)
DBraymer [16k?\]: Q2 or perhaps an foundation at L3?
smonds3 [-\]: q2 or q5
BlueSpark [2k\]: not almost
yaonie [5d?\]: m4 too overplay? :p
Nowadays [11k\]: k3 is not a good move
way2good [?\]: haha
Minjhou [7k\]: why q5 smonds3?
gentoo [-\]: m4 in a good place to reduce w left side
smonds3 [-\]: q5 - sente way to fix shape
gentoo [-\]: better than other moves at least
BlueSpark [2k\]: is w really ahead?
DBraymer [16k?\]: So should white play on the left or on the right?
Architect [2k\]: w will probaly attach at k4
sagaciter [6k\]: f5 now?
smonds3 [-\]: w will not try to make another group at the bottom
way2good [?\]: if white does not live at the bottom  f 10 is to small
RedDwarf [?\]: m5
Architect [2k\]: l4 or k3
DBraymer [16k?\]: So will W try to split the black grouds? or just set up his own with O3?
smonds3 [-\]: k14 ?
DBraymer [16k?\]: groups*
sagaciter [6k\]: h4
yaonie [5d?\]: w style is usually v solid though, he could do anything, like just k14 or sth lol
rollstory [3k\]: m5 seems like an invitation to chase w
Ennien [2k?\]: m4 
nightcafe [1k\]: elephant surprise m5
RepportNE [1d\]: q5 first
dasango [2k\]: r8
smonds3 [-\]: yes. q5 first. for white then maybe k14
sagaciter [6k\]: h4 is the divine move here
RepportNE [1d\]: h4 bad imo
way2good [?\]: yeah
Architect [2k\]: attach
RepportNE [1d\]: h4 f5
DBraymer [16k?\]: I think I'd rather play on the right than the left
DBraymer [16k?\]: At least for this move
rollstory [3k\]: h4 f5 seems bad for w
kentia [1d\]: q2
RepportNE [1d\]: yes
way2good [?\]: right is valueless
Architect [2k\]: l4 or k3
rollstory [3k\]: q2 endgame move
]
;W[jn]WL[60]OW[5]LB[qo:B][qr:A]C[Architect [2k\]: ><
dasango [2k\]: o5
DBraymer [16k?\]: Curious
RepportNE [1d\]: k6 brave
baduk8d: i saw a 5d self atari once
breakfast [3p\]: I like W here, but I believe it's equal
ladytata: His style may be good to fight low rank opponent
breakfast [3p\]: 2 very slow moves you played -
breakfast [3p\]: A+B
]
;B[qr]BL[1148.801]C[julbla [4k\]: cosmic move again
sagaciter [6k\]: woot?
julbla [4k\]: seems fun haha
KingPing [2d?\]: lol so far for q2 :)
kentia [1d\]: r2 end game move too?
yaonie [5d?\]: now q5 shape
smonds3 [-\]: now q2 ;)
DBraymer [16k?\]: Shouldn't Q5 come before Q2?
way2good [?\]: i sense tenuki =)
Kansha: hi
DBraymer [16k?\]: >.> What is "tenuki"?
WiteDragon [4k\]: hi
JakubP [7k\]: how much time has W?
WiteDragon [4k\]: "to play elsewhere"
rollstory [3k\]: playing elsewhere = tenuki
Kansha: this is my first time here watching go
DBraymer [16k?\]: Ah
yaonie [5d?\]: if w gets g5 it'll make a pretty lol shape
WiteDragon [4k\]: like: when your wife is gibving you a hard time about playing go, tenuki
KingPing [2d?\]: hi kansha welcome
way2good [?\]: l 4 is resonable
DBraymer [16k?\]: Can W afford to tenuki here, without at least Q5?
julbla [4k\]: mmmm
yaonie [5d?\]: tenuki crazy imo
Nowadays [11k\]: hahahahhahahahhaha witedragon rules!!
Kansha: thanks :) figured id watch a gameand see what it is like
julbla [4k\]: if w tenuki, crazy bad shape
smonds3 [-\]: you must see 1,000 games to now what it is like ;)
way2good [?\]: would goes along with whites style
way2good [?\]: ^^
smonds3 [-\]: *know
KingPing [2d?\]: kibitz 1000 game and you'll become 1d :)
KingPing [2d?\]: *s
rollstory [3k\]: maybe w s2 and then he tenukis
Kansha: so what is the object of the game?
Kansha: when do u win?
Architect [2k\]: dont kibitz and u will become 9d
JakubP [7k\]: in how long period?
DBraymer [16k?\]: The object of go is to build walls
mizari [26k?\]: Kansha, you should watch 9x9 game better
DBraymer [16k?\]: imo
mizari [26k?\]: much easier
unicornz [1d\]: its basically a simulation of china
Architect [2k\]: kibitizers just say wrong things
KingPing [2d?\]: If you're new to the game, learn the basics here before playing your first game:  http://www.playgo.to/iwtg/en/
Kansha: ok 9X9
]
;W[no]WL[54.422]C[Kansha: ok thanks guys!
DBraymer [16k?\]: oh W, you so crazy
KingPing [2d?\]: yw
DBraymer [16k?\]: I wish I knew what he was thinking
DBraymer [16k?\]: 05 same effect as Q5 but better for W?
KingPing [2d?\]: "o5, nice spot, I'll take it"
DBraymer [16k?\]: lol
momiji [3d\]: pro shows how to punish a premature yose move 
julbla [4k\]: Oo
drau [6k\]: I like this move 
julbla [4k\]: why this tsuke?
DBraymer [16k?\]: "tsuke"?
mizari [26k?\]: is O6 good move?
smonds3 [-\]: attachment
BlueSpark [2k\]: touchouke)
DBraymer [16k?\]: ah, ty
julbla [4k\]: tsuke : contact move, attachment
DBraymer [16k?\]: please pardon my ignorance
julbla [4k\]: it's nothing :p
kirbywarp: isn't white just rescuing O3, since it's in the middle of black territory?
Eru [11k\]: O6?
kirbywarp: O6 would just seal its fate.
julbla [4k\]: maybe aji
julbla [4k\]: (aji = potential)
Eru [11k\]: white fate no?
mizari [26k?\]: I didnt get it (:
mooooo [5k\]: b`s fate
way2good [?\]: i think i should study breakfast games
DBraymer [16k?\]: I'm curious to see what W has in mind
way2good [?\]: really cool
aguilar1 [6d\]: I see
]
(;B[qo]BL[965.675]C[julbla [4k\]: trade maybe?
]
;W[ro]WL[36.369]
;B[po]BL[962.771]C[julbla [4k\]: no haha
way2good [?\]: no, become both side and middle
KingPing [2d?\]: no ko :(
julbla [4k\]: yeah:(
way2good [?\]: its a go style which is really hard to play
drau [6k\]: s2 a must?
ddUsopp [2k\]: u wanna ko so much?)
BlueSpark [2k\]: if something of o5 survives, b lost
julbla [4k\]: ko is fun, ko is life :D
DBraymer [16k?\]: So should W play on the right group or on the center group now?
way2good [?\]: so, you say, only fighting shows that you are alive ?
DBraymer [16k?\]: I don't think R4 is quite safe yet
ddUsopp [2k\]: o5 stay light, it will run
aguilar1 [6d\]: I considered it
breakfast [3p\]: this cannot be correct
breakfast [3p\]: such a heavy shape
]
;W[nn]WL[240.925]C[rollstory [3k\]: maybe w sacrafice the corner?
gutzman [6k\]: corner was decoy
BlueSpark [2k\]: now i suppose b plays lost game
momiji [3d\]: w should dominate now
Architect [2k\]: now black has to kill the corner, or he lost in this exchange
SirEttin [1d\]: how did w get more time?
ddUsopp [2k\]: w have too strong moyo
]
(;B[rr]BL[906.725]C[way2good [?\]: whites next move will be on the side
BlueSpark [2k\]: he lost anyway
Architect [2k\]: this wall will help w to attack k4 later
rollstory [3k\]: r7 now
Architect [2k\]: r7 slow
way2good [?\]: more like r8
Architect [2k\]: yep
julbla [4k\]: the white stone has enormous potential
Architect [2k\]: r8 better
DBraymer [16k?\]: Is it worth saving the R4 group, or do we need to extend further up the side here
CBlue [?\]: q7
ddUsopp [2k\]: someome know, why they plays? how i can play with breakfast too, for example?
]
;W[qk]WL[160.111]C[DBraymer [16k?\]: !!
way2good [?\]: nearly =)
DBraymer [16k?\]: breakfast you cray cray
Architect [2k\]: b in pain
ddUsopp [2k\]: noone?)
ponno [8k?\]: DBraymer they could read you
kentia [1d\]: b has more solid cash
way2good [?\]: there is a word for this style in japanese
way2good [?\]: somebody know ?
DBraymer [16k?\]: ponno:  What do you mean?
Architect [2k\]: w position is better imo
don [1d\]: black has n4 and run
Architect [2k\]: and k4 still weak
RoyalCrown [5d\]: s2 bad
ponno [8k?\]: in lesson players could read comments
mooooo [5k\]: s2 too small?
RoyalCrown [5d\]: s4 better
RoyalCrown [5d\]: s4 s3 t4
DBraymer [16k?\]: Is this a lesson?
ponno [8k?\]: yep
gentoo [-\]: hi cloudnotes :)
don [1d\]: o5 is still weak too
DBraymer [16k?\]: Oh
Kemist [-\]: this is insei-league event. BF reviews this game for his students
Architect [2k\]: o5 is fine
breakfast [3p\]: now even easier for W
]
(;B[rp]BL[712.759]TR[po][qo][rp][rr]C[KingPing [2d?\]: now b very overconcentrated
RoyalCrown [5d\]: and why s2 now?
smonds3 [-\]: hm... s7 seemed more active
RoyalCrown [5d\]: -1 point
ddUsopp [2k\]: thanks ^^
TyTaLuS [3k\]: this is strange breakfast playing on the moyo side of the board :D
smonds3 [-\]: time for tenuki
smonds3 [-\]: still like k14
S1m0n3 [1k\]: h3 now i think
Malingo [5d\]: r12 seems honte
DBraymer [16k?\]: "honte"?
RoyalCrown [5d\]: k14 agressive)
saxo [3d\]: or r11
Ootakamoku [2d\]: feels a bit like b is choosing questionable, but not downright bad lines of play on purpose
breakfast [3p\]: too many stones
breakfast [3p\]: for small corner
]
;W[je]WL[60]OW[5]C[soclar [?\]: g5 any good?
]
;B[ke]BL[701.823]
;W[jf]WL[60]OW[5]C[soclar [?\]: o well nvm ^^
Ennien [2k?\]: waiting for f5 
DBraymer [16k?\]: g5 will probably be very important
rollstory [3k\]: honte= locally proper move 
MMMMMZx: w is doing really great
breakfast [3p\]: now W is leading
ThaElf [2d?\]: Merely q7? Would keep B ahead of r6 and o6... p8 lost meaning.
aguilar1 [6d\]: I did not see M5 coming
breakfast [3p\]: big lead, I guess, but I am not good at keeping moyos 
breakfast [3p\]: HappyLook
breakfast [3p\]: we had 20+ inseis
breakfast [3p\]: helping me
levye [5k\]: lol
breakfast [3p\]: from 5k to 10k
Collector [4d\]: u dont need help :D
smonds3 [-\]: 5d - 10k?
breakfast [3p\]: 5d to 10k*
breakfast [3p\]: yes
]
;B[mp]BL[688.096]C[RoyalCrown [5d\]: e9
Ootakamoku [2d\]: easiest way to understand honte is maybe "honest move"
DBraymer [16k?\]: As in the intent behind the move is very obvious?
Malingo [5d\]: black r13 next
kentia [1d\]: honte means slow and submissive
Ootakamoku [2d\]: as in the intent isnt to trick opponent, but properly take care of problems you have
soclar [?\]: ok n4 gives me my answer 
rubicon [3d\]: which insei, alexandre?
]
;W[lo]WL[60]OW[4]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w will get something like h3 working, when b plays n4, but it seems like ok
tetsuo [2k?\]: m4
Malingo [5d\]: o4 slow and bad
S1m0n3 [1k\]: good territory for B
DBraymer [16k?\]: Isn't m4 necessary?
RoyalCrown [5d\]: e9!
emre06 [10k\]: e9 now?
kentia [1d\]: r11
Backflash [-\]: aguilaaaar!!
kirbywarp: ... e9?
breakfast [3p\]: was not my move, by the way :)
breakfast [3p\]: suggest by inseis :)
Nayel [3k\]: your style is more to get something out of hte opponenjt attack
breakfast [3p\]: during review
aguilar1 [6d\]: :-)
]
;B[lp]BL[568.193]C[Growl3r [9k\]: f5
DBraymer [16k?\]: h4/g5
DBraymer [16k?\]: g4*
Backflash [-\]: wow, aguilar seems soft? where is bomb runs i wonder...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: c10 or something crazy, would for the profile of b playstyle.. tho maybe Ibe seen too many handicap games by aguilar >.<
RoyalCrown [5d\]: s12
Backflash [-\]: yea, c10 sounds fun and suicidal
vrnBugatti [8k\]: берем
kirbywarp: doesn't w need O4 at some point?
kentia [1d\]: l14 big too
Growl3r [9k\]: o4 is just a choice
Mateman1p [1k\]: -e10!
]
;W[np]WL[101.463]
;B[ko]BL[563.929]C[kirbywarp: thought so...
emre06 [10k\]: royalcrown
]
;W[kn]WL[45.181]
;B[mo]BL[550.312]C[RoyalCrown [5d\]: -d9
way2good [?\]: n6 
]
;W[mm]WL[35.723]C[emre06 [10k\]: d9 or e9?
way2good [?\]: nice
RoyalCrown [5d\]: //
]
;B[lm]BL[531.147]C[RoyalCrown [5d\]: e9 e10 d9 c10
Mateman1p [1k\]: е-10 вроде неплохо
]
;W[ln]WL[6.225]
;B[mn]BL[527.432]C[KingPing [2d?\]: tough for b
S1m0n3 [1k\]: wow
DBraymer [16k?\]: k5 perhaps?
CBlue [?\]: o7
KingPing [2d?\]: putting stakes on m7
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m8 
Aaaaah [2k?\]: W WON
]
;W[nm]WL[60]OW[5]C[S1m0n3 [1k\]: w can sacriface and win 
]
;B[ll]BL[524.204]TR[mk]C[Backflash [-\]: can he? right side is quite open
Mateman1p [1k\]: m8-good
]
(;W[nk]WL[60]OW[5]C[fjhgjh: o9
Backflash [-\]: no kiddin'
ladytata: b got used to the brisk game and did not think long
BBCK [2d\]: white did not win yet ... Aaaaah just discovered Caps Lock .)
]
(;B[mk]BL[508.026]C[barbossa [1d\]: why sacrifice?
barbossa [1d\]: just kill m7 and win
rollstory [3k\]: o9
Architect [2k\]: lol
Architect [2k\]: justWW
Architect [2k\]: just?
Architect [2k\]: looks so easy when u say
ladytata: b p8 seems dead
barbossa [1d\]: indeed architect
barbossa [1d\]: but no great deed was done without ambition
RoyalCrown [5d\]: n11
]
;W[jl]WL[60]OW[4]C[DBraymer [16k?\]: oh, i would have guessed L8
Architect [2k\]: w is a lot ahead
DBraymer [16k?\]: interesting
Architect [2k\]: no need to be greed
Greedsgood [2d\]: why not
barbossa [1d\]: refer to my last statement :)
]
;B[mi]BL[427.939]C[freepoints [10k\]: did b start with handi?
emre06 [10k\]: no
freepoints [10k\]: that sounds so hard
ladytata: p9?
Architect [2k\]: teaching game
emre06 [10k\]: normal
RoyalCrown [5d\]: b must play e9 and s12
freepoints [10k\]: still hard...
Backflash [-\]: it is teachibg game but bot for aguilar
Backflash [-\]: not*
Architect [2k\]: e9???
Architect [2k\]: looks deep
]
;W[ok]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[jj]BL[412.093]C[kirbywarp: don't understand e9 at all...
ladytata: My move!
Aaaaah [2k?\]: c7 :)
freepoints [10k\]: you should be 6dan!
ladytata: j4?
hasr [10k?\]: l9
barbossa [1d\]: e9 is some kind of a hadooken move
]
;W[kf]WL[60]OW[3]C[Kemist [-\]: what is "hadooken"?
BBCK [2d\]: E9 could be aji keshi
Backflash [-\]: to destroy lower moyo, but id try to get left side
barbossa [1d\]: hadouken, sorry
SirEttin [1d\]: e9 is would be a probe?
RoyalCrown [5d\]: Kachanowskiy Artem play e9 with me in this position
]
;B[hj]BL[354.586]C[Backflash [-\]: e9 is full on invasion
rollstory [3k\]: i don´t know the meaning of hadouken too
Architect [2k\]: e9 seems too deep
]
;W[gm]WL[60]OW[3]C[Architect [2k\]: looks easy to kill
]
;B[io]BL[342.216]C[rthspaz07 [4k\]: sounds like something from street fighter
Aaaaah [2k?\]: llook
medical [3k\]: hadouken is from street fighter II
Ootakamoku [2d\]: unlikely e9 would die, but it does look expensive to pull out
Backflash [-\]: c10 is deep e9 is safe....was safe
Aaaaah [2k?\]: l3?
freepoints [10k\]: c10 sounds like death
rollstory [3k\]: now it is to late for e9
RoyalCrown [5d\]: h3
barbossa [1d\]: aah... what do you teach you in school nowadays? doesn't know hadouken, my, my...
]
;W[hm]WL[60]OW[2]C[Jadeite [5k?\]: From Street Fighter game:  Hadouken = surge fist 
momoco [2d?\]: wao
Architect [2k\]: i think aguilar dont agree with e9
Architect [2k\]: lol
Greedsgood [2d\]: the first rule of street fighter is....
ThaElf [2d?\]: It is more likely, nobody cares anymore about sf.
barbossa [1d\]: it's not about sf
barbossa [1d\]: hadouken is now history
VclubFates [3d\]: f15 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: excacly, and noone cares
Aaaaah [2k?\]: i care about science fiction man
emre06 [10k\]: f15 
barbossa [1d\]: you are not required to care
barbossa [1d\]: but you should know history
Greedsgood [2d\]: everything is about sf
Greedsgood [2d\]: sf is the source of life
way2good [?\]: yeah
way2good [?\]: he is right
mixaa [7k\]: r12
ThaElf [2d?\]: Hadouken is more of meme than piece of history.
emre06 [10k\]: isnt l9 dangerous?
AnandaB [1k\]: q13
Greedsgood [2d\]: say that to ruys face if you dare
Melusine [12k\]: g13
Backflash [-\]: is it like ka-me-ha-da?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e14:)
ThaElf [2d?\]: I would, if Ryu existed. Courage is concept he would admire.
Greedsgood [2d\]: are you a doubter then?
Shana [2d?\]: learn some martial arts, buy a flamethrower, done
ladytata: l10 is a good move for w? 
KingPing [2d?\]: why do you need maretial arts when you have a flamethrower?
Backflash [-\]: can you buy one?
Shana [2d?\]: to make it look legit
KingPing [2d?\]: oh i see
]
;B[gh]BL[2.615]C[KingPing [2d?\]: learn some go, buy a flamethrower :)
ThaElf [2d?\]: I know about chi works, but the world is hazy if looked thru third eye. Not perfect.
Shana [2d?\]: ur third eye got nothing on my fifth eye
KingPing [2d?\]: nive move, b exploits thiness of w position
KingPing [2d?\]: *nice
breakfast [3p\]: have to answer here
breakfast [3p\]: no reason to make it complicated
aguilar1 [6d\]: sure
]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[2]C[AnandaB [1k\]: and helps protect against ladytata's move
ThaElf [2d?\]: B is itself quite thng also. Backfiring is very much likely.
]
;B[fe]BL[60]OB[5]C[ThaElf [2d?\]: *thin
KingPing [2d?\]: wow
levye [5k\]: now game is changing colors
]
;W[gq]WL[60]OW[2]C[guiguistar [2d\]: tough boys trading
KingPing [2d?\]: there were times when o3 felt so lonely...
compost [1k\]: thaa is some large trading
]
(;B[eh]BL[60]OB[5]C[Aaaaah [2k?\]: k14 can stay alive
LeT [-\]: suddenly b looks better
ThaElf [2d?\]: Not on my eyes. Bottom is enormous too.
compost [1k\]: i dont thin so
Melusine [12k\]: B c11 or c12
levye [5k\]: i think center is bigger if its dead
]
;W[ff]WL[60]OW[2]C[yinon [8k\]: 4 `gote` moves... what a mess
]
;B[gf]BL[60]OB[5]C[KingPing [2d?\]: not gote, mutual tenuki
levye [5k\]: seems he got out
DBraymer [16k?\]: Well this has certainly turned into a lively game
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont see how this can be good for w
kmr [1d\]: bottom is max 40 pts, center much bigger for sure
Ootakamoku [2d\]: not to mention, k4 isnt dead yet
]
;W[ge]WL[60]OW[2]C[ThaElf [2d?\]: Center seems around 30... too much reductions.
Shana [2d?\]: neither is center :p
]
(;B[ef]BL[60]OB[5]C[kmr [1d\]: assuming both center and bottom dead, center much bigger
Aaaaah [2k?\]: alive
Shana [2d?\]: i disagree :p
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bottom was already open from o3
Aaaaah [2k?\]: l16 m15 j16 k17 f16 e15 
Shana [2d?\]: bottom used to be black's points, center was not white's
ThaElf [2d?\]: W must kill bottom first. Then return to keep left alive.
]
;W[kd]WL[60]OW[2]C[Aaaaah [2k?\]: éhéhé
]
;B[le]BL[60]OB[5]C[rollstory [3k\]: center is not dead  
]
;W[fd]WL[60]OW[2]C[ladytata: The center is alive or connected, I guess
nicanor [1d\]: m4 looks more dead than k 14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: center is alive and connected.. in gote
breakfast [3p\]: now too easy for W
ThaElf [2d?\]: W got free choice onto where to go.
breakfast [3p\]: after you allowed me to connect
breakfast [3p\]: thx for being kind :)
]
;B[ee]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ed]WL[60]OW[2]C[rollstory [3k\]: not in gote
drau [6k\]: cool fight
levye [5k\]: j17 dead ?
rollstory [3k\]: be can´t cut after l16
KingPing [2d?\]: wow l16 helps a lot here
pogiaron [11k\]: was there handicap?
eatramen [?\]: lol
ladytata: b resign soon
emre06 [10k\]: maybe e 12 was the wrong move?
levye [5k\]: seems so
KingPing [2d?\]: g16 h16 g17 h17 h18 g18 f18 j18 g19 k17 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: pogiaron, yes 7 stones handicap.
nicanor [1d\]: e12 was
pogiaron [11k\]: thx
smonds3 [-\]: even game...
Aaaaah [2k?\]: for white*
emre06 [10k\]: lol no handi man
levye [5k\]: this worth fighting
guiguistar [2d\]: count stones and you'll know
Backflash [-\]: low level go players are to serious
]
;B[gc]BL[60]OB[4]C[baduk8d: backflash everyone can be serious about go
pogiaron [11k\]: is it a porblem?
]
;W[gd]WL[60]OW[2]C[jezork [2d\]: try to kill the whole thing
levye [5k\]: now bottom ?
]
;B[dg]BL[60]OB[4]C[drau [6k\]: wow that was some deep read
Backflash [-\]: action!
baduk8d: no dont worry its high levels that feel intimidated
KingPing [2d?\]: no porblem pogiaron, all is fine
VclubFates [3d\]: b want it all
kmr [1d\]: white grooup have actually no eyes
pogiaron [11k\]: i dont think so
]
;W[lf]WL[60]OW[2]C[SColbert [4d\]: e18 weakness
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there questions by w are nice
]
;B[hf]BL[60]OB[4]C[SColbert [4d\]: h17 weakness
KingPing [2d?\]: if you look at the corner stones, it is easy to see that there was no handicap as the typical handicap pattern is missing
]
;W[id]WL[60]OW[2]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b kinda saying he threattens to kill it all, so w free to ask well can I get this and this in sente then
]
;B[jc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[me]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ld]BL[60]OB[4]C[saxo [3d\]: wow this exchange is so bad
GoldRoger7 [3d\]: h14 strange
Backflash [-\]: if you press options-rules you'll see there was no handicap 
]
;W[ng]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[qg]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[rf]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[og]BL[60]OB[4]C[baduk8d: thats the easiest way to see xD
pogiaron [11k\]: ok sorry i ask without thinking
]
;W[nh]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[nr]WL[60]OW[2]C[Backflash [-\]: this looks mor elike aguilar's game, yay!
Backflash [-\]: more like*
drau [6k\]: omg monster kill 
KingPing [2d?\]: j2
]
;B[ir]BL[60]OB[4]C[levye [5k\]: no kill yet
guiguistar [2d\]: whats the proba of this ressurecting
Ootakamoku [2d\]: good luck reading that kill
wangming [2d\]: white still has ko for life if it comes to that
drau [6k\]: far from it, but fine spirit
Ootakamoku [2d\]: guiguistar, b did get the first move here, I think this is supposed to live
]
;W[hr]WL[60]OW[2]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: proba is 0 or 100
Ootakamoku [2d\]: l2?
Backflash [-\]: 3%
rubicon [3d\]: l2 lives i think
ThaElf [2d?\]: This was supposed to be trade, thus W gained quite lot while squirming on center and damaging B.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: koukkaaja, I think its a bit less polarized if we take into consideration the players
rubicon [3d\]: oh no, its ko
]
;B[kr]BL[60]OB[4]C[goffriller [8k\]: black dead
shadow1 [1k\]: decided
Koukkaaja [3d\]: almost surely 0 or 100
rubicon [3d\]: im pretty sure its ko
kentia [1d\]: j3
guiguistar [2d\]: ko makes the proba hardest to find
psun: p18 dead
psun: p17
Ootakamoku [2d\]: SE thinks its alive, hence I will go with that
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its alive
rubicon [3d\]: p18 is technically in gote
]
;W[lc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[md]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[nd]WL[60]OW[2]C[guiguistar [2d\]: not cool being squeezedthis way
Backflash [-\]: b messed up?
ThaElf [2d?\]: o12 was sente to cut here. B tenukied.
rubicon [3d\]: n17 o17 n18 o15 o18 p15 
Backflash [-\]: about 15 mves back?
Aaaaah [2k?\]: 114 moves back*
ladytata: guess p14 dead
]
;B[mc]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[nc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mb]BL[60]OB[3]C[pok [1k\]: n17 o17 n18 p18 then b choice, pbbly o15 
]
;W[ne]WL[60]OW[2]C[pok [1k\]: ah no
goffriller [8k\]: I love it
pok [1k\]: this is better
ladytata: p14 dead
]
;B[nb]BL[60]OB[3]C[rubicon [3d\]: w gets sente
rollstory [3k\]: yes...i read thi too
buggler [2d?\]: q18 sente now
]
;W[oe]WL[60]OW[2]C[buggler [2d?\]: oh wow
]
;B[pe]BL[60]OB[3]C[Melusine [12k\]: white lives in the center, blck has to secure life in 3 places, not a good trade
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b n14 
KingPing [2d?\]: wow
ladytata: ok, b resign now
]
;W[pf]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ob]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ni]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bo]BL[60]OB[3]C[levye [5k\]: n14 ?
emre06 [10k\]: n14 ?
pogiaron [11k\]: n14
GetStrong [2d\]: read the followup guys :P
kmr [1d\]: n14 dont work
]
;W[mq]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[lq]BL[60]OB[3]C[levye [5k\]: yea
ThaElf [2d?\]: All and all W + 15 from the almost trade? They were making, but didn't.
]
;W[ms]WL[60]OW[2]C[buffalo [6k\]: a ese aguilar se lo estan abrochando 
Backflash [-\]: yose was quite promising for b
guiguistar [2d\]: the question is: M2 or M1?
kmr [1d\]: but its ko threat white almost must answer
levye [5k\]: j3
SColbert [4d\]: b center is weak
]
;B[ls]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[2]C[SColbert [4d\]: plenty of threats
kentia [1d\]: nasty ko
]
;W[im]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mr]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[2]C[emre06 [10k\]: someone said it is ko
levye [5k\]: 1st threat = eye destroy
]
;B[fh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[2]C[kentia [1d\]: ignore?
guiguistar [2d\]: F4 looks honest
SirEttin [1d\]: must ignore i think
pogiaron [11k\]: l3
SirEttin [1d\]: w can connect after l1
]
;W[fr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mr]BL[60]OB[2]C[kentia [1d\]: d15
pogiaron [11k\]: no
Nayel [3k\]: h13
]
;W[ii]WL[60]OW[2]C[levye [5k\]: is there a reason why T games cant be reviewed live ?
]
;B[ij]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fo]BL[60]OB[2]C[ThaElf [2d?\]: you mean rewind?
levye [5k\]: y
salty [2d\]: i think tha player can read our comments
pogiaron [11k\]: ignore?
]
;W[eq]WL[60]OW[2]C[Nayel [3k\]: e2
kirbywarp: probably because the teacher has control of the game tree that everyone sees.
ThaElf [2d?\]: Because T can be stopped at anytime thus making any rewinding interfere with it.
]
;B[mr]BL[60]OB[2]C[ladytata: b corner may be in trouble after this ko 
buggler [2d?\]: j12
pogiaron [11k\]: what is the next move?
goffriller [8k\]: is the lower L corner looking attackable yet?
kirbywarp: you can make a copy of the game and view it offline though
GetStrong [2d\]: you can clone game
levye [5k\]: y i know i can clone
GetStrong [2d\]: options - clone game in, and with it rewind it, if you want to try something..
]
;W[kk]WL[60]OW[2]C[levye [5k\]: thx btw
hitaus [4k\]: or view offline
]
;B[ns]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[kj]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[co]BL[60]OB[2]C[emre06 [10k\]: b destroyed
levye [5k\]: anyone counted ?
Aaaaah [2k?\]: w+10
guiguistar [2d\]: trade, part 2
]
;W[do]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[dn]BL[60]OB[2]C[smonds3 [-\]: just counted. assumning that the board is about the same. its W+10
]
;W[en]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[cm]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[dl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[cl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fl]BL[60]OB[2]C[Nayel [3k\]: f9
Architect [2k\]: e9
smonds3 [-\]: how on earth did this fuseki become this board...
]
;W[fk]WL[60]OW[2]C[lance [1d\]: lots of tenuki
levye [5k\]: tenuki magic
ThaElf [2d?\]: Large trades be made, then refuted.
Beef [3d\]: b will resign soon I think
goffriller [8k\]: good  call Nayel
Nayel [3k\]: )
pogiaron [11k\]: e9
]
;B[eo]BL[60]OB[2]C[Nayel [3k\]: just resign
kirbywarp: why f9?
]
;W[fm]WL[60]OW[2]C[Beef [3d\]: this doesn't work for b, so he's losing a lot here
kentia [1d\]: yep
ladytata: b collapsed totally
svenkramer: f7 was better
goffriller [8k\]: even 8k can read that
baduk8d: thats mean
breakfast [3p\]: thx!
rubicon [3d\]: svenkramer, if f7 g6 
aguilar1 [6d\]: thank you very much
baduk8d: even 9p make mistake
drau [6k\]: gg
smonds3 [-\]: What a game
])
(;B[fd]C[breakfast [3p\]: shape?
ThaElf [2d?\]: Tricky and hard game.
aguilar1 [6d\]: :-)
breakfast [3p\]: again, almost lost a good game
breakfast [3p\]: will be even more careful next time
breakfast [3p\]: thx and see you!
hitaus [4k\]: thanks!
vx [?\]: thanks
levye [5k\]: gg
aguilar1 [6d\]: thank you!
kentia [1d\]: thx for the game 
ThaElf [2d?\]: A good game to watch. Thank you.
bleep [6k\]: Thank you
melon29 [4k\]: thx
Architect [2k\]: ty
guiguistar [2d\]: Thank you
sait [5k\]: thanks
HFIRE [9k?\]: /bow
aguilar1 [6d\]: by the way...
aguilar1 [6d\]: I suggest observers to read Go World number 97
Melusine [12k\]: thankyou
ThaElf [2d?\]: From where might I inquire?
Architect [2k\]: what is that aguilar?
aguilar1 [6d\]: there are a couple of games of breakfast and mine
ThaElf [2d?\]: As I'm not familiar with almost anything beyond kgs. Merely heard from here and there.
aguilar1 [6d\]: Spring 2003
aguilar1 [6d\]: Kiseido Publishing
aguilar1 [6d\]: see you next time
bleep [6k\]: https://www.google.co.zw/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDYQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiseido.com%2Fgo_world.htm&ei=hR-dUczXEYPKOLq4gJAN&usg=AFQjCNE1lkqgPLh7Z4RsreAx0FeTNJGNyg&bvm=bv.46751780,d.ZWU
bleep [6k\]: seems to be the link for the Go World series, but haven't checked it out yet...
aguilar1 [6d\]: thank you bleep
bleep [6k\]: pleasure, thanks for the game :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: see you
x0000 [-\]: Did he mean «Dinerchtein's First Professional Victory» or «Aguilar's Toyota Cup Triumph»? =)
])
(;B[ee]C[breakfast [3p\]: or this
breakfast [3p\]: can keep separated
]))
(;B[eg]C[breakfast [3p\]: if here -
breakfast [3p\]: can be very dangerous for W
]))
(;B[jl]C[breakfast [3p\]: was a key here
breakfast [3p\]: K8
aguilar1 [6d\]: yes, I see
breakfast [3p\]: I was happy to get it
]))
(;W[mk]))
(;B[rm]
;W[rn]
;B[ql]C[breakfast [3p\]: was afraid here
]))
(;B[rp]
;W[rq]
;B[rn]
;W[sp]
;B[qm]C[breakfast [3p\]: I thought you will cut
]
;W[rr]))
(;B[nn]
;W[mn]C[breakfast [3p\]: was my plan:
]
;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[mo]
;W[lo]C[breakfast [3p\]: for sabaki
])
(;B[on]C[breakfast [3p\]: maybe just extend?
]))
