(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[TeamRocket]PB[danigabi]WR[3d]BR[5d]DT[2010-04-06]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1798.391]C[danigabi [5d\]: good luck!
TeamRocket [3d\]: hi, have fun
]
;W[dd]WL[1792.094]
;B[pq]BL[1796.511]
;W[dp]WL[1789.372]
;B[fc]BL[1793.43]
;W[cf]WL[1779.234]
;B[kc]BL[1789.069]
;W[po]WL[1771.182]
;B[qm]BL[1784.62]
;W[pm]WL[1625.518]
;B[pl]BL[1749.759]
;W[om]WL[1621.878]
;B[qn]BL[1746.448]
;W[qo]WL[1619.413]
;B[np]BL[1744.832]
;W[no]WL[1598.729]
;B[mp]BL[1730.385]
;W[pj]WL[1583.595]
;B[ol]BL[1714.033]
;W[nl]WL[1573.657]
;B[ok]BL[1708.506]
;W[qf]WL[1498.894]
;B[qk]BL[1684.63]
;W[qj]WL[1490.324]
;B[od]BL[1679.931]
;W[ro]WL[1423.932]
;B[nk]BL[1667.477]
;W[ml]WL[1417.979]
;B[qh]BL[1656.641]
;W[ph]WL[1395.882]
;B[qg]BL[1652.33]
;W[pg]WL[1370.305]
;B[rf]BL[1650.998]
;W[ni]WL[1285.572]
;B[mk]BL[1647.949]
;W[lk]WL[1277.783]
;B[mi]BL[1625.754]
;W[lj]WL[1248.018]
;B[oi]BL[1621.476]
;W[oj]WL[1235.028]C[ha [-\]: R10 and S5 are dubious moves
]
;B[nh]BL[1611.222]
;W[nj]WL[1230.915]
;B[mj]BL[1610.083]
;W[mh]WL[1200.174]C[OohAah [7d\]: q7 weird
OohAah [7d\]: never seen it
]
;B[li]BL[1574.101]C[ha [-\]: you mean never see it in this fuseki ? in a joseki it's possible
internets [-\]: just searched it seems no ones played it in this fuseki
OohAah [7d\]: did anyone play it ever?
]
;W[ng]WL[1104.315]
;B[ll]BL[1571.58]C[internets [-\]: locally loads of games have it
]
;W[kl]WL[1061.258]
;B[lm]BL[1568.405]
;W[mn]WL[1058.955]
;B[ln]BL[1564.843]
;W[qr]WL[1050.651]
;B[qq]BL[1548.832]C[ha [-\]: the meaning is just to revert to r5 r7 q7 
ha [-\]: joseki
ha [-\]: in this fuseki seems to help black in the wrong direction
ha [-\]: b is reinforced towards the top
]
;W[rq]WL[1000.799]
;B[pr]BL[1546.319]
;W[rr]WL[985.978]
;B[jk]BL[1540.124]C[ha [-\]: mini chinese woks well ^^, and danigabi likes this fuseki
]
;W[gq]WL[935.726]C[internets [-\]: he always play the l17 mini or mix of l17 m17?
ha [-\]: if i remember well, always L17
]
;B[ck]BL[1504.431]C[OohAah [7d\]: hehe you remmember these stuff?
OohAah [7d\]: do you know what i open usually? =)
ha [-\]: it depends on players
internets [-\]: I get some dice and .. and ROLL
ha [-\]: i didn't study you a lot Oohaah ^^
]
;W[co]WL[868.303]
;B[ch]BL[1495.71]
;W[db]WL[860.28]
;B[fe]BL[1487.026]C[ha [-\]: and it's not a characteristic of your play
ha [-\]: danigabi emphasizes more the direction of play and so, i guess fuseki is important phase for him
]
;W[pc]WL[825.485]
;B[qc]BL[1471.996]C[ha [-\]: yraukr always plays kobayshi ^^
]
;W[hc]WL[793.908]C[ha [-\]: arlequ1 always san ren sei, etc...
]
;B[ec]BL[1468.371]
;W[dc]WL[789.865]C[ha [-\]: there are players you can easily guess their fuseki ^^
OohAah [7d\]: what about artem? =)
]
;B[hf]BL[1440.643]C[ha [-\]: it depends on his opponent
ha [-\]: if his opponent is territorial he will play komoku + shimari
ha [-\]: else hoshi + shimari
ha [-\]: between he can insert an approach or not
]
;W[dj]WL[723.467]
;B[cj]BL[1436.085]
;W[md]WL[673.902]
;B[mc]BL[1411.714]C[internets [-\]: Who is ha anyway apart from being "fr"
]
;W[pd]WL[509.425]
;B[pe]BL[1400.497]
;W[oc]WL[457.572]
;B[nd]BL[1357.774]C[ha [-\]: ^^
ha [-\]: it's interesting, OohAah plays almost always ni rensei with white and plays always komokus with black :)
ha [-\]: after D3, E3 white ?
]
;W[oe]WL[387.689]C[OohAah [7d\]: ni rensei? whats that
ha [-\]: double hoshi
OohAah [7d\]: actually its like this
OohAah [7d\]: i NEVER play two hoshis as black
]
;B[qe]BL[1320.303]C[ha [-\]: lol
]
;W[nc]WL[371.717]C[OohAah [7d\]: i ALWAYS play two hoshis with white, UNLESS, black has played two hoshis, in which case its a hoshi and 3-4
]
;B[ne]BL[1317.472]C[internets [-\]: where is the 6-4 love?
OohAah [7d\]: with white almost the same all the time but with black i mix up with chinese mini chinese and random crap =X
ha [-\]: good information OohAah and strange the choice between black or white
ha [-\]: i see
]
;W[me]WL[292.717]
;B[of]BL[1314.068]
;W[nf]WL[290.671]
;B[oe]BL[1313.025]C[ha [-\]: internets, in league A at least, no original player
]
;W[lc]WL[288.776]
;B[mb]BL[1310.97]
;W[lb]WL[287.591]
;B[nb]BL[1309.014]
;W[kd]WL[285.77]C[ha [-\]: almost only komoku or hoshi
]
;B[jd]BL[1301.474]C[ha [-\]: only teamrocket plays 5 3 sometimes
Syptryn [2d\]: too bad, I always like non-stand fusekis
internets [-\]: actually i quickly got bored of 5 3 6-4 etc with the number of ladders than wont work with them :D
Syptryn [2d\]: go 6-3 then :D
ha [-\]: looool
]
;W[jc]WL[186.793]
;B[ic]BL[1298.384]
;W[kb]WL[184.384]C[internets [-\]: Just mirror go until they rage and leave >:)
Syptryn [2d\]: 6-3 works wonders in offline fast game tournaments, 
Syptryn [2d\]: when they can't use kogo
internets [-\]: kogo?
Syptryn [2d\]: joseki database
internets [-\]: oo link?
ha [-\]: lol
]
;B[id]BL[1228.128]C[internets [-\]: actually pass dont gimmie
]
;W[ib]WL[180.591]
;B[hd]BL[1226.682]C[internets [-\]: might be tempting
Syptryn [2d\]: haha
ha [-\]: there is a discussion about this in gosensations ^^
]
;W[gc]WL[172.065]C[OohAah [7d\]: about what
Syptryn [2d\]: na, that was fuseki database :D
]
;B[de]BL[1214.045]C[Syptryn [2d\]: this is just joseki
ha [-\]: regarding those who use database for fuseki or joseki or not
]
;W[ee]WL[153.686]
;B[ef]BL[1208.105]
;W[ed]WL[151.73]C[ha [-\]: that the same kind of things
]
;B[df]BL[1190.948]C[Syptryn [2d\]: fuseki database is based on actual games between pros
]
;W[fd]WL[126.287]C[Syptryn [2d\]: so no trick plays
]
;B[ce]BL[1189.022]
;W[ge]WL[120.116]
;B[ff]BL[1187.132]C[ha [-\]: top became all white :D
Syptryn [2d\]: if you play a complicted joseki and trick play, then the guy copying tend to die
Syptryn [2d\]: .... white did pretty good there
OohAah [7d\]: c15 big
OohAah [7d\]: bigger than f16 
ha [-\]: i agree : in the spirit, it's like mirror go, when the mirror is broken, you don't know how to use your copying moves ^^
]
;W[jq]WL[50.554]
;B[go]BL[1183.112]C[Syptryn [2d\]: mirror go should be really good in fast game tournies no?
Syptryn [2d\]: you don't spend any time thinking at start
Syptryn [2d\]: and save time for fighting later :)
]
;W[dl]WL[22.75]
;B[fq]BL[1176.474]C[ha [-\]: it's hard to fight from an unknown position ^^
Syptryn [2d\]: well, we're assuming ur understyand the moves ur copying :)
Syptryn [2d\]: and know when to break copying when the opponent does something stupid
ha [-\]: you have to understand all in this case
]
;W[gp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fp]BL[1173.983]
;W[fo]WL[30]OW[5]C[ha [-\]: it's rather difficult to understand all the styles
]
;B[gr]BL[1164.002]C[adoreme [-\]: ha your solution didnt work for me :(
]
;W[fr]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[er]BL[1162.339]
;W[fs]WL[30]OW[5]C[ha [-\]: lol
ha [-\]: it worked for me ^^
Syptryn [2d\]: eh
Syptryn [2d\]: this looks like overplay for white...
adoreme [-\]: i cant play if i lagg out every 5 min ^^
ha [-\]: so perhaps it's not client problem and just your connection ?
adoreme [-\]: it was fine before
ha [-\]: meanwhile : file -> statistics in kgs menu to see your latence time 
adoreme [-\]: but the update before that lagged to
adoreme [-\]: then new update lagg gone
adoreme [-\]: newest update lagg there
ha [-\]: the update made me unable to launch kgs client at all
]
;B[dq]BL[1046.826]C[OohAah [7d\]: d3 mistake..
OohAah [7d\]: should e5 f6 h2 
ha [-\]: the uninstall all/reinstall all fixed the problems
]
;W[hr]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[cq]BL[1039.603]C[adoreme [-\]: hm i'll try to fix more tomorrow :)
ha [-\]: internets, you didn't ask for kgs + rights ?
]
;W[bp]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[bq]BL[1032.129]C[Syptryn [2d\]: black lives!
]
;W[cl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ho]BL[1021.497]C[Syptryn [2d\]: eh, no e-3 exchnage?
adoreme [-\]: i was wondering
adoreme [-\]: white miss
]
(;W[ip]WL[30]OW[4]C[internets [-\]: I have kgs+ "ha"
internets [-\]: just not on this account
ha [-\]: ok
TeamRocket [3d\]: yes
OohAah [7d\]: then the corner would be ko
]
(;B[dk]BL[981.366]C[adoreme [-\]: insei league now is league "kgs+ premium"
OohAah [7d\]: really?
Syptryn [2d\]: did they mention Insei League lectures will be acrhvies like KGS+ lectures?
]
;W[mr]WL[30]OW[4]C[Syptryn [2d\]: archived
]
;B[nr]BL[976.148]
;W[mq]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[nq]BL[974.848]C[Syptryn [2d\]: e-5 alrdy?
adoreme [-\]: alex said most lectures will be recorded for kgs+ but kgs itself did not announce that
]
;W[lo]WL[30]OW[4]C[ha [-\]: is someone saved the audio live review of An for my game against danigabi ?
]
;B[mo]BL[963.296]
;W[mm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[nn]BL[961.778]
;W[nm]WL[30]OW[4]C[ha [-\]: seems it's saved only with the help of KGSPlus account
]
;B[lp]BL[926.89]
;W[ko]WL[30]OW[4]C[adoreme [-\]: hajin's lectures have been saved except her last one
ha [-\]: ah really
Syptryn [2d\]: eh, how do we access them?
adoreme [-\]: kgs+ menu
OohAah [7d\]: on archives in website no?
adoreme [-\]: but you need to have had kgs+ by the time the lecture was given
adoreme [-\]: no ooh
adoreme [-\]: you go to chat window
adoreme [-\]: and there is kgs+ on the top
Syptryn [2d\]: really, they many acrhvies insei league lectures now too?
]
;B[kr]BL[832.969]C[Syptryn [2d\]: cool
adoreme [-\]: then there is recent and saved lectures
Syptryn [2d\]: they many = that menu
ha [-\]: i have only from tsurukame last lesson
]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[el]BL[810.488]C[internets [-\]: I have a years worth of trash + some league lectures before i joined ;x
]
;W[fn]WL[30]OW[4]C[Syptryn [2d\]: I can't see any league lectures :(
Syptryn [2d\]: just standrad KGS+ lectures
]
;B[kk]BL[800.293]C[OohAah [7d\]: you can syp
OohAah [7d\]: on website
OohAah [7d\]: go to archive
Syptryn [2d\]: ah
]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[4]C[OohAah [7d\]: on bottom there are some lectures
]
;B[ji]BL[797.704]C[ha [-\]: on website only 2 of lee Hajin are archived
adoreme [-\]: recent ones
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[4]C[adoreme [-\]: there is two more back in the saved lectures for february
]
;B[em]BL[787.929]C[Syptryn [2d\]: huh
]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[4]C[Syptryn [2d\]: f-6 looks like horrible move
]
;B[gm]BL[780.453]C[Syptryn [2d\]: given that E=5 is almost sente
ha [-\]: ah i see
]
;W[fm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fl]BL[778.062]C[ha [-\]: it's not well classified ^^
OohAah [7d\]: the one thing that reallllllly bugs me
]
;W[ep]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eq]BL[773.776]C[OohAah [7d\]: is that on the main page
OohAah [7d\]: its says "advise you on the carrier of go pro" instead of career ~_~
]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[3]C[adoreme [-\]: tell alex and he'll fix it
]
;B[bn]BL[742.588]C[Syptryn [2d\]: e-4 just looks like bad shape to me :S
OohAah [7d\]: it is
adoreme [-\]: i guess white tricked himself
Syptryn [2d\]: white in troubel
]
;W[dn]WL[30]OW[2]C[Syptryn [2d\]: shoudla played e-5 a long time ago...
adoreme [-\]: rubel
ha [-\]: c6 ?
ha [-\]: oh
Syptryn [2d\]: c-4
adoreme [-\]: e6!
Syptryn [2d\]: seems annoting alrdy
]
;B[dm]BL[710.866]C[Syptryn [2d\]: annoying
]
;W[cn]WL[30]OW[2]C[adoreme [-\]: ouch
]
;B[bo]BL[674.425]
(;W[cm]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[en]BL[663.714]C[Syptryn [2d\]: e6 e5 c4 
OohAah [7d\]: why c7
OohAah [7d\]: such a big a mistake =\\
]
;W[eo]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[cp]BL[662.067]C[Syptryn [2d\]: whites  was going okay LS
Syptryn [2d\]: :S
Syptryn [2d\]: shape here was just shocking
]
;W[gn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[hm]BL[660.742]
;W[hn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[im]BL[659.104]C[OohAah [7d\]: if c7 at c4 white reulst here could even be a succes
adoreme [-\]: that once was white's sphere of influence
]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[il]BL[652.731]C[Syptryn [2d\]: black middle too solid now :S
]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ij]BL[641.083]C[Syptryn [2d\]: mmmm
]
;W[kq]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lq]BL[637.622]
;W[bd]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[be]BL[630.594]C[Syptryn [2d\]: J-9 destroyed B 11 :S
]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ig]BL[621.212]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[jf]BL[616.124]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[je]BL[614.268]
;W[gd]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[hg]BL[602.809]
;W[km]WL[30]OW[2]C[Syptryn [2d\]: l7 
Syptryn [2d\]: hey, he beat me to it
]
;B[ki]BL[586.967]
;W[kf]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[jg]BL[578.687]
;W[ai]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bi]BL[574.89]
;W[jr]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lr]BL[572.55]C[Syptryn [2d\]: a-9
]
;W[cd]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ad]BL[570.762]
;W[ac]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ae]BL[570.057]
;W[ak]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[ah]BL[568.3]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[qi]BL[555.962]C[TeamRocket [3d\]: thank you
danigabi [5d\]: thanks
])
(;W[cp]C[danigabi [5d\]: yeah
]))
(;B[mo]C[danigabi [5d\]: this was expensive
OohAah [7d\]: j4 should take
]))
(;W[gs]C[TeamRocket [3d\]: ah yes
danigabi [5d\]: mm
danigabi [5d\]: no
]
;B[eo]
;W[fn]
;B[cp]C[TeamRocket [3d\]: taking is better anyways, missed that
danigabi [5d\]: whats this
OohAah [7d\]: given white exchanged e5 before =X
OohAah [7d\]: which he should..
])
(;W[eo]C[TeamRocket [3d\]: I didn't think about taking...
]
(;B[gs])
(;B[eq]C[TeamRocket [3d\]: I wasn't sure about that in game
]
;W[gs]C[danigabi [5d\]: this is not ko
danigabi [5d\]: b dies if tenuki
]
;B[]
;W[es]
;B[ds]
;W[cr]
;B[br]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[bs]C[TeamRocket [3d\]: yup
])))
