(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[OohAah]WR[3p]BR[7d]DT[2010-05-26]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[breakfast [3p\]: Have a nice game!
breakfast [3p\]: insei league
OohAah [7d\]: have a nice game
]RE[B+Forfeit]
;B[qd]BL[1782.732]
;W[qq]WL[1785.839]
;B[dd]BL[1758.012]
;W[dp]WL[1774.348]
;B[kc]BL[1659.583]
;W[cf]WL[1764.897]C[Feelss [11k\]: chinese opening
Nightfawk [2k\]: is this a  practicing game ?
evanj [2d\]: no kidding
DanielTom [5d\]: I bet breakfast will win
Jhyn [6k?\]: insei league game, it seems
Jhyn [6k?\]: KGS insei league, I mean
]
;B[fd]BL[1624.082]
;W[di]WL[1756.886]C[gorga [1d\]: how can a pro play in insei league?
Spider2D [1d\]: he is the manager
whatisgo [2d\]: he is a teacher
DanielTom [5d\]: he plays a teacher
Feelss [11k\]: sorry evanj
whatisgo [2d\]: Q10
evanj [2d\]: it's ok
]
;B[qn]BL[1586.716]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: he plays in the league to demonstrate he's not weaker than the people he is teaching
Spider2D [1d\]: oh he is a teacher? i didnk know that o.o tought he came up with th eidea
Feelss [11k\]: its ironic but its ok to
evanj [2d\]: no hard feelings
terratoro: r6 was nice
MyIronLung [3k\]: is q6 also usual here?
]
;W[oq]WL[1711.419]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: q6 is fine
miao [6d\]: oohaah will win
miao [6d\]: :P
BD96 [3d\]: i think too
kamiiyu [9k\]: :)
terratoro: i hope#
Uberdude [3d?\]: i prefer q6 here i think
]
;B[pj]BL[1554.215]C[whatisgo [2d\]: I hope so , but don't think so
StarrySky [4k\]: Go ali !!! 
terratoro: but sir donerchstein has a brilliant yose
]
;W[od]WL[1674.031]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: reminds me of kaiho opening
]
;B[pf]BL[1537.089]
;W[qc]WL[1649.252]
;B[rc]BL[1534.792]
;W[pc]WL[1642.516]
;B[rb]BL[1533.563]C[terratoro: i bet breakfast will discuss q14 later
]
;W[mc]WL[1639.558]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: kgs  now has inseis ?
]
;B[nf]BL[1525.707]
;W[me]WL[1632.262]C[miao [6d\]: selfmade ones
mperahia [2k\]: there will be kgs-pro certificates soon
miao [6d\]: ^^
]
;B[ne]BL[1509.298]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: money scheme or trying to provide go ?
go2hell [1k?\]: n16 
mperahia [2k\]: both
jamesbonds [4k\]: kgs certificate ?
]
;W[nd]WL[1602.19]
;B[ld]BL[1507.599]C[whatisgo [2d\]: it was a joke
Nightfawk [2k\]: what do you gonna do to become kgs pro ?
mperahia [2k\]: also pro ranks for kyus available soon
SpenceR [3k\]: l18?
]
;W[kb]WL[1568.272]
;B[jb]BL[1504.619]
;W[lb]WL[1563.257]
;B[jc]BL[1503.147]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: mhhhh
]
;W[md]WL[1561.04]C[YesWeKant [2d\]: b should win
Maure [2d\]: breakfast playing a lot of public game: trying to promote his own lesson? ^^
go1d [4d\]: joseki
whatisgo [2d\]: there are oficial documents signed by pros that IGS gives
miao [6d\]: you get a certificate if you write on turnaments Hometown:EGR
Nightfawk [2k\]: joke ?? ohhhh joke
]
;B[bd]BL[1482.766]C[YesWeKant [2d\]: pasive!
terratoro: but 30 points
YesWeKant [2d\]: b16 suck
terratoro: its huge
mperahia [2k\]: b16 wins
juj: it's over
YesWeKant [2d\]: it's no fun to play like this
]
;W[cm]WL[1510.109]C[whatisgo [2d\]: go isn't about fun
terratoro: o it is
Nightfawk [2k\]: rly ?
juj: whatisgo oughta know
FlyingDish [4k\]: go is all about killing.
ZeNit [4d\]: Of course it is
elesey [1k\]: it was supposed to be
Nightfawk [2k\]: is it about handkerchiefs then?
ZeNit [4d\]: If you're not playing go for fun, you're doing it wrong.
FlyingDish [4k\]: ;p  just kidding.  sorry
donkeyfly [9k\]: go is about fun kiling and gerring killed
petepython [13k?\]: it's about beauty
]
;B[np]BL[1415.656]C[mperahia [2k\]: miao, wanna show deniro what go is about?
whatisgo [2d\]: pros playing go for fun?
elesey [1k\]: zenit, most players in kgs play for winning
dima17 [1k\]: o4 ??
elesey [1k\]: fun is secondary
aware [4k\]: its about kibitz!
ZeNit [4d\]: Pros are doing it wrong
pleaselose [1k?\]: o4 looks pretty good
dima17 [1k\]: Pros enjoy go
]
;W[op]WL[1478.794]C[dima17 [1k\]: that is why they became pros in the 1st place
evanj [2d\]: not as much as amateurs do
terratoro: o4 weakends b side
evanj [2d\]: o4 is standard shape
dxxd [-\]: some people value money more than their life
]
;B[no]BL[1380.844]C[elesey [1k\]: i don't know once they are pros, but i've often heard of pros that didn't enjoy go when they were insei
aware [4k\]: transforming your hobby into your job takes a lot of fun away
pleaselose [1k?\]: but he can press the white position on bottom
dima17 [1k\]: o4 strange
terratoro: and w can invade now
Godfather [1k\]: aware, I agree with you
go1d [4d\]: q6 
evanj [2d\]: o4 not strange, dima
juj: that's why you have to have two hobbies
Uberdude [3d?\]: o4 reducing non interesting area imo
Godfather [1k\]: that happened with me during my adult movies acting experience)
]
;W[mr]WL[1416.859]C[go1d [4d\]: lol le soumis
]
;B[oo]BL[1364.332]C[terratoro: d2
pleaselose [1k?\]: i wonder what sequence breakfast read for q6
Uberdude [3d?\]: r12 and r8 holes
Uberdude [3d?\]: side is not b's
aware [4k\]: well...im a software developer :)
evanj [2d\]: then shouldn't you be developing software?
Uberdude [3d?\]: pleaselose, he reads it is complicated
]
;W[eq]WL[1389.063]C[terratoro: w has r15 as well
terratoro: later
Uberdude [3d?\]: so he doesn't play it
Uberdude [3d?\]: he reads n2 sente then e3
Godfather [1k\]: hm
Uberdude [3d?\]: boring win
Godfather [1k\]: looks even
whatisgo [2d\]: they don't wanna fight :(
sweetleaf [1k\]: they have the same style :)
]
;B[kp]BL[1337.489]C[aware [4k\]: evan - i do.. but dont think for a second, i enjoy coding as a hobby in my free time anymore:)
PokerMania [7d\]: isnt upper right good for b?
iTengen [3k\]: probably
Godfather [1k\]: o10 - nothing?
iTengen [3k\]: breakfast aint so stong
juj: they say that if wC7 is at wC6, invasion at bC3 is dead. but how about when the white stone is at where it now stands (wC7) ?
]
;W[qh]WL[1365.921]C[terratoro: r11 for b was huge
SpenceR [3k\]: was looking at this
sweetleaf [1k\]: ah :)
MyIronLung [3k\]: bold?
pleaselose [1k?\]: though w is very solid, so invading shouldnt be a prob...
SpenceR [3k\]: using r15 or someting like it
Uberdude [3d?\]: juj, probably dead
elesey [1k\]: but do you enjoy it when y ou work ?
go1d [4d\]: r13 
Uberdude [3d?\]: but g3 and c9 aim at c3
FlyingDish [4k\]: I bet breakfast can live.  1taco !!
sweetleaf [1k\]: maybe he wants some aji to do something around R8, isolating black stones
aware [4k\]: most of the time - but it took away a great hobby:)
docJ [6k\]: is that a breakfast taco?
Kalmah [-\]: breakfast too strong
natural19 [7d\]: l4 was strange
FlyingDish [4k\]: yes.
Kalmah [-\]: Go breakfast!
kamiiyu [9k\]: tripalium
terratoro: b r11 instea natural??
StarrySky [4k\]: Go Ali !! 
Uberdude [3d?\]: where would be natural?
Nightfawk [2k\]: q 16
terratoro: l4 r12 was kinda miai
yakotaki [-\]: s14 
miao [6d\]: n10 maybe
Kalmah [-\]: Breakfast way too strong
terratoro: n10 looks risky
evanj [2d\]: but n10 has no effect on w
Uberdude [3d?\]: i was wondering about o10
terratoro: b top is weak now
Uberdude [3d?\]: and say n10 kills r8 and r12
adhitthana [1d\]: wow
inochi33 [4k\]: im thinking  q11
SpenceR [3k\]: s14?
miao [6d\]: nah n10 does not kill
miao [6d\]: but instead of l4
petepython [13k?\]: p12
pleaselose [1k?\]: q11 only good if it's 100% kill
natural19 [7d\]: no n10
miao [6d\]: maybe r13 q12 n12
Godfather [1k\]: r10 very bad?
mrgrimm [4k\]: tenuki
ibd [6k?\]: o12
terratoro: id s10
]
;B[qi]BL[1074.383]C[miao [6d\]: hoho
ibd [6k?\]: ho
meuns [3d?\]: seems very bad
miao [6d\]: ali goes for it
pleaselose [1k?\]: b gonna sac some stones maybe
]
;W[qf]WL[1344.973]C[meuns [3d?\]: why not r10 ?
zaphodb [2d\]: inducing o12?
SpenceR [3k\]: then p12?
resolute [?\]: ko?
ibd [6k?\]: no ko
wishstrong [22k\]: q15?
Godfather [1k\]: q15?
Godfather [1k\]: =)
ibd [6k?\]: 22k and 1k not sure alike
iTengen [3k\]: lol
terratoro: r15
OTBET [6k?\]: 1=22
pleaselose [1k?\]: i dunno about q15, i thought r15 is only move there
jack47 [2k\]: q15 p12 
ibd [6k?\]: 1+22=23
ibd [6k?\]: OMG
AutoAtari [3k\]: s14?
louperivoi [12k\]: 3 p = professionnel ?
iTengen [3k\]: yes
terratoro: q15 makes w alive
iTengen [3k\]: but he is the weakest pro ever
adhitthana [1d\]: I don't understand R11
Goorima [1k\]: rofl
adhitthana [1d\]: isn't it the stronger side?
mute32: iTengen not true -_-
sdsddd: why is the weakest pro ever?
iTengen [3k\]: r11 prevents w playing like r10 and living
ibd [6k?\]: because troll
AutoAtari [3k\]: breakfast is not weak
meuns [3d?\]: weak ? not really...
miao [6d\]: dinerchtin somehow won to 9p
piku [3k\]: weak and pro... funny
juj: adhilthanb: what instead then?
jamesbonds [4k\]: haha
iTengen [3k\]: 9p? lol
adhitthana [1d\]: R13
pleaselose [1k?\]: yes breakfast won against o rissei 9p once
jamesbonds [4k\]: weak + pro = ??
AutoAtari [3k\]: he beat my pro
iTengen [3k\]: but liu yuanbo could crush him and he is 2p
miao [6d\]: so what
]
;B[pe]BL[853.28]C[warnow [7d\]: alex is a promoted pro 
soeasy [4d\]: ranking in pros doesnt matter
terratoro: wow
AutoAtari [3k\]: 22k wins
sweetleaf [1k\]: he has won European championship many times - he's incredibly strong
warnow [7d\]: he didnt pass the exsmas
terratoro: w seems alive now
ibd [6k?\]: 1k wins
OKamber [2k\]: difference between pros is very small..
dima17 [1k\]: p12 
jack47 [2k\]: Alexander Dinerstein is strong!
warnow [7d\]: yes
inochi33 [4k\]: the differnece between low pro and high pro is only half to one stone diff, and pro amatur is about the same
pleaselose [1k?\]: thats the problem of the professional ranking system. new strong players become 1p who are way stronger than old 9p players
warnow [7d\]: but not as a korea pro 
docJ [6k\]: what is breakfast's real name?
soeasy [4d\]: of cuz there are instance where amatuers win pro as well 
blackstork [?\]: Same pointless discussion whenver breakfast plays.....
Godfather [1k\]: Alex
iTengen [3k\]: alexander dinerchstein
juj: Alexandre Grigorievich Dinerchtein
iTengen [3k\]: from russia
juj: Dinerchtein
miao [6d\]: pro is pro some are stronger tan others like liu and there are monsters like gu li
docJ [6k\]: ah  thanx
juj: I don't think it's been spelled correcly once during this kibitz
]
;W[pg]WL[1280.158]C[ProInside [5k\]: how can he pro if he havent pass the pro exam oO ?
iTengen [3k\]: in fact there is more than one way to romanise russian so careful thee
soeasy [4d\]: winning tournaments
Shadowman [1d\]: his name is Russian, juj
ProInside [5k\]: +be*
ibd [6k?\]: there's more than one way to skin the cat
warnow [7d\]: i think i will even i had the chance i wont play gu li ...
iTengen [3k\]: ... blasphemy!
ibd [6k?\]: p12!
soeasy [4d\]: yeah
Shadowman [1d\]: how you spell it is a matter of convention
brooklyn [3d\]: i lke p12
pleaselose [1k?\]: b playing pretty meekly there. w is more or less alive already
terratoro: s12
miao [6d\]: p12 and w lives i feel
meuns [3d?\]: deniro is waiting !
terratoro: s12 and ko
miao [6d\]: de niro is fake
wishstrong [22k\]: s13
blonpina [10k\]: they both see this chat room, ye? It's a F game
ibd [6k?\]: thanks brooklyn
terratoro: s13 to lose
wishstrong [22k\]: oh
terratoro: s12 s12 s12# or tenuki
soeasy [4d\]: s15?
pleaselose [1k?\]: no they can't, only in T and D they can see chat
elesey [1k\]: no blopina, only teaching game shows the chat room to players
AutoAtari [3k\]: is Dinerchtein a Jewish surname?
hadlar [4d\]: deniro look real
DanielTom [5d\]: B wants p12 
OKamber [2k\]: maybe O 12
Godfather [1k\]: Alexander is a greek name
soeasy [4d\]: but n15 is out
terratoro: p12 looks ok
blonpina [10k\]: oh, i see thx
sunray [4k\]: his last name is russian I believe
goth [?\]: w alive after b P12
miao [6d\]: his anem is alexandre
OTBET [6k?\]: lol greek
miao [6d\]: i think
gdu000 [3k\]: World Amature Championship is going on now in China, any high dans here went?
Godfather [1k\]: че трещишь? Александр - греческое имя
evanj [2d\]: i was going to go, but they kicked me out because i am too strong
Andrew68: just watch his profile if you're uncertain about his name:P
warnow [7d\]: lol
miao [6d\]: ok
OTBET [6k?\]:  ghjbc[j;ltybt uhtxtcrjt yj bvz yt uhtxtcrjt
hadlar [4d\]: why not just p12 here/
meuns [3d?\]: DENIRO IS WAITING !
rvrey [6k\]: P12 ^^?
OTBET [6k?\]: происхождение греческое но имя не греческое
meuns [3d?\]: 9D IS WAITING
iTengen [3k\]: 9d will have to wait longer
miao [6d\]: even he doesn´t know id alexandre or alex
soeasy [4d\]: w has n15 out, i think kinda tough to surround territories outside
mperahia [2k\]: play him and be quiet
adhitthana [1d\]: noone can play him
iTengen [3k\]: as alex will not play him
warnow [7d\]: deniro can wait i am not going to plat blitz again !
]
;B[oh]BL[655.795]C[meuns [3d?\]: hehehe
]
;W[re]WL[1272.768]C[warnow [7d\]: play *
meuns [3d?\]: plat ?
meuns [3d?\]: ha :)
meuns [3d?\]: white is alive :)
bossyboots [2d\]: is he talking Italian?
dima17 [1k\]: high dans don't plat , they plat !
dima17 [1k\]: *PLAY
mperahia [2k\]: fail
evanj [2d\]: hahaahh
]
;B[rg]BL[610.262]C[daladim [1d\]: lol
meuns [3d?\]: EVANJJJJJ
dima17 [1k\]: high dans don't play, they plat
juj: they don't play, the plat? or the other way around?
evanj [2d\]: we'll never know
Godfather [1k\]: мерседес - происхождение машины немецкое, но машина не немецкая?
AutoAtari [3k\]: they platypus
pleaselose [1k?\]: to plat, or not to plat. that is the question.
adhitthana [1d\]: what did w read?
soeasy [4d\]: s16
resolute [?\]: miao how can u say deniro is fake if u lost 3 times in a row to him??
soeasy [4d\]: ko i think
hadlar [4d\]: don't think this works
AutoAtari [3k\]: a good book
OTBET [6k?\]: не правильно тут не надо сравнивать александр имя интернациональное давным давно
Godfather [1k\]: oh, so q15 was correct
miao [6d\]: w in trouble
go1d [4d\]: white is dead
aware [4k\]: this reminds me of the "count without o"-typo from earlier today^^
DanielTom [5d\]: B played the way I thought he would
evanj [2d\]: oh i've done that before aware
go1d [4d\]: black plays good
evanj [2d\]: it wasn't pretty
soeasy [4d\]: s16,r13,s14,s12,r18,s19,t17,t17,t15,t18 ko
pippo2 [10k\]: w s 16 b r 13 ?'
OKamber [2k\]: i think w will play anywhere on the board
jack47 [2k\]: Да какая разница, Динер крут и спору нет ) Смотрим на партию, не каждый раз его игру увидишь
Godfather [1k\]: все имена интернациональные
DanielTom [5d\]: breakfast is usually good at invading... did he play an invasion that doesn't work?
iTengen [3k\]: how did you get to 5d
iTengen [3k\]: pure strength?
OTBET [6k?\]: ппц есил не выживет тут
DanielTom [5d\]: iTen, and some magic spells
AutoAtari [3k\]: he ate lots of carrots
OnTheWay [4k\]: itengen - no he bribed all his opponents
mperahia [2k\]: deniro is gone
StarrySky [4k\]: Go Ali ! :D
rausku [-\]: you have to just bribe 5 to get 5d here, right?
DanielTom [5d\]: that too, OTW
docJ [6k\]: to get to 5D take the IND
DanielTom [5d\]: dans can use the force to control their opponents
gdu000 [3k\]: set up two accounts, then play self, one beats the other all the time
DanielTom [5d\]: that's cheating...
warnow [7d\]: what do you mean tom?
]
;W[rd]WL[1082.959]C[iTengen [3k\]: lol
mperahia [2k\]: problem is that ur other account gets weaker
playtime [4k\]: gdu, you can't play a ranked game with greater than 6 diff in rank
juj: I don't think that works
jayantu [3k\]: ALEX BUMBAYE
Worthless [-\]: Problem is it's against the ToS.
pleaselose [1k?\]: these are not the stones you are trying to capture *wave hand
]
;B[qg]BL[577.106]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: with the other account you can also play serious games
mperahia [2k\]: so, u are 9 k, auto
AutoAtari [3k\]: no I'm not cheating :)
fisz [-\]: good yose by w
mperahia [2k\]: :)
mperahia [2k\]: lol, fisz
juj: :D
Light13 [4k\]: s12
Worthless [-\]: ..yose?
breakfast [3p\]: Ali, I am a bit ill, can we finish it next time?
AutoAtari [3k\]: although sometimes I play like 9k or worse
minimelcer [4d\]: good yose
SeoTaiji [1d\]: ahahah..all these move for yose?what a joke
Monstre [1d\]: the pro is gonna lose to a 16 years old kid
OohAah [7d\]: sure i guess
breakfast [3p\]: maybe better to resign, but I still think W has chances
Worthless [-\]: Quick, someone get a remedy and send it to breakfast via express mail
sunray [4k\]: the pro is quitting lol
breakfast [3p\]: thx
minimelcer [4d\]: LOL
OohAah [7d\]: np
juj: lol
breakfast [3p\]: see you around!
Malingo [4d\]: s14 
jamesbonds [4k\]: ..
iTengen [3k\]: lol
sdsddd: it s almost finished anyway
Godfather [1k\]: Ali congrats!
SeoTaiji [1d\]: what the hell
wishstrong [22k\]: aaaaaaaa
rausku [-\]: what the heck is wrong with you all? 
juj: was  this a tournament game again?
SeoTaiji [1d\]: that fu***** su****!!!!
ben0 [5d\]:  breakfast [3p\]: maybe better to resign, but I still think W has chances -> strong player
goth [?\]: chicken out
DanielTom [5d\]: ...
StarrySky [4k\]: ??
wefref: white has lots of potential
iTengen [3k\]: lololol
evanj [2d\]: perhaps but he is a bit ill
pleaselose [1k?\]: yeah... he has all those stones and stuff...
StarrySky [4k\]: they left>? 
goth [?\]: seems pros escape as well...
warnow [7d\]: i am not sure w have big chance
jamesbonds [4k\]: hahaha
AutoAtari [3k\]: that's unprofessional
docJ [6k\]: did breakfast leave?
wefref: not a big chance
iTengen [3k\]: anyone want to explain to me how w isn't the weakest pro ever now?
go1d [4d\]: fake pro
jamesbonds [4k\]: de pro
wefref: but he can do some stuff
evanj [2d\]: cut him some slack, he's a bit ill
pleaselose [1k?\]: right
Uberdude [3d?\]: escaper!
pippo2 [10k\]: w j 3?
minimelcer [4d\]: yes fake pro
ben0 [5d\]: white is the world strongest pro after Chuck Norris
pleaselose [1k?\]: a slightly ill pro, perhaps
WavieDavie [3d?\]: what you talking about
WavieDavie [3d?\]: even pros make mistakes
softy [6d\]: escaped?
WavieDavie [3d?\]: he just misjudged that
iTengen [3k\]: yeah
ooze: s14 s12 r18 s19 t18 
WavieDavie [3d?\]: plus most pros play long games
StarrySky [4k\]: w r15 and  s18 dies?
Hightway [6k\]: breakfast escaper :x
pleaselose [1k?\]: the bat-fu was not strong in breakfast tonight
Monstre [1d\]: u guys should stop criticizing  even if he became pro without passing the pro exam    he managed to go to korea  and make his dream come true     u guys should not be jealous
wefref: there is a pro exam?
wishstrong [22k\]: anyone give a score est.? who may win?
wefref: lol, elaborate please
iTengen [3k\]: yeah but it denigrates the dream itself
igomad00 [5k\]: http://www4.ocn.ne.jp/~dken/
softy [6d\]: b looks better
softy [6d\]: b has c9 too
louperivoi [12k\]: Monstre a raison. Critiquer est monstrueux.
wefref: just out of curiosit
wefref: y
wefref: k3 would help white?
pleaselose [1k?\]: k3? i dunno, that doesn't seem very good
SpenceR [3k\]: s14?
Monstre [1d\]: why not P12 instead of Q13 ?
Julian [?\]: s12! :)
natural19 [7d\]: why not resign?
kamiiyu [9k\]: breakfast [3p\]: maybe better to resign, but I still think W has chances -
rabaka: so he should prove it
jayantu [3k\]: who is oohaah
rabaka: ali jabarin
Dane [8k?\]: s14?
jayantu [3k\]: ok then its
jayantu [3k\]: ali bumbaye
chrayma [7k\]: W has escaped !!
iTengen [3k\]: someone get a mod!
ViperDee [3k\]: maybe he has to pee
ViperDee [3k\]: or heaving breakfast like breakfast
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