(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[-40.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[cbcvcvcv]WR[3p]BR[5k]DT[2011-10-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[cbcvcvcv [5k\]: hi gg
]RE[W+37.50]
;B[pd]BL[1791.822]C[breakfast [3p\]: have a great game!
]
;W[dc]WL[1772.012]
;B[qp]BL[1778.099]
;W[eq]WL[1751.509]
;B[cp]BL[1763.848]
;W[np]WL[1743.296]
;B[cm]BL[1725.077]
;W[dn]WL[1725.971]C[norg [6k\]: Pro vs 5k even. I WONDER WHO WILL WIN.
]
;B[cn]BL[1685.712]
;W[cq]WL[1695.853]
;B[do]BL[1671.88]
;W[cf]WL[1645.394]
;B[en]BL[1649.97]
;W[bp]WL[1631.384]
;B[pn]BL[1582.281]
;W[nc]WL[1625.728]
;B[nd]BL[1550.602]
;W[md]WL[1589.048]
;B[ne]BL[1541.099]
;W[oc]WL[1558.038]
;B[pc]BL[1535.723]
;W[jc]WL[1555.814]
;B[pf]BL[1526.598]
;W[kp]WL[1545.048]
;B[qk]BL[1510.087]
;W[ck]WL[1538.31]
;B[bo]BL[1494.222]
;W[dp]WL[1534.463]
;B[co]BL[1485.08]
;W[ef]WL[1525.597]
;B[ep]BL[1476.368]
;W[dq]WL[1510.516]
;B[fp]BL[1473.062]
;W[gq]WL[1497.53]
;B[fq]BL[1467.674]
;W[fr]WL[1493.272]
;B[gp]BL[1464.835]C[KillerX [3k\]: the 5k. =p
]
;W[hq]WL[1470.815]
;B[oq]BL[1460.324]C[darkluffy [3k\]: well there is 5 ones
]
;W[nq]WL[1457.962]
;B[or]BL[1455.045]C[KillerX [3k\]: The 5k wins automatically for being brave. Haha.
]
;W[qq]WL[1425.884]
;B[pq]BL[1444.14]C[xxx1 [-\]: .. interesting komi
]
;W[qh]WL[1413.951]C[lealo [6k?\]: yeah
]
;B[qg]BL[1420.865]
;W[rp]WL[1338.168]
;B[qo]BL[1397.703]
;W[qj]WL[1322.555]C[KillerX [3k\]: r2 for w is alive right?
]
;B[ph]BL[1383.394]C[darkluffy [3k\]: don't know, seems impossible
KillerX [3k\]: im pretty sure white is alive if he plays r2 
darkluffy [3k\]: i wonder what w is trying to do
KillerX [3k\]: Just create aji
mkeller [5k\]: tripod group, right?
KillerX [3k\]: yes mkeller. =\] I (think) so
]
;W[pi]WL[1275.186]
;B[rh]BL[1374.82]C[mkeller [5k\]: lives i think, but in gote...
KillerX [3k\]: Well, gote is enough to secure the game for white.
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: welcome to join our league, if you like to get teaching games too! http://insei-league.com/
KillerX [3k\]: cuz black would only have one corner of territory at this point.
]
;W[pk]WL[1247.468]
;B[ql]BL[1361.002]C[mkeller [5k\]: yeah, but there are bigger points for now. it's all about timing :)
KillerX [3k\]: yes
KillerX [3k\]: which is why white is living on the right
KillerX [3k\]: lol
darkluffy [3k\]: i must revise the tripod :p
mkeller [5k\]: the lower right is psychological warfare by w imo
KillerX [3k\]: No.. I think it's a proper invasion.
KillerX [3k\]: lol
mkeller [5k\]: true, but b can stilll kill, if he wants to give up sente that is :)
KillerX [3k\]: I also think black could become in danger later if white lives there.
darkluffy [3k\]: b could have killed it, it was overplay from w (or psychological warfare.. :))
KillerX [3k\]: It creates aji. 
KillerX [3k\]: i really doubt breakfast 3p overplayed.
KillerX [3k\]: lol.
darkluffy [3k\]: ^^
KillerX [3k\]: then again maybe im wrong. <_< even pros can overplay. But i'm the same rank as you so. Neither of us really have a good argument =P
darkluffy [3k\]: well sometime to gain time..
mkeller [5k\]: well, it clearly created aji in the sense that w can live whenever he pleases to do so :)
mkeller [5k\]: (assuming that this is actually a version of the tripod group)
darkluffy [3k\]: but i don't think b answered correctly
darkluffy [3k\]: but yes, i'm far from 3p ^^
mkeller [5k\]: was r5 slack?
KillerX [3k\]: oh
KillerX [3k\]: yes
KillerX [3k\]: this is a tripod group if white plays r2
KillerX [3k\]: it lives as it stands. 
mkeller [5k\]: with r2 that is
mkeller [5k\]: yes
KillerX [3k\]: yes
KillerX [3k\]: that's 18 points
KillerX [3k\]: if white plays r2
]
;W[ri]WL[1044.237]C[mkeller [5k\]: actually, could p2 be a problem here?
breakfast [3p\]: sorry
cbcvcvcv [5k\]: np
KillerX [3k\]: no
KillerX [3k\]: p2 dosnt do anything
mkeller [5k\]: well, p2 being here makes the s2 invasion interesting for b, doesnt it?
]
;B[qi]BL[1305.923]C[mkeller [5k\]: wr2 s2 s1 t2 q2 q1 ?
]
;W[rk]WL[1013.324]C[KillerX [3k\]: if black s2...
]
;B[oi]BL[1292.353]C[mkeller [5k\]: so how does w answer s2?
KillerX [3k\]: let me read it out e__e 
KillerX [3k\]: one sec.
]
;W[qh]WL[993.028]
;B[gr]BL[1285.913]C[Dragonsea [9k\]: s1?
mkeller [5k\]: see sequence above
]
;W[hr]WL[975.876]
;B[qi]BL[1282.441]C[Dragonsea [9k\]: oh sorry
]
;W[pj]WL[961.482]
;B[rl]BL[1275.16]C[mkeller [5k\]: or rather: r2 s5 t3 s2 s1 t2 q2 q1 
]
;W[qh]WL[951.299]C[mkeller [5k\]: that would kill w, wouldnt it?
]
;B[er]BL[1270.472]
;W[gs]WL[947.106]
;B[qi]BL[1267.319]
;W[oh]WL[943.563]C[Dragonsea [9k\]: t3 afterwards, no?
]
;B[ni]BL[1256.902]
;W[qh]WL[941.675]
(;B[bq]BL[1253.966]C[mkeller [5k\]: doesnt help
Dragonsea [9k\]: true
]
;W[pg]WL[919.408]
;B[cr]BL[1251.156]C[kubula [4k\]: ignore
]
;W[qf]WL[907.343]C[mkeller [5k\]: if p2 werent there, then w could live, but as it stands he cant live it seems
breakfast [3p\]: bad trade for B
]
;B[qe]BL[1242.797]
;W[rg]WL[891.791]
;B[rf]BL[1234.94]
;W[qr]WL[887.479]C[mkeller [5k\]: tons of ko threats though :)
]
;B[ro]BL[1217.557]
;W[sq]WL[883.863]
;B[rr]BL[1213.433]C[Dragonsea [9k\]: what if he doesnt play q2 but S4?
mkeller [5k\]: then he gains nothing whatsoever
mkeller [5k\]: he needs a second eye, and s4 doesnt give him that
]
;W[rs]WL[839.026]
;B[sr]BL[1201.288]C[darkluffy [3k\]: w clearly dead
mkeller [5k\]: yup
]
;W[nr]WL[805.585]C[KillerX [3k\]: t3 
mkeller [5k\]: w only wasted ko threats
KillerX [3k\]: for w
KillerX [3k\]: hmm
kubula [4k\]: waht was that??
kubula [4k\]: what*
darkluffy [3k\]: forces b to answer
]
;B[ps]BL[1151.63]C[mkeller [5k\]: not really
darkluffy [3k\]: yes
mkeller [5k\]: what does w do if b ignores?
darkluffy [3k\]: if b don't answer w lives
]
;W[me]WL[783.628]C[darkluffy [3k\]: w q1
mkeller [5k\]: oh,q1 yes
mkeller [5k\]: you're right
mkeller [5k\]: just keikashi then
KillerX [3k\]: and actually
KillerX [3k\]: yes
KillerX [3k\]: p2  does effect the group
mkeller [5k\]: nice tripod reading exercise :)
KillerX [3k\]: yeah.
]
;B[ci]BL[1063.055]C[mkeller [5k\]: really helpful to know in fact
KillerX [3k\]: yeah
KillerX [3k\]: lol
]
;W[dj]WL[772.874]
(;B[di]BL[1059.708]
;W[ei]WL[767.357]
;B[ej]BL[1057.809]C[mkeller [5k\]: i still wonder why w played it out. just hoping for b to make a mistake?
]
;W[ek]WL[761.935]C[cbcvcvcv [5k\]: ok
]
;B[cj]BL[1053.147]C[KillerX [3k\]: ko threats.
KillerX [3k\]: aji
KillerX [3k\]: ect.
mkeller [5k\]: but he wasted all his threats
]
;W[fj]WL[751.339]
;B[bk]BL[1051.669]
;W[nf]WL[747.127]C[mkeller [5k\]: he got o2 in sente, but that's about it
darkluffy [3k\]: gain time for other games i think
]
(;B[od]BL[1031.951]C[mkeller [5k\]: could be
KillerX [3k\]: lol
KillerX [3k\]: haha
KillerX [3k\]: if that's true
KillerX [3k\]: that would be pretty funny
KillerX [3k\]: xD
cbcvcvcv [5k\]: yes.. I couldnt find how
]
;W[ll]WL[729.541]C[darkluffy [3k\]: :p
mkeller [5k\]: maybe he was relying on shape, and didnt bother reading it out
]
;B[mc]BL[1022.043]
;W[lc]WL[723.04]
;B[mb]BL[1019.704]C[KillerX [3k\]: he dosnt even need to read
KillerX [3k\]: the bottom right corner is 2nd nature to him.
]
;W[lb]WL[712.122]C[KillerX [3k\]: lol
]
;B[nb]BL[1016.514]C[KillerX [3k\]: He knows exactly how it lives and dies just at a glance.
]
;W[il]WL[697.503]
;B[de]BL[1013.956]C[darkluffy [3k\]: i think a pro knows directly if it's alive or not. It's a common form
]
;W[ce]WL[689.462]
;B[df]BL[1008.638]
;W[dg]WL[687.161]
;B[cg]BL[1006.414]
;W[ee]WL[684.513]C[mkeller [5k\]: i' still love to know why he played it out though. is there some high-level concept at work?
]
;B[cc]BL[991.466]C[KillerX [3k\]: Yes... Very high level stuff. Aji.. ko threats..
KillerX [3k\]: Making time.
KillerX [3k\]: XD
]
;W[db]WL[663.333]C[mkeller [5k\]: time is the only reason i can think of
]
;B[mf]BL[972.446]C[mkeller [5k\]: w's center is growing to quite an impressive size though
]
;W[ke]WL[611.673]
;B[mg]BL[949.44]
;W[of]WL[580.042]
;B[qg]BL[943.19]
;W[nk]WL[574.214]C[mkeller [5k\]: ouch
]
;B[ng]BL[934.097]
;W[qf]WL[566.855]
;B[cd]BL[921.526]
;W[dd]WL[558.475]
;B[qg]BL[919.355]
;W[og]WL[506.086]
;B[nh]BL[913.82]
;W[kg]WL[478.652]C[mkeller [5k\]: when people talk about dead groups, they have something like n13 in mind
]
;B[ki]BL[899.109]
;W[ii]WL[459.181]
;B[mk]BL[875.58]C[darkluffy [3k\]: it's a pure slaughter
]
;W[ml]WL[450.529]
;B[ok]BL[866.439]
;W[ol]WL[445.322]
;B[nj]BL[860.773]
;W[nl]WL[434.952]
;B[lk]BL[858.95]C[mkeller [5k\]: w seems to have made up for the reverse komi
darkluffy [3k\]: i cannot think that b is 5k
]
;W[lh]WL[399.707]
;B[le]BL[829.462]
;W[ld]WL[383.198]
;B[kf]BL[826.926]
;W[jf]WL[373.588]
;B[lg]BL[813.637]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: hmm why ? 
]
;W[kh]WL[365.589]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: just came here didnt saw the game :3
]
;B[kl]BL[804.517]C[mkeller [5k\]: then n14 cut helped w so much...
darkluffy [3k\]: well he made really big mistakes
]
;W[km]WL[350.172]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: we all. 
iR2Noob [8k\]: Oop
]
;B[jl]BL[798.637]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: oops * i'm 8k that doesnt count :D
mkeller [5k\]: or rather allowing o14
]
;W[jm]WL[319.125]
;B[jk]BL[789.091]
;W[ik]WL[312.183]
;B[jj]BL[785.101]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: m11 ? 
]
;W[li]WL[282.149]C[darkluffy [3k\]: b is thinking if he has to play :)
darkluffy [3k\]: w
]
;B[ij]BL[767.363]
;W[hi]WL[275.813]C[mkeller [5k\]: w is up by over 20 points now
]
;B[hj]BL[756.145]
;W[gl]WL[273.318]
;B[gk]BL[751.035]
;W[fl]WL[271.138]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: even more i guess.
mkeller [5k\]: taking komi into account that is
]
;B[lm]BL[667.495]
;W[ln]WL[263.643]C[darkluffy [3k\]: ...
]
;B[mm]BL[663.959]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: how is m7 good ¬¬
]
;W[nn]WL[257.946]C[darkluffy [3k\]: is that really how a 5k plays?
kubula [4k\]: lol
]
;B[kn]BL[635.479]
;W[jn]WL[253.51]
;B[ko]BL[631.275]
;W[jo]WL[242.415]C[Gaos [2k\]: ok... Try to play without handicap against a pro...
iR2Noob [8k\]: yeah dude but
darkluffy [3k\]: well you see like me M7
iR2Noob [8k\]: taking the ko at r14 was hopeless.
]
;B[lo]BL[581.041]C[mkeller [5k\]: m7 and l6 were really lame
iR2Noob [8k\]: he should have escape
iR2Noob [8k\]: now he is dead.
]
;W[mo]WL[211.413]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: well
iR2Noob [8k\]: all that sequence was lame
]
;B[hm]BL[469.48]
;W[hl]WL[101.329]
;B[pl]BL[440.603]
;W[oj]WL[97.958]
;B[om]BL[439.019]
;W[nm]WL[96.117]
;B[bg]BL[431.27]
;W[bf]WL[89.802]
;B[bd]BL[419.696]
;W[bb]WL[83.6]C[zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: welcome to join our league, if you like to get teaching games too! http://insei-league.com/
]
;B[dh]BL[409.922]
;W[eh]WL[69.694]
;B[af]BL[406.52]
;W[ae]WL[67.261]
;B[ag]BL[403.832]
;W[be]WL[37.173]
;B[sg]BL[382.214]
;W[ma]WL[24.638]
;B[ob]BL[378.968]
;W[ho]WL[10.532]
;B[gn]BL[356.367]
;W[sl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[sm]BL[350.002]
;W[sk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rn]BL[321.707]
;W[si]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ns]BL[284.764]
;W[mr]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ms]BL[271.147]
;W[ls]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[os]BL[269.892]
;W[lr]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[on]BL[250.832]
;W[oo]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pp]BL[242.105]
;W[sh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rg]BL[238.046]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gm]BL[232.453]
;W[im]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[hp]BL[227.838]
;W[ip]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[dm]BL[221.181]
;W[go]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fn]BL[209.884]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[eo]BL[206.091]
;W[cl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[bl]BL[201.799]
;W[dl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[es]BL[189.987]
;W[fs]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[op]BL[180.26]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[oa]BL[176.562]
;W[la]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[oe]BL[170.749]
;W[ph]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[po]BL[147.507]
;W[no]WL[60]OW[5]C[Orunandaka [5k\]: dang painful
]
;B[em]BL[86.298]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[]BL[79.691]
;W[]WL[60]OW[5]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][ab][cb][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][ac][bc][cc][ec][fc][gc][hc][ic][kc][ad][bd][cd][ed][fd][gd][hd][id][jd][kd][de][fe][ge][he][ie][je][le][df][ff][gf][hf][if][kf][lf][mf][eg][fg][gg][hg][ig][jg][lg][mg][ng][fh][gh][hh][ih][jh][mh][nh][fi][gi][ji][ki][mi][ni][oi][qi][ej][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][rj][sj][dk][fk][gk][hk][jk][kk][lk][mk][ok][jl][kl][lm][mm][in][kn][mn][io][ko][lo][jp][lp][mp][iq][jq][kq][lq][mq][gr][ir][jr][kr][hs][is][js][ks]TB[pa][qa][ra][sa][pb][qb][rb][sb][nc][oc][qc][rc][sc][qd][rd][sd][pe][re][se][qf][sf][ah][bh][ch][ai][bi][aj][bj][ak][al][am][bm][pm][qm][rm][an][bn][dn][qn][sn][ao][so][ap][bp][dp][rp][sp][aq][cq][dq][eq][qq][rq][sq][ar][br][dr][pr][qr][as][bs][cs][ds][qs][rs][ss]C[cbcvcvcv [5k\]: thanks
breakfast [3p\]: thx
breakfast [3p\]: got too much in the center
])
(;B[ji]C[breakfast [3p\]: or here
breakfast [3p\]: see you again!
cbcvcvcv [5k\]: thanks
cbcvcvcv [5k\]: cya
]))
(;B[cc]
;W[db]
;B[if]C[breakfast [3p\]: have to reduce my moyo now
breakfast [3p\]: until it's not too late
]))
(;B[pg]C[breakfast [3p\]: ko threat was not big
breakfast [3p\]: B3
]))
