(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[danigabi]PB[breakfast]WR[5d]BR[3p]DT[2010-05-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[danigabi [5d\]: good luck
breakfast [3p\]: Have a nice game!
danigabi [5d\]: 3 Ws for me so far
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: mouarf
shinji140 [3d\]: il en aura besoin du luck
breakfast [3p\]: :)
Valdano [4d\]: breakfast en carton
danigabi [5d\]: W = white :)
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[883.452]C[oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: c un noob
]
;W[dd]WL[888.595]C[shinji140 [3d\]: mdr elle le prend pour un cassos
Valdano [4d\]: tom hanks il pue
Tony84 [5k\]: casse toi de là si tu fais que l'insulter...
]
;B[pq]BL[877.937]
;W[dp]WL[885.839]C[Valdano [4d\]: tony revise le double atari a ton niveau boy
shinji140 [3d\]: meskin
Onmyoji [2d?\]: i count w+13.5
]
;B[oc]BL[862.357]C[oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: lerse le tony mais taios toi
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: tais*
Tony84 [5k\]: apprends à respecter les autres 
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
]
;W[po]WL[873.989]C[Valdano [4d\]: je respecte pas les 5k
Tony84 [5k\]: ya que le go dans la vie? lol
Valdano [4d\]: ba va t'en
]
;B[qo]BL[844.574]
;W[qn]WL[871.88]
;B[qp]BL[842.578]
;W[rd]WL[870.817]
;B[re]BL[839.401]
;W[qe]WL[869.63]C[Tony84 [5k\]: bah j'essaie d'apprendre sans faire que critiquer..
hade [1k\]: english or PM chat please
]
;B[rf]BL[835.028]C[Valdano [4d\]: tu fais la victime toi aussi
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: xD
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
Valdano [4d\]: hade your race please
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: grave
RobSchley [9k\]: this is going to be messy
raptor [4d\]: there is no rule that says you have to speak english that i know of
GuiGui77:  
Valdano [4d\]: lionel messi sisi
Tony84 [5k\]: tu fais le chaud Valdano..
go1d [4d\]: i like potatoes
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
Valdano [4d\]: oh non un 5k
raptor [4d\]: your own fault for not knowing the spoken language :)
shinji140 [3d\]: fais attention valdano il va te detuire le petit
Pliniofilo [3d\]: NOOOB
hade [1k\]: this is the EGR
Welvang [4d\]: noob ?
shinji140 [3d\]: tony du 84 la racaille
breakfast [3p\]: insei-league.com, our second game
GuiGui77: tu crois qu'il respect quelqu'un breakfast ou quoi ? mdr
Welvang [4d\]: non merci
go1d [4d\]: mmh maybe black is noob , but not as white
]
(;W[pd]WL[804.031]C[GuiGui77: c'est une pompe a fric qui est pas foutu de donner un conseil gratis 
]
;B[qc]BL[832.372]
(;W[pc]WL[802.864]
;B[qb]BL[829.94]C[Sandmann [-\]: est-ce que vous allez au tournois de strasbourg?
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
go1d [4d\]: guigui 
AukaD [1d\]: what is 3p?
Wohoo [2k\]: huh
go1d [4d\]: la vérité sort de ta bouchre
Welvang [4d\]: 3 dan noob
Mychal666 [14k\]: 3 pro
shinji140 [3d\]: 3p= bénévole
Wohoo [2k\]: never seen this opening before
Hamburglar [1d\]: 3 dan proffesional
Valdano [4d\]: mdr
Wohoo [2k\]: you all troll
Welvang [4d\]: we all say the truth
Welvang [4d\]: :p
Faplo [4k\]: why is this game happening?
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
Pliniofilo [3d\]: we are all kids
shinji140 [3d\]: tous les francais le vanne
shinji140 [3d\]: c bien
Tony84 [5k\]: so what? 
Mychal666 [14k\]: for fun?
Valdano [4d\]: javoue breakfast il a pas d'honneur
Pliniofilo [3d\]: :)
elementc [5k?\]: I always thought the stereotype of French people as being arrogant and whatnot was just a load of bunk.
Sandmann [-\]: lol pliniofilo
elementc [5k?\]: I guess not for you guys.
go1d [4d\]: c un tokar
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: xD
go1d [4d\]: noir est + un tokar que blanc
Pliniofilo [3d\]: ben en meme temps c'est un tok
GuiGui77: clair
Faplo [4k\]: do you think that breakfast has so much time to play random dans for fun?
Welvang [4d\]: j'avoue
Pliniofilo [3d\]: + tokar mais pas aussi noob
Pliniofilo [3d\]: quoique..
go1d [4d\]: yes faplo
daninoob: hi
hade [1k\]: How rude is it to speak french in a game being played in the English Game Room seriously -_-
Welvang [4d\]: mais danigabi il donne des cours gratos
Welvang [4d\]: xD
Ignatius [2k\]: he play random danies
go1d [4d\]: there are many pro who does it
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: a la limite blanc elle est pas mal fisiquement mais lui il vau rien
l9xl9 [3k?\]: the french are not arrogant, meerly right >.>
Valdano [4d\]: breakfast has the time because it seems he doesn't train so much
Faplo [4k\]: interesting opinion
go1d [4d\]: blanc c pas la meuf
go1d [4d\]: white is not the girl
Tony84 [5k\]: french guys are fools...
elementc [5k?\]: Not just speaking French, but being jerks too.
Pliniofilo [3d\]: l9xl9
Pliniofilo [3d\]: ..
Mychal666 [14k\]: :D
shinji140 [3d\]: c noir la meuf
l9xl9 [3k?\]: huhu
Valdano [4d\]: mdr
Pliniofilo [3d\]: ...
minimelcer [4d\]: la meuf est comme le pro fake
Pliniofilo [3d\]: apprends à lire shinji
ben0 [5d\]: french guys are so strong...
GuiGui77: arrogant ? le mec qui t'envoie chier parce que tu demndes un conseil c'est pas les francais mec
]
;W[pb]WL[677.686]C[Hideo [10k\]: Tain go1d tu gaches le mythe....
]
;B[md]BL[812.462]C[Valdano [4d\]: et ben fan il te kiffe
Welvang [4d\]: danigabi is my hero
Pliniofilo [3d\]: en même temps qui en voudrait ??
Faplo [4k\]: what is the purpose of s16?
Pliniofilo [3d\]: t'as vu ça gueule ?..
Tony84 [5k\]: ya qqln qui a pris une leçon avec breakfast et n'a reçu aucun conseil c'est ça le deal?
elementc [5k?\]: A probe Faplo
terratoro: you like s16 direct here?
shinji140 [3d\]: tony tu ve devenir fort ???
Pliniofilo [3d\]: a idiot move faplo
GuiGui77: Tony tes trop jeune on dirais
Tony84 [5k\]: je joue pour le fun
shinji140 [3d\]: ah ok
Faplo [4k\]: idiot move?
Welvang [4d\]: danigabi is danigabi you know ?
breakfast [3p\]: I read, it's bad for W
breakfast [3p\]: in Korean magazines
Uberdude [3d?\]: cho seok bin likes this for black
]
;W[qa]WL[619.777]C[shinji140 [3d\]: ba ferme la
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: tony pmope le tu verra se noob te donnera meme pas une pedago
Tony84 [5k\]: ?
Pliniofilo [3d\]: toute personne regardant ces joueurs jouer voit son niveau baisser d'un demi niveau !! take care !!
Shinichi56 [-\]: vous sentez la rose
elementc [5k?\]: I'd think these guys were just trolls but there's so many of them. It's not normal!
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
Tony84 [5k\]: je veux juste comprendre pk vous haissez breakfast
l9xl9 [3k?\]: toc toc badaboum...
go1d [4d\]: paske c un gro tokar
shinji140 [3d\]: long a expliké
Pliniofilo [3d\]: ben c'est un fake
Valdano [4d\]: breakfast il a besoin de temps tjr plus
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: il est nul
Tony84 [5k\]: super l'explication lol
GuiGui77: parle lui en vrai tu vas vite comprendre lol
shinji140 [3d\]: c comme si tété 9d la
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: lol
go1d [4d\]: le mec tout ce qui sort de sa bouche est payant
Valdano [4d\]: pro en carton si il aurait etudier il aurait repondu ce sos
Pliniofilo [3d\]: il a leché fort pour ses dans et il se la pete
Faplo [4k\]: isnt it in the rules to use english?
Shinichi56 [-\]: faut jouer s17 et il le joue pas
danigabi [5d\]: i see
subaru67 [4k?\]: ^^
breakfast [3p\]: R19 - too early
danigabi [5d\]: r19 ajikeshi i guess, i was expecting to lose r15 in the fight
breakfast [3p\]: yes, I saw it played by Bin
Nightfawk [2k\]: lee sedol would have  tenukied alread twice ^^
breakfast [3p\]: yes
]
;B[rc]BL[732.322]C[shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
]
;W[rb]WL[618.307]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: voila pk on laime pas
]
;B[sd]BL[729.863]C[Tony84 [5k\]: ok je capte je capte
go1d [4d\]: il a bien léché des gens pour devenir pro
]
(;W[of]WL[614.068]C[l9xl9 [3k?\]: no, faplo
go1d [4d\]: il a pas passé l'examen pro
Valdano [4d\]: mdr
GuiGui77: mdr
elementc [5k?\]: Yes, it is in the EGR.
gooooo [4k?\]: whats this?
gooooo [4k?\]: a special game?
sweetleaf [1k\]: It looks like b got tricked here
Valdano [4d\]: il a sucer lee sedol il parait
terratoro: i like w o6 now
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: game noob
Shinichi56 [-\]: k17 
go1d [4d\]: c vrai valdano ?
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: fake game gooooo
Tony84 [5k\]: ça a beau etre un tocard, il sait un peu jouer nan?
]
;B[ic]BL[696.502]C[Valdano [4d\]: g la video sur youtube
shinji140 [3d\]: mdr
]
(;W[gc]WL[607.801]C[oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: mdrrr
go1d [4d\]: montre valdano
shinji140 [3d\]: mdrrrrrrrrrrr
ben0 [5d\]: bah il a déjà gagné contre go1d de 0.5 pt, c'est pas négligeable
]
;B[od]BL[675.753]C[l9xl9 [3k?\]: lol
breakfast [3p\]: P16 - painful
breakfast [3p\]: I guess, I am leading now
danigabi [5d\]: yes
]
;W[qf]WL[602.882]C[go1d [4d\]: x)
Valdano [4d\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDw2V3gkJnA
Tony84 [5k\]: ok 
Godfather [1k\]: r13 lokks like must
zazie [5d\]: on se calme par ici
Wohoo [2k\]: r7
Welvang [-\]: zazie :D
shinji140 [3d\]: on fait comme fan on décrit les joueurs avant de commenté
l9xl9 [3k?\]: zut, un français serieux a fait son apparition
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: mdrr
Valdano [4d\]: venez on creer une team on pete les russes
ptpt [5d\]: can b play anything else than r13 now?
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: XD
Wohoo [2k\]: r13 first
Shinichi56 [-\]: ya pas russes
PartyCrshr [3d\]: r13 is a good move
zazie [5d\]: en fait, je suis sérieux : on arrête les propos insultants maintenant. le prochain sort.
Wohoo [2k\]: hm stop
leping [18k\]: blanc c pa la femme?
Valdano [4d\]: tjr plus shinichi
Godfather [1k\]: but r13 looks the only
Valdano [4d\]: t mite toi
Wohoo [2k\]: maybe p18 p15 r12
Godfather [1k\]: or p15 
Valdano [4d\]: ben42 on joue ?
wikipwnia [5k\]: is p16 a weak group?
terratoro: p18 aji keshi
]
;B[mf]BL[507.297]
;W[qg]WL[597.549]C[ale9 [7k\]: hi    gg
ptpt [5d\]: strange, why not b r13 first
Valdano [4d\]: breakfast faut kil revise ces formes c abuser la
wikipwnia [5k\]: can b tenuki?
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: lol
Godfather [1k\]: very strange
]
;B[rg]BL[473.741]C[terratoro: n14 so nice shape
Shinichi56 [-\]: he is afraid of l17 so now k16 in response is workin'
Valdano [4d\]: il m'ecoeure ce joueur
Valdano [4d\]: il vanne le go a toute pompe
]
;W[qi]WL[556.568]C[oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: mdrr
Valdano [4d\]: genre il fe le emc ki connait le go
Valdano [4d\]: apres ils e fait detruire par les pros
Valdano [4d\]: c un enfant
terratoro: q6
Onmyoji [2d?\]: only english allowed 
Valdano [4d\]: tjr plus
Valdano [4d\]: french is above english boy
Shinichi56 [-\]: valdano tu vas te faire gerter
Onmyoji [2d?\]: this is an american server
]
;B[pn]BL[435.946]C[jiveturkey [?\]: in kibitz, any language is allowed
zazie [5d\]: no, Onmyoji, every language is welcome on KTGS
zazie [5d\]: KGS*
wotan123 [2d\]: south or north?
Valdano [4d\]: ahahhaha
jiveturkey [?\]: y ou're wrong,  onmyoji
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: xD
faucheur [-\]: only english allowed....
Jep [5k?\]: english is way above french
Valdano [4d\]: bien zazinedine zidane
jiveturkey [?\]: nope wrong
elementc [5k?\]: but int the English Game Room the rules are different
jiveturkey [?\]: that's only in egr
ccsco [3k\]: you have to actually drape yourself in an American flag, too.  And sing.
RobSchley [9k\]: oh gosh
elementc [5k?\]: and this is in the EGR
Godfather [1k\]: allowed by whom?
faucheur [-\]: that's really sympathic for french people...
Faplo [4k\]: how can any language be above another language
ptpt [5d\]: in kibitz englist is the best, how would you like if i wrote in czcech here? :)
Faplo [4k\]: :D
shinji140 [3d\]: During my Go lessons I will not show you how to make the ideal shapes or get pleasure from your moves.I will teach you how to win your games!
Godfather [1k\]: wtf are you talking about?
ccsco [3k\]: why is this game Free, btw?
shinji140 [3d\]: mdrrrrrrrrrr
]
;W[qm]WL[507.795]C[terratoro: tenuki
shinji140 [3d\]: le mec il gagne jamais
xzenith42 [7k\]: insei league
]
;B[on]BL[426.838]C[ccsco [3k\]: oh I see
seikenguy [-\]: Ok, so you're fine with everyon spamming in their own language?
danigabi [5d\]: felt too submissive
]
(;W[jq]WL[503.49]C[seikenguy [-\]: lol
Shinichi56 [-\]: english ppl dont really know japanese phrase then...
zazie [5d\]: Valdano est parti, shinjI140. Est-ce que tu veux vraiment suivre son chemin ?
elementc [5k?\]: わかりません
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: xD
]
;B[qk]BL[403.783]C[OTBET [6k?\]:  i want Diner vs roln...
cyc [?\]: sappari wakari masen
terratoro: r9 pro-move^^
kitten85 [6k?\]: just because it's called english game room doesnt mean u have to speak in english, unless that is clearly stated in the rules or there is a reasonable inference 
zazie [5d\]: We're not fine with people spamming, in every language, selkenguy. But every language is allowed.
elementc [5k?\]: Haha, hello cyc
kitten85 [6k?\]: agree
jiveturkey [?\]: it's clearly stated by the admins, kitten
jiveturkey [?\]: nope
zazie [5d\]: Now please focus on the game / SVP, concentrez-vous sur la partie, maintenant.
jiveturkey [?\]: ask one
kitten85 [6k?\]: admins dont make the rules
terratoro: thx zazie
jiveturkey [?\]: just try it
kitten85 [6k?\]: haha
shinji140 [3d\]: genre on autorise les mec ki font payé 20euro les consigne de merde et on vire les mecs qui utilise leur liberté dexpréssion ?
kitten85 [6k?\]: thanks
wikipwnia [5k\]: so, how does white respond to this?
wikipwnia [5k\]: s9?
seikenguy [-\]: Thing is to people who do not understand, it looks like spam, nothing more =) Not that i'm hatin or anything
Godfather [1k\]: is r13 still weak?
atarihuana [1d\]: seems w played big before urgent
seikenguy [-\]: Just speakin my mind
terratoro: r9 sooo great^^
Shinichi56 [-\]: o12 maybe ;)
ccsco [3k\]: that's a really dumb thing to say :D
zizu [-\]: deciding attack
Jep [5k?\]: q8?
]
;W[nh]WL[422.469]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: oh o12 ;)
ptpt [5d\]: ouch
terratoro: d10 huge
ccsco [3k\]: the top right is so strange
ptpt [5d\]: just p10 now
Dennett [6d\]: anyone know what is "hazama tobi "?
Sandmann [-\]: yes
ARPAnet [5k?\]: the top right is what programs like pachi love to play
Godfather [1k\]: p10 - q9, no?
terratoro: d10!
Sandmann [-\]: i dont understand  why b didnt play r13...
elementc [5k?\]: one space diagional jump?
]
;B[pl]BL[327.119]C[atarihuana [1d\]: q8 seems safer,  and gives better chances for later attacik?
atarihuana [1d\]: :P
Shinichi56 [-\]: c6 is huge
Godfather [1k\]: solid is better
Dennett [6d\]: yes...
breakfast [3p\]: B is ahead now
]
;W[lh]WL[388.945]C[Dennett [6d\]: what is "sabaki "?
Godfather [1k\]: W n3 - greedy or ok?
Dennett [6d\]: I don't believe anyone know..
terratoro: looks good
Shinichi56 [-\]: sabaki is making a good shape quiclky
]
;B[ob]BL[296.358]C[atarihuana [1d\]: c6 looks bigger than approaaching strong group low
Shinichi56 [-\]: aint it?
]
(;W[oe]WL[372.192]C[Godfather [1k\]: explain to 6d what is sabaki =)
Dennett [6d\]: what is that
Dennett [6d\]: making a good shape quickly?
AroundOneD [2d\]: for b
]
;B[cn]BL[278.847]C[Dennett [6d\]: interesting
Shinichi56 [-\]: it is sabaki
jSd [5k\]: c est quoi un clamping ?
compendium [?\]: in under 3 minutes
Godfather [1k\]: I see no sabaki in this game yet
]
;W[fp]WL[355.815]C[compendium [?\]: if it takes longer than that, its not sabaki
apaxuc [3k\]: Динер землю любит
ccsco [3k\]: tobi is jump; hazama .. just means 'between' (jumping between.. so a splitting jump, maybe?)
]
;B[bp]BL[257.478]C[Archy [2k?\]: известный факт
Godfather [1k\]: Динер влезет ему в глотку еще)
terratoro: there is no book about sabaki, and that must have a reason^^
]
;W[cq]WL[344.271]
;B[ck]BL[254.575]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Sabaki
breakfast [3p\]: now it's easy for B
breakfast [3p\]: I was satisfied
breakfast [3p\]: any Q later?
AroundOneD [2d\]: y
danigabi [5d\]: mm one sec
danigabi [5d\]: D18 normal answer to E18?
]
;W[ce]WL[338.556]C[elementc [5k?\]: Hmm, I'd swear there is though
compendium [?\]: m3
Dennett [6d\]: yes, I want a definition of "sabaki "
apaxuc [3k\]: зачем влезать если можно мирно оттяпать
]
;B[lq]BL[230.546]C[Godfather [1k\]: B l13 bad?
compendium [?\]: c11
]
;W[ci]WL[327.864]C[terratoro: "light play.. willing to sacrifice"
Taro [-\]: there is a sabaki book by yoda norimoto
hugogogo [2k\]: i could never understand s16 
Raf [3k\]: Vital Points and Skillful Finesse for Sabaki
hugogogo [2k\]: in this position
Raf [3k\]: by Y. Norimoto
compendium [?\]: g4
OTBET [6k?\]: динер тупо съест что нето как в прошлой партии
Shinichi56 [-\]: "creating something out of nothing" 
terratoro: hehe^^
Dennett [6d\]: ,,
OTBET [6k?\]: напримеp р14 
Dennett [6d\]: creating something out of nothing??
Dennett [6d\]: =.=
hugogogo [2k\]: i think only people who like to study strange begining would play s16  right?
Shinichi56 [-\]: well learn english u_u'
Dennett [6d\]: so sabaki is being a god
]
;B[bq]BL[154.493]C[Godfather [1k\]: why?
Godfather [1k\]: s16 is yosu miru
Wilitus [11k\]: ja elämä on niin vaikeaa kun he yrittävät olla kuin minä mutta eivät onnistu siinä
zizu [-\]: http://eidogo.com/
Uberdude [3d?\]: w lost already
terratoro: actually a 9p tried s16
Uberdude [3d?\]: he played many dame
ChemBoy613 [-\]: agree, black's lead is too much
ChemBoy613 [-\]: white has almost no points
Uberdude [3d?\]: s16 is a good move
Godfather [1k\]: l5
FishOn [4k\]: seems w chances depend on size he gets out of upper left corner
Uberdude [3d?\]: practically joseki these days
ccsco [3k\]: clamp [lit. 'pincer,' 'serrer'\] (ou le gerondif clamping) veut dire qu'on attache aux deux cotes opposants d'une pierre (K4 et K2, par exemple)
Dennett [6d\]: what is the value of B3, anyone know?
Stevenson [-\]: b's p18 defence in sente was nice  
Uberdude [3d?\]: b3 is ~18 points
atarihuana [1d\]: if 3p plays it it looks like 30 points
Dennett [6d\]: good
ChemBoy613 [-\]: B3 is like 15 points doulbe sente
szmarton [4k\]: 16 points
terratoro: 15 points?? more?? @ denett
Onmyoji [2d?\]: i count w+5.5
Onmyoji [2d?\]: whats ur count?
Dennett [6d\]: 15-20 points
Uberdude [3d?\]: that's ignoring eyespace impliations
Godfather [1k\]: b3 is not a double sente, but double yose
atarihuana [1d\]: now the gap h3 got weaker
Dennett [6d\]: if after you have E3, then it is even bigger.
atarihuana [1d\]: id k5
Godfather [1k\]: W can tenuki
terratoro: hard to tenuki
Uberdude [3d?\]: c11 is not clearly larger than b3
hugogogo [2k\]: of course s16 is a good move if you studied all the variations and so on
Shinichi56 [-\]: k5 to tenuki?
Godfather [1k\]: l5 and then d7
hugogogo [2k\]: but who is interested to do that
atarihuana [1d\]: l5 leaves needless wekness
hugogogo [2k\]: it is not natural in my oppinion
Godfather [1k\]: d8*
Hamburglar [1d\]: An insei, and also the regular player wanting to get better
Uberdude [3d?\]: s16 is the move i often use in lessons about probes
terratoro: h15
ccsco [3k\]: you give lessons? :-)
Hamburglar [1d\]: s16 is a good probing move to check what the opponents strategy is
hugogogo [2k\]: but why probe in the fusseki?
atarihuana [1d\]: maybe  d6
terratoro: id k5
Uberdude [3d?\]: you seem to imply a false premise
Uberdude [3d?\]: why not probe in fuseki?
terratoro: h15 is huge too
alexf [1k\]: S16 is a standard yosu-miru (probe) move. It asks to see what the opponent will do and then you react accordingly
Uberdude [3d?\]: you use s16 to decide whether to play q6 or q7
elementc [5k?\]: well that's new to me
SaurusDNA [7k\]: Masaki Takemiya defines sabaki as: "Making a light, flexible shape which makes it difficult for the opponent to launch a severe attack." 
hugogogo [2k\]: i know what is s16, i only don't know why a 5d would study the fusseki variations corresponding
Excalibor [-\]: you set out the strategy during fuseki, thus probing during fuseki helps to discover your opponent's strategy so you can choose the best for you
Dennett [6d\]: good definition
Dennett [6d\]: that is exactly what sabaki is
terratoro: m4 maybe dennett?
Shinichi56 [-\]: thanks for making takemiya right dude
seikenguy [-\]: Dennett are you doing some kind of test here? cause it's not the time for that...
ccsco [3k\]: small question: why is it better (I think it is..) to just play w R7 directly, and not atari at Q6 first?
seikenguy [-\]: All the strange questions lol.
atarihuana [1d\]: skillfull  finesse is sabaki
atarihuana [1d\]: still what to do w
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;W[le]WL[30]OW[5]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: because after b extends you still need to connect
Dennett [6d\]: I like his universe style, Masaki Takemiya.
Dennett [6d\]: hehe
ccsco [3k\]: but you need to connect anyway.. is it because it makes b a bit more solid?
seikenguy [-\]: dude sente!!
Uberdude [3d?\]: q7 forces b to play the move he wants to play
ccsco [3k\]: I guess so : )
Uberdude [3d?\]: no you don't connect
elementc [5k?\]: Dude Sente, is that even better than normal sente?
]
;B[kc]BL[83.328]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: as you don't make a cut
seikenguy [-\]: Yes!
Uberdude [3d?\]: q7 p6 r7 b has sente
Uberdude [3d?\]: r7 p6 w has sente
elementc [5k?\]: :D
]
;W[jo]WL[30]OW[5]C[ccsco [3k\]: yup :-|
Excalibor [-\]: l17, interesting
terratoro: why?
Uberdude [3d?\]: L17 = i am winning
Uberdude [3d?\]: game over
Dennett [6d\]: I like Kobayahis Koichi
Excalibor [-\]: surely white was epecting b to connect at the peep and attack there himself
wikipwnia [5k\]: also, p16 very weak if it gets cut from j17?
maxp73 [-\]: M15 made b stronger
Excalibor [-\]: I like Kageyama :)
Uberdude [3d?\]: b aims at e18 now
]
;B[eb]BL[28.257]C[ccsco [3k\]: : )
RobSchley [9k\]: nice
Excalibor [-\]: cool
terratoro: next r9 move ^
]
(;W[db]WL[30]OW[5]C[Mychal666 [14k\]: o0
ccsco [3k\]: you need to play some more games, Uber
hugogogo [2k\]: the point of my argument is that you can get stronger faster by training your reading ability than by studying specific fusseki techniques
Uberdude [3d?\]: agreed hugogogo
Uberdude [3d?\]: but reading is hard
]
;B[ec]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dc]WL[30]OW[5]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: studying fuseki is interesting and easy
shakti [5d?\]: do both...
seikenguy [-\]: Reading is easier than fuseki to me.
Excalibor [-\]: now g17 feels lonely
wikipwnia [5k\]: false dichotomy!
terratoro: n4
Dennett [6d\]: for a 2k player, fuseki is totally useless..
Nightfawk [2k\]: what kind of game is this ???
Dennett [6d\]: honestly..
Sandmann [-\]: it's like learning vocab and grammar of a language
N4KED [1d\]: fuseki is mostly memorisation
ccsco [3k\]: it's not totally useless
Shinichi56 [-\]: really normal game :p
Sandmann [-\]: you need both
]
;B[ed]BL[30]OB[4]C[Excalibor [-\]: well, a bad fuseki can destroy your game from the beginning
]
(;W[ee]WL[30]OW[5]C[hugogogo [2k\]: i was 1d
Nightfawk [2k\]: oh really no tournament or something like that ok just fine
Dennett [6d\]: I can play from the center and still win
ccsco [3k\]: you're 6d.  You can dance while you play go and still win
MrZNF [2d\]: h18 can't be good xD
]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[4]C[Dennett [6d\]: fuseki is meaningless for kyu players
Uberdude [3d?\]: no it isn't
Sampi [1k\]: Its an insei legue game, Nightfawk
Excalibor [-\]: specially if you are a kyu player and your reading and tesuji-fu is not strong
terratoro: its not
jamal [1k\]: ?
Nightfawk [2k\]: you can play from the center and still loose ^^ too
hugogogo [2k\]: i don't think so
danigabi [5d\]: the fuseki was difficult
]
;W[fd]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[4]C[danigabi [5d\]: not good for me
breakfast [3p\]: yes, I agree
]
;W[de]WL[30]OW[5]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: ?
Dennett [6d\]: you want to be stronger, just practice L&D problems.
elementc [5k?\]: Okay, so how about I make my opening strategy just playing all the 1-1?
wikipwnia [5k\]: it gets interesting
hugogogo [2k\]: but if you play in a natural way should be enough
Zyfor [9k\]: g15 
Dennett [6d\]: fuseki is totally helpless.
]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[4]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: what is breakfast doing?
ccsco [3k\]: knowing what's a reasonable tenuki in the opening isn't useless.  Knowing the best points for a splitting play is rather useful
RobSchley [9k\]: in a game where you can lose in the first 20 moves, fuseki seems kind of useful... but... I'm 9K
xio [6k\]: or D&D problems :)
Shinichi56 [-\]: i cant understand f15 
terratoro: or M&M problems
Sandmann [7d\]: i am not good at reading
Nightfawk [2k\]: wanna get stronger learn from the best like gu li or lee sedol ^^
breakfast [3p\]: ok, see you again, I am always happy to play more
breakfast [3p\]: 2 more, if you like
breakfast [3p\]: \\but not today
danigabi [5d\]: lets see, i have to play roln 
danigabi [5d\]: and have to make sure i am still first :)
breakfast [3p\]: :)
breakfast [3p\]: good luck!
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Thanks breakfast!
]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[5]C[Sampi [1k\]: sacrifice?
Dennett [6d\]: You don't know fuseki, just play from center
Stevenson [-\]: it's hard to correct mistakes made in fuseki later in the game
xio [6k\]: f15 strike eagle
Hamburglar [1d\]: Uberdude has a point, but he is exagerating it quite a bit
Hamburglar [1d\]: I mean Dennett
atarihuana [1d\]: b has a plan ?
Uberdude [3d?\]: i'm pointy too!
ix7 [10k\]: G18?
]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[3]C[hugogogo [2k\]: how can you win games sandmann?
lanchow [5k\]: w top right not alive
Hamburglar [1d\]: True Uber
Sandmann [7d\]: Dennett is loyal to kgs style
blipped [3k\]: i think it's more that fuseki will only take you so far. to really progress in go you need to read
Sampi [1k\]: h17 
Dennett [6d\]: my point is, for kyu players, fuseki is much much helpless than L&D problems.
]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[5]C[Godfather [1k\]: b just called me and said that he has no plan and he is in panic, atarihuana, lets help him
Sandmann [7d\]: hehe...
terratoro: w is fighting nice
adaptation [4d\]: but it seems not easy to kill the dragon'
Dennett [6d\]: but most players don't know this
Uberdude [3d?\]: of course a 7d's definition of reading is perhaps not the same as a 30ks
Hamburglar [1d\]: You should stop being so pointy, it sometimes gets annoying ;)
Tony84 [5k\]: i believe the opening helps you a LOT so i guess fusekis are quite important even for kyus...
Sampi [1k\]: why not b g16?
Hamburglar [1d\]: I have to say I agree with Dennett though
Uberdude [3d?\]: a 7d knows shapes which a 20k can't read
Dennett [6d\]: if your reading ability is bad, fuseki is nothing.
Shinichi56 [-\]: g16 damezumari
ccsco [3k\]: it's not an either/or choice
meuns [3d?\]: +1
littlebell [2k\]: dani's funeral day
terratoro: even a 20kyu can make a shape ^^
]
;B[id]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sandmann [7d\]: as i said, it's like vocabulary and grammar of a laanguage...you can get by by knowing a lot of vocab but ..
seikenguy [-\]: Until you're 7d your reading abiity is bad by default anyways.
xio [6k\]: if you're good at fuseki, you may never come to reading :)
ix7 [10k\]: doesn't g16 just kill the three stones?
Excalibor [-\]: maybe we can progress on all fronts a bit at a time :-)
Godfather [1k\]: reading skills is best for kyus imo
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Not true xio.
ix7 [10k\]: my goodness
]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[5]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: however most kyu player me inclusive never get a whole board overview and are playing mostly just locally
ix7 [10k\]: oh!?
ix7 [10k\]: ok, thx
Zyfor [9k\]: h15 
Kunhikki [5d?\]: this is confusing
]
;B[je]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[5]C[terratoro: you  do nightfawk? so stop it
Dennett [6d\]: practice L&D problems for a year, you will improve 100 elo maybe
]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[2]C[elementc [5k?\]: I know nothing about probes and strategy :(
Godfather [1k\]: elo?
ccsco [3k\]: electric light... wha?
Godfather [1k\]: what is elo?
meuns [3d?\]: dani isn't bad here
terratoro: go is all about "when to tenuki"... dosnt matter if you are 10 kyu or 9p
Dennett [6d\]: practice fuseki....
]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[5]C[Tony84 [5k\]: h27
seikenguy [-\]: lol I improve more than 100 elo not doing anything in 1 month.
ccsco [3k\]: Dennett: you can do both. :-)
Dennett [6d\]: you gain almost nothing, for kyu players, honestly speaking..
]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[2]C[krikri [1d\]: dani  has bad position
ccsco [3k\]: even the Wbaduk site has a section on fuseki for kyu players in its training section.
xio [6k\]: good player never tenuki - for them all board is 'local'
]
;W[hc]WL[30]OW[5]C[meuns [3d?\]: white is ok
terratoro: k16 was nice
hugogogo [2k\]: haha
Zyfor [9k\]: f17 
meuns [3d?\]: read more
]
;B[ib]BL[30]OB[2]C[elementc [5k?\]: Books! Check'em out!
Sandmann [7d\]: quote by csaba: "In an average game you have around 120 moves to play. About half of these moves you may consider only one option. [...\] Mastering the basic concepts of only moves will make at least half of the moves you play correct. "
RobSchley [9k\]: F18?
]
;W[fb]WL[30]OW[5]C[Tony84 [5k\]: :)
RiFLoK [16k\]: yeah
Uberdude [3d?\]: yeah i agree with csaba's description of the types of moves
reprisal [2d?\]: hmm that is a pretty good way to look at it
Godfather [1k\]: around l14
ix7 [10k\]: L13
]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[2]C[byanjiong [9k\]: f19
]
;W[jg]WL[30]OW[5]C[ccsco [3k\]: :)
Corvin [4k\]: k13 answer in 1 sec.
]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[2]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: j12 
]
;W[ih]WL[30]OW[5]C[BobWhoosta [5k\]: K13 ultimate importance.
xio [6k\]: on the other hand, 3 bad moves can cost you a game
dxxd [-\]: now dennett should say "I'm csaba, damn"
]
;B[hi]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[dm]WL[30]OW[5]C[terratoro: casper`
terratoro: ?
]
;B[cm]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[5]C[Godfather [1k\]: hm
Nightfawk [2k\]: mhhhh
hadlar [3d\]: i disagree with his description
]
;B[dl]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[cl]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[dj]WL[30]OW[5]C[reprisal [2d?\]: if 3 bad moves sinks you those were probably ones that were forced and you didn't do it right
hadlar [3d\]: cause all it takes is 1 move to lose a game
Godfather [1k\]: is this better than d8 d6?
hadlar [3d\]: if you play half of them correct, that's too many incorrect leftover
Dennett [6d\]: well, I got to 6d totally by myself, without a teacher. 
ix7 [10k\]: eevil
hadlar [3d\]: thats my plan too :P
compendium [?\]: more power to you, Dennett
]
;B[hk]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[5]C[hadlar [3d\]: so far, no teacher for me
Dennett [6d\]: practice L&D problems. help me the most.
Cyphase [10k\]: lol, this board looks really small after watching beerslayer
terratoro: i got oone dan even without a board at all!
elvard [3k\]: Dennett: how long? :)
Nightfawk [2k\]: black must cut
seikenguy [-\]: Dennett it's different for every prson.
Sandmann [7d\]: what's your goal in Go, Dennett?
hugogogo [2k\]: actually you can never loose a game with one move not considering the previous moves
]
;B[fi]BL[30]OB[2]C[Tien [7d\]: Sandmann 7d, nice!
Godfather [1k\]: it depends on goal
Dennett [6d\]: 4 years
]
;W[eh]WL[30]OW[5]C[Sandmann [7d\]: it's just my kibitzing credibility increasing technique
elvard [3k\]: hmm, how long to shodan? :)
MrZNF [2d\]: 0.o
seikenguy [-\]: =))
krikri [1d\]: u can play 30 moves like pro and then one move that will screw all your effort half moves are not enough consistency is more than flashes of genius
ix7 [10k\]: J11
MrZNF [2d\]: I didn't know Sandmann was 7d o.o
copacetik [1d\]: I've found it's good to set short term achievable goals
]
;B[ii]BL[30]OB[2]C[Godfather [1k\]: 1 y is enough for shodan if youre not lazy
Dennett [6d\]: Go is just a interest for me, Sandmann
]
;W[ji]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jj]BL[30]OB[2]C[Dennett [6d\]: if you want to be a pro, 4 years to 6d obviously is too slow.
elvard [3k\]: good, then I'm not lazy
]
;W[lf]WL[30]OW[5]C[meuns [3d?\]: 2d egf ?
Godfather [1k\]: well. youre not a shodan yet)
IceSpectre [4k\]: 4 years to 6d from zero ? 
Dennett [6d\]: yes
elvard [3k\]: I'm not but I have enough time for that :)
IceSpectre [4k\]: i don't think it's slow progres 
Dennett [6d\]: I read over hundreads of books.
]
;B[ki]BL[30]OB[2]C[Godfather [1k\]: it highly depends on your bacjground
maxp73 [-\]: lol
elementc [5k?\]: Vortex went from 2k or so last year to 5d this year
sweetleaf [1k\]: You mean L&D books?
Dennett [6d\]: practice thousands of L&D problems
Dennett [6d\]: that is the most important
]
;W[jh]WL[30]OW[5]C[ccsco [3k\]: so it's just an interest, eh : )
Godfather [1k\]: I dont think that a child may start playing at 6 years and become 6 d by 10 years without a teacher
beerslayer [-\]: nooooo
IceSpectre [4k\]: yet you didn't have a teacher .. 
xio [6k\]: some of them two times :)
maxp73 [-\]: playing is the most important
elvard [3k\]: I'm watching hikaru all the time, it's very important too
Tony84 [5k\]: lol elvard
ix7 [10k\]: J9
elementc [5k?\]: L&D is a teacher
Dennett [6d\]: you gain few by playing, without reviewing
]
;B[jk]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[kd]WL[30]OW[5]C[beerslayer [-\]: w could have l16
Kunhikki [5d?\]: could u stop boasting about ur ranks -.-
Corvin [4k\]: ouch
Uberdude [3d?\]: i went from 30k to 9d in 3 weeks
xio [6k\]: I agree, I review my lost games and count errors. Once I lost a game with 3 of them :)
Cyphase [10k\]: lol
]
;B[eq]BL[30]OB[2]C[seikenguy [-\]: lol
Uberdude [3d?\]: thanks to wonderful kgs ranking system
beerslayer [-\]: lol uber
saisueye [1d\]: i got to 1d by watching hikaru, beat that XD
]
;W[ep]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[cr]BL[30]OB[2]C[Dennett [6d\]: I am not boasting, I just want to emphasize, L&D problems are the most important.
Nightfawk [2k\]: hikaru no go might be a good source of motvation to play go ^^
N4KED [1d\]: oh black is the pro???
krikri [1d\]: 1é points in gote not big deal
elementc [5k?\]: And now you can too with my patented Go Improvement System
]
;W[dr]WL[30]OW[5]C[saym [3d\]: uber didnt read any books for it
krikri [1d\]: 10 points cca
N4KED [1d\]: haha dang this is really bad
beerslayer [-\]: *pokes uber with a stick to see if the ego explodes*
ix7 [10k\]: D3?
seikenguy [-\]: I got to 21k by watching high dan games.
fatihsulak [-\]: who is leading? 
Godfather [1k\]: b2?
piku [3k\]: nice
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Black.
piku [3k\]: d2..
Dennett [6d\]: you read games, but can't understand, then it is meaningless.
]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[1]C[BobWhoosta [5k\]: White has the top left.
Shinichi56 [-\]: d3 e2 
elementc [5k?\]: Well, the pros themselves agree with Dennett that problems are the most important
piku [3k\]: no no no
elementc [5k?\]: Don't they?
piku [3k\]: b11 is right
IceSpectre [4k\]: i've got to 4k rank in 3 years just by playing about one or two games a day in avarage and watching some kgs games no learning basicly, just expirience :P
]
;W[bh]WL[30]OW[5]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: watch good pros there you learn some things ^^
terratoro: dennett  this is against all philosophy
N4KED [1d\]: If black loses then I think his pro certificate should go into the garbage
hugogogo [2k\]: i think replaying games on a real board with comment is also a nice training
Uberdude [3d?\]: the pros say if you want to get strong then problems are important
Uberdude [3d?\]: i don't want ot get strong, i want to have fun
]
;B[cj]BL[30]OB[1]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: so i don't do problems
fatihsulak [-\]: k2?
CornishHen [2k\]: gawd could you guys shut up about ranks please
hugogogo [2k\]: it will get you used to unusual shapes 
xio [6k\]: problems are fun
fireaway [4d?\]: perhaps this b is aiming for a draw?
]
;W[di]WL[30]OW[5]C[xio [6k\]: the problem with problems is they are so problematic
Dennett [6d\]: if you don't want to be strong, then just ignore what I said.
javi [3k\]: i am the problem to improve ¡ ;)
krikri [1d\]: hard to where connect
Nightfawk [2k\]: true being strong can be a side effect oif having fun playing go ^^
Tony84 [5k\]: im a strong 5k ^^^
]
;B[lo]BL[30]OB[1]C[Godfather [1k\]: ah
Godfather [1k\]: I wanted W o5)
terratoro: game over
Dennett [6d\]: of course, you can stay in the same strength for the whole life.
Daemon [3k?\]: Gj, Alex.
]
(;W[lr]WL[30]OW[5]C[elementc [5k?\]: I wish I were a strong 5k, Tony.
Tony84 [5k\]: lol
xio [6k\]: I have solved many problems. Most of the incorrectly
beerslayer [-\]: ima 24k now and probably always will be -_-
oOoPeinoOo [4k\]: bof
]
;B[kr]BL[30]OB[1]C[subaru67 [4k?\]: GG
]
;W[kq]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jr]BL[30]OB[1]C[seikenguy [-\]: Beerslayer I believe you can get to 23k with hard work.
elvard [3k\]: Today, I'm 42k with towel...
Hamburglar [1d\]: You haven't solved them if they were incorrect ;)
Dennett [6d\]: that's a good beginning, xio
beerslayer [-\]: yayyy 23k
seikenguy [-\]: )
sanjulorf [2k\]: hard to be believe you are 24k at beer slaying.. liar!
beerslayer [-\]: hahahah
]
;W[lp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[mq]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[mp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[iq]BL[30]OB[1]C[fatihsulak [-\]: complicated
seikenguy [-\]: I solved 5 problems yesterday. Then I got bored.
compendium [?\]: wow
Stevenson [-\]: exchange?
terratoro: poor poor POOR w
Godfather [1k\]: it is good
]
;W[nq]WL[30]OW[5]C[kostuek [-\]: 5 is a lot
]
;B[mr]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[nr]WL[30]OW[5]C[piku [3k\]: w screwed up here
seikenguy [-\]: I know.
Godfather [1k\]: that means your brain grows )
]
;B[ls]BL[30]OB[1]C[BobWhoosta [5k\]: White exchanges all of his territory for a little of blacks...
sanjulorf [2k\]: i solved 5 problems yesterday.. drink 5 beers..
beerslayer [-\]: hmmm
RobSchley [9k\]: think w lost that exchange
BobWhoosta [5k\]: In gote.
seikenguy [-\]: If I drink 5 beers I'll solve at least 50.
Dennett [6d\]: L&D problems are sometimes bored, but they are the most effective things :)
IceSpectre [4k\]: 5 problems bad idea 5 beers good idea 
xio [6k\]: your discussion makes me want to play go :)
fatihsulak [-\]: noone talks about the game :)
Nightfawk [2k\]: withe screwed o.O
elementc [5k?\]: L&D isn't boring, just frustrating and time consuming
ChemBoy613 [-\]: can white j8?
N4KED [1d\]: DONT drink beer.....ah
]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[4]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: fatihsulak, because it is over
atarihuana [1d\]: risky
elvard [3k\]: what about D&D ?
seikenguy [-\]: It's strange how I solved 5 dan problems cleanly and messed up all the 5 kyu ones.
sanjulorf [2k\]: votka then?
saisueye [1d\]: lol beer destroys your brain cells
hugogogo [2k\]: i think other reading problems are as valuables as LD probles
]
;B[kp]BL[30]OB[1]C[younme1991 [6k\]: is there any tips how to read a game properly cuz i sometimes read it right and sometimes wrong...=(
atarihuana [1d\]: very risky
]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[4]C[jean94 [1k\]: black win
elementc [5k?\]: D&D takes too much effort. Making character sheets sucks.
Godfather [1k\]: alkohol increases venes and decreases problems)
atarihuana [1d\]: looks overplay
]
;B[ko]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[4]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: not really
]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[hp]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[nl]BL[30]OB[1]C[krikri [1d\]: D and D = dungeons and dragons?
Yaruki [6k\]: =P
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Black about to kill a nice white group.
elvard [3k\]: yes
]
;W[ml]WL[30]OW[4]C[Neilio: some magic
terratoro: wow w about 25 point s^^
terratoro: tahts magic
KBAC [2d\]: the end
]
;B[mk]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[nm]WL[30]OW[4]C[lucaz [12k\]: resign
fgdfgfdg: q4 for white?
BobWhoosta [5k\]: White killed three black stones, let us all rememberthat.
Godfather [1k\]: ПЦ
xio [6k\]: it's not even a group yet
seikenguy [-\]: My eyes hurt from reading all the kibitz >_>
]
;B[nk]BL[30]OB[1]C[terratoro: one stones is allready a group in go
kostuek [-\]: ko
piku [3k\]: I also bet w dies
Nightfawk [2k\]: is b really trying to kill this group ?
beerslayer [-\]: p5 now now
Godfather [1k\]: sury b is
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Black will kill this group.
krikri [1d\]: cut?
yabyum [2k\]: I think he have to
]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[4]C[Sandmann [7d\]: he is not really trying but does anyway
Excalibor [-\]: i think he is taing profit from trying, at least :)
AroundOneD [2d\]: bascially died
]
;B[km]BL[30]OB[1]C[xio [6k\]: black can tenuki 3 times and still kill this
Surround [2k\]: not really 
terratoro: w alive
lucaz [12k\]: lol
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Black can't tenuki once.
terratoro: in gote
jean94 [1k\]: white dead
ccsco [3k\]: the door is shut
Nightfawk [2k\]: no he can t
]
;W[kl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jl]BL[30]OB[1]C[terratoro: w alive in gote
BobWhoosta [5k\]: w dead in sente.
lucaz [12k\]: where is w trying to go?
Uberdude [3d?\]: w lives, b kills k3
fireaway [4d?\]: not even close
adaptation [4d\]: b no need to kill
Stevenson [-\]: i cant see even one eye
erlang [1d\]: over
kostuek [-\]: cmn some ko
Uberdude [3d?\]: it's enough
atarihuana [1d\]: nada
Godfather [1k\]: k3 is not enough
terratoro: not dead yet
beerslayer [-\]: comon p5
atarihuana [1d\]: m6 mebbe
]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[3]C[beerslayer [-\]: yayyy
go1d [4d\]: white is dead
hugogogo [2k\]: at least w keeeps on smiling
]
;B[pm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[pp]WL[30]OW[3]C[IceSpectre [4k\]: one eye 
Hamburglar [1d\]: another eye at m6 no?
terratoro: w alive in gote
mihi [6d\]: alive
jean94 [1k\]: q2
]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[1]C[RobSchley [9k\]: yes
go1d [4d\]: q2 kill
go1d [4d\]: ;)
go1d [4d\]: please insert coin
mihi [6d\]: or not..
Tony84 [5k\]: lol
Uberdude [3d?\]: why w didn't k2?
Uberdude [3d?\]: q2
RobSchley [9k\]: w should have p3 instead of q4, no?
piku [3k\]: and now?
erlang [1d\]: not alive
mimi [4d\]: Q4 should be P3
seikenguy [-\]: W likes dying
seikenguy [-\]: Just like last game
AroundOneD [2d\]: died many times
seikenguy [-\]: )
Godfather [1k\]: w is dead come on
terratoro: hmm now he looks dead indeed
danigabi [5d\]: thanks
jean94 [1k\]: :)
Nightfawk [2k\]: over
breakfast [3p\]: thx!
BobWhoosta [5k\]: Good Game.
])
(;W[br]C[RobSchley [9k\]: gg guys
breakfast [3p\]: who was ahead?
subaru67 [4k?\]: mee
Godfather [1k\]: o5 instead of b2
subaru67 [4k?\]: ;)
breakfast [3p\]: looks close
RobSchley [9k\]: that last exchange was terrible for w
danigabi [5d\]: i felt good about top fight  :(
piku [3k\]: w also like it...
piku [3k\]: we
Neilio: what about l2?
]
;B[jr]
;W[ir]
;B[kr]C[Neilio: instead of b2
breakfast [3p\]: but if I start yose,
breakfast [3p\]: I have more points, I think
]))
(;W[hc]C[breakfast [3p\]: if so -
breakfast [3p\]: you can fight here
]
;B[ib]
;W[hb]C[breakfast [3p\]: ugly?
]
;B[ef]C[MrZNF [2d\]: wth...
breakfast [3p\]: hard to attack me anyway
]))
(;W[ec]C[danigabi [5d\]: i wanted to pick a fight
breakfast [3p\]: E17 -more common
]
;B[fb]
;W[db]
;B[gb]C[breakfast [3p\]: or this?
breakfast [3p\]: what is better?
danigabi [5d\]: i wasnt sure
danigabi [5d\]: i dont know
]))
(;W[dj]C[breakfast [3p\]: tennuki best?
]
;B[pe]
;W[fp]C[danigabi [5d\]: i thought of it..
breakfast [3p\]: yes, maybe best
AroundOneD [2d\]: too slow for w
danigabi [5d\]: i regret my decision, because i thought i would be able to invade at L17
AroundOneD [2d\]: b
danigabi [5d\]: and i couldnt find a sequence later
]))
(;W[pm]C[breakfast [3p\]: best?
breakfast [3p\]: R9 was too painful
])
(;W[pl]
;B[qh]
;W[ph]
;B[rh]C[danigabi [5d\]: maybe..
breakfast [3p\]: yes
danigabi [5d\]: i should Q7 before G17
breakfast [3p\]: after this yose
breakfast [3p\]: you get zero
]))
(;W[pm]
(;B[nq]
;W[gc]C[breakfast [3p\]: hmm
breakfast [3p\]: not sure about it
breakfast [3p\]: and I can ignore
])
(;B[fc]C[breakfast [3p\]: F17 - big
danigabi [5d\]: true
danigabi [5d\]: just not a good opening
])))
(;W[od]C[breakfast [3p\]: maybe here?
breakfast [3p\]: not sure which shape is better
]))
(;W[pn]C[breakfast [3p\]: will be another game
]
;B[op]
;W[pc]
;B[qb]
;W[pb]
;B[pe]
;W[od]
;B[qf]
;W[md]
;B[pk]C[breakfast [3p\]: I can choose this
danigabi [5d\]: i mean..instead of white G17
breakfast [3p\]: show me
]))
(;W[pn]
;B[nq]
;W[qj]
;B[pd]
;W[gc]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: if w is leading, w should play l5
breakfast [3p\]: normally this
danigabi [5d\]: i see
]))
