(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[flashback]PB[breakfast]WR[7d]BR[3p]DT[2010-09-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[breakfast [3p\]: http://insei-league.com/ 
breakfast [3p\]: Have a nice game!
flashback [7d\]: have good game
]RE[W+9.50]
;B[pd]BL[1787.932]
;W[dd]WL[1774.472]
;B[pq]BL[1777.02]
;W[dp]WL[1738.071]C[aditsu [5k\]: w00t
]
;B[qk]BL[1756.181]
;W[mp]WL[1687.977]C[aakatsuki: omoshirooooi
Killri [18k\]: A quastion to the observers: what does 3p rating mean?
]
;B[po]BL[1727.396]C[nosunlight [3k?\]: 3dan proffessional
zife [-\]: professional 3dan
Syptryn [4d\]: 3 dan pro
mayweed [22k?\]: 3 dan pro
Arhiman [1k\]: 3 dan pro
]
;W[jp]WL[1675.316]C[Killri [18k\]: thanks
]
;B[cn]BL[1714.856]
;W[fq]WL[1654.9]C[aakatsuki: this is not playing with korean inseis,isn't it?
]
;B[ck]BL[1688.2]C[aakatsuki: i mean, not really korean pro xD
Robotics [2k\]: its just the style, they're all europeans usually
]
;W[co]WL[1627.234]C[Syptryn [4d\]: <--- New Zealander :D
]
;B[bo]BL[1665.977]C[vaansama [16k\]: <---whatever
Syptryn [4d\]: hmm wonder why black chose this instead of B4
nosunlight [3k?\]: ... lucky new zealander....
]
;W[bp]WL[1580.408]C[shindon [-\]: b4 bad
]
;B[ch]BL[1659.387]C[Iktrionic [1d\]: why ?
Juniorv376 [8k\]: Maybe just experimenting?
shadowjack [9k\]: aakatsuki, breakfast is korean pro
Juniorv376 [8k\]: b4 bad? man those things make me feel Ill never truly get this game =) I love it hehe
atarihuana [1d\]: b4 better at d6?
Iktrionic [1d\]: Junior, b4 looks perfectly fine
Syptryn [4d\]: no no, why black played c-9 instead of b4
explicit [4k?\]: I hear that, Junior
shindon [-\]: d6 is giving w too much
]
;W[cf]WL[1521.117]C[atarihuana [1d\]: black b4 allows w to pincer/ attach
Syptryn [4d\]: d-6 is slow
qbit: b sequence also common
atarihuana [1d\]: at c7 or c8
whatisgo [2d\]: so far a pretty boring game
Humbert [2k\]: It´s a korean joseki, the point is to extend and then get sente if w b6
]
;B[jc]BL[1621.085]C[Syptryn [4d\]: I know that :), but I don't see that as necessarily bad :)
aakatsuki: but he did not same things as koreans to be pro
nonochan [6d\]: b6 is large, but k17 looks better
atarihuana [1d\]: boring games tend to get tricky fights in miidlegmae
nonochan [6d\]: But W wants to invade at r17 now
Syptryn [4d\]: r-17 is tempting
]
;W[qf]WL[1484.2]
;B[qe]BL[1616.623]C[explicit [4k?\]: Agreed. Why have no 100-move semeais for the game yet arisen when we are an entire 17 moves in?
]
;W[pf]WL[1480.817]
;B[nd]BL[1612.637]
;W[qi]WL[1480.033]C[Syptryn [4d\]: mmmm
shier12 [2k\]: p11 ?
aditsu [5k\]: r17 not so cool with the 3rd line stones on the sides
Syptryn [4d\]: I feel like white didn't get ideal result here
shier12 [2k\]: p11 ?
nonochan [6d\]: W decided to play this variation because he doesn't like to give B too much thickness
shier12 [2k\]: p10 ?
Syptryn [4d\]: r-17 is cool precisely because 3rd line stones :P
aditsu [5k\]: oh?
Syptryn [4d\]: u don't want to play r-17 if black has 4th line stoens everywhere :)
vaansama [16k\]: tengen? lol..
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Breakfast debating P10 or P9.  Considering he's Korean pro, P10 almost certain.
Syptryn [4d\]: p10  is possible
]
;B[bn]BL[1548.229]C[atarihuana [1d\]: p11
aditsu [5k\]: *scratches head"* maybe I got that wrong
alexanderp [3k?\]: ...hehe
velther [3d\]: p10 is good for middans, but break probably wants just p9
luzak [?\]: r7/?
Syptryn [4d\]: r7 
nonochan [6d\]: As I said before, b6 is large
velther [3d\]: f5
Drarego [7k\]: b6 ?
velther [3d\]: W f5 works to fix his hole at h3 too
qbit: h17 
velther [3d\]: and takes the corner
BobWhoosta [3k\]: B6 is large because it keeps the corner aji?
Drarego [7k\]: ok :o)
nonochan [6d\]: q12 r12 s14 s13 s15 seems to be correct way to attack - but it is W's turn, so....
velther [3d\]: with b6, now corner is invadable
atarihuana [1d\]: large in itself + corner aji
velther [3d\]: but W wants to play f5 IMO
nonochan [6d\]: e17 looks biggest
BobWhoosta [3k\]: No reason to P11 for white?
shindon [-\]: ya but if w plays there then b gets to defend or attack
shindon [-\]: *e 17 area *
nonochan [6d\]: Yes W p11 is good, but ...
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Slow.
Syptryn [4d\]: e-17 is peaceful
aditsu [5k\]: I like e17
uh [2d\]: does anyone know why breakfast is playing this game? was it a planned event or just a spontaneous thing
]
;W[qc]WL[1352.639]C[nonochan [6d\]: B will play d18 
Syptryn [4d\]: my style would tend more ttowards r7 though
Robotics [2k\]: its insei league
uh [2d\]: ok thank you
shadowjack [9k\]: S15?
]
;B[re]BL[1527.717]C[whatisgo [2d\]: promoting insei league
nonochan [6d\]: Breakfast is not a spontaneous guy
]
;W[oc]WL[1348.705]
;B[od]BL[1525.42]
;W[nb]WL[1347.938]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Now black will definitely attack R11
nonochan [6d\]: o18 better at o17 I think
evanj [2d\]: for a non-spontaneous guy he sure chose a stupid usename
Syptryn [4d\]: yeah, people in A Supergroup has chance to play public game in EGR
evanj [2d\]: username*
nonochan [6d\]: p11 is the right move for attacking
velther [3d\]: he likes his breakfast
]
;B[mb]BL[1478.891]C[nonochan [6d\]: But maybe B will play p10 later
velther [3d\]: he probably made it while eating breakfast
Syptryn [4d\]: r11 ia weak now
]
;W[rb]WL[1320.823]C[mooooo [6k\]: yay
nonochan [6d\]: n17 o17 p18 m17 s18 is probably better
Tiesto [3d\]: probably
Tiesto [3d\]: not
velther [3d\]: nono, that's the seq i see a lot
archemedes [1k?\]: strange... first R17 was too early. Now W makes his own group very weak.
]
;B[oj]BL[1428.357]C[nonochan [6d\]: No, you don't
explicit [4k?\]: Not m18 instead of m17 in that sequence?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Now, considering black wants to expand while attacking, what use does P10 have considering N4?
elandir123: s9?
evanj [2d\]: still plenty
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I guess white is going to get surrounded here and live small, so that's good.
evanj [2d\]: discourages w invasion around r7, for one thing
]
;W[nh]WL[1232.625]C[elandir123: hmm right evanj
BobWhoosta [3k\]: That's a great point evanj.
Tiesto [3d\]: i thought it was ok
nonochan [6d\]: M18 instead of M17 is fine too - either way there is plenty of aji to exploit
]
;B[gc]BL[1386.331]C[evanj [2d\]: also b has n6 later if he wants it
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Tiesto, I knew it was standard for attacking, I just wanted to have an idea of the benefits from better players.
archemedes [1k?\]: Let's promote evanj 3 dan immediately!
evanj [2d\]: ok
archemedes [1k?\]: to* ;-)
evanj [2d\]: does that mean i have to stop losing to shodans?
Tiesto [3d\]: if you take me seriously, you are in serious trouble
nonochan [6d\]: I dont like g17 
shindon [-\]: lol
shindon [-\]: yes
evani: [3d\]: done
nonochan [6d\]: It should be at d18 or so
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Tiesto, now I am in trouble wondering if I should take you seriously that I shouldn't take you seriously.
Tiesto [3d\]: why so serious?
nonochan [6d\]: still W e17 may pose invasion problems later
Juniorv376 [8k\]: We can dance this dance forever
nonochan [6d\]: d18 may be better here
Tiesto [3d\]: this is the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friends
Syptryn [4d\]: e17 feels good
BobWhoosta [3k\]: You have just proven the nonseriority of your posts.  Thank you.
aditsu [5k\]: e18, be different!
Sandmann [-\]: b should continue the attack:p
Rathalos [2d\]: i was one of the people that starting singing it not knowing what ot was
Juniorv376 [8k\]: from dark knight to lambchop. gotta love it
nonochan [6d\]: I won't take eitther if you seriously - does that help in your argument?
explicit [4k?\]: The o12 shape intrigues me. If b p13, w p11?
Tiesto [3d\]: this is no argument, its a violent discussion
uh [2d\]: nonochan how long did it take to get from 2d to 6d?
archemedes [1k?\]: I think E17 is a must move?
]
;W[fc]WL[1045.348]C[nonochan [6d\]: Sorry, I guess that was an insult on my part.
Tiesto [3d\]: and not a good one either
nonochan [6d\]: uh, excuse me?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Whoa.
aditsu [5k\]: heh, nobody guessed f17
elandir123: f17 strange
BobWhoosta [3k\]: F17, misclick?
Hayek [2k?\]: uhuhuhuhu
evanj [2d\]: someone peed in his cornflakes
archemedes [1k?\]: Back to 2d...
nonochan [6d\]: I am sorry. I will be more careful and cutting the next time that I insult you.
Tiesto [3d\]: its a different person
uh [2d\]: i mean what length of time did it take to improve to 6d rank from 2d rank
Rathalos [2d\]: he was never 3d, that was a guest account
patrickelo [4k\]: played a teaching game yesterday where i told an 8k that f17 is very bad in similar positon
explicit [4k?\]: It is not 3d honte to insult someone after they have apologized
Tiesto [3d\]: i like overplay
Tiesto [3d\]: overplay is powerplay
Peantoo [8k?\]: overplay=POWERPLAY
nonochan [6d\]: f17 is too weird - there is no reason to try to take sente here at a local loss
BobWhoosta [3k\]: f18 e17 e18 d18 g16 and black has stablized his territory while making aji for the corner.
Tiesto [3d\]: oh i beat you
]
;B[ec]BL[1276.936]C[nosunlight [3k?\]: i dislike overplay 
Peantoo [8k?\]: yeahh, well mine had more power
nosunlight [3k?\]: overplay is hoping for mistakes
explicit [4k?\]: patrikelo, the only rationale is that 7d next to flashback's name. We will see how this turns out
aditsu [5k\]: at least half the things kyus teach are probably wrong :p
nonochan [6d\]: OTOH, n11 or so is a good move
Tiesto [3d\]: overplay is causing mistakes
Racaille [1d\]: because u don't know how to answer overplay  nusunlight
Tiesto [3d\]: through psychological dominance
Racaille [1d\]: very true
nosunlight [3k?\]: do you like to overplay yourself though? that is the question i believe
nonochan [6d\]: d17 is a sad business
patrickelo [4k\]: explicit: its just so funny how opinion about moves change every few ranks
atarihuana [1d\]: no.mistakes lead to overplays
nonochan [6d\]: f17 should have been at e17 or at d18 
explicit [4k?\]: Quite so :)
Racaille [1d\]: F17 was really strange 
moneyG: digging stone
Racaille [1d\]: i don't get it
Syptryn [4d\]: point of F-17 is to make black voer concetrated I think
Racaille [1d\]: E17 is the sanction ?
nonochan [6d\]:  guess W wanted sente desperately
BobWhoosta [3k\]: White planning on sacrificing the corner for S9.
aditsu [5k\]: there goes w's corner
]
;W[ed]WL[922.47]
;B[fb]BL[1272.014]
;W[fd]WL[919.878]
;B[db]BL[1270.021]
;W[dc]WL[918.974]
;B[eb]BL[1268.467]
;W[cb]WL[917.094]C[Syptryn [4d\]: errr
Racaille [1d\]: this was bad sequence for w
Syptryn [4d\]: whites corner mass aji
uh [2d\]: could white have avoided what just happened
Syptryn [4d\]: b16  sad later
Sandmann [-\]: arrr
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Yes, if he didn't play F17.
]
;B[rg]BL[1206.571]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black's K17 group is almost set to take 10-15 points.
nonochan [6d\]: So this is a similar result as when B starts at d18 d17 e18 c18 g17 f16, B somehwere and W forces f17 for f18 
]
;W[ph]WL[907.248]C[Racaille [1d\]: nonochan already gives me headache
Syptryn [4d\]: white ponful
nonochan [6d\]: I think this gives W a bad result
Syptryn [4d\]: n11 
nonochan [6d\]: Sorry, rascal
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Nice tewari.
uh [2d\]: is q12 ok?
Racaille [1d\]: :p
BobWhoosta [3k\]: So you're saying it's the same as if black moved in the corner first, took sente to play elsewhere, and THEN white made a bad exchange??
nonochan [6d\]: s13 is large because if W plays at s14, W s16 is large later
]
;B[lh]BL[1141.096]C[nonochan [6d\]: Something like that, Bob
uh [2d\]: i thought it was to mitigate s9
Athanor [-\]: wow
teenangst [2d\]: b won this already
Athanor [-\]: go flash!
teenangst [2d\]: dun kno y flash is w anyways
nonochan [6d\]: But the main thing is that B got away with playing at d18 , which would usually give a thin position. But not here
aditsu [5k\]: not quite won, but seems to be in control
GocchiSama [1k\]: so many weak groups
evanj [2d\]: where?
uh [2d\]: isn't it just one?
evanj [2d\]: i see one
teenangst [2d\]: 5k dun question me
nonochan [6d\]: W wants to aim at q9 at some stage
Athanor [-\]: gocchi sees things other can't...don't you?
nonochan [6d\]: B is aiming at b18 c19 b16 
teenangst [2d\]: if i said b pretty muc won he will win
aditsu [5k\]: I'm not questioning you, I'm just saying you're wrong.. and rude
evanj [2d\]: oh snap
teenangst [2d\]: but im not wrong
Rathalos [2d\]: yes you are
]
;W[mi]WL[737.566]C[uh [2d\]: nonochan doesn't white have something at h17 if push comes to shove after b18
Athanor [-\]: ofc you are, you're 2d :)
atarihuana [1d\]: at least you are rude so pls.  
teenangst [2d\]: eh watch b will win by resign
atarihuana [1d\]: what a prediction, thx captain obvious
Athanor [-\]: so you predict future aswell? strong you
Rathalos [2d\]: but you said B had already won. if he already won they would be reviewing right now
atarihuana [1d\]: you may leave now
teenangst [2d\]: he owned every part of the game
EpicPhail [3k\]: w will win by resign?
nonochan [6d\]: no, uh
Lilltiger [3d?\]: w can still win
explicit [4k?\]: Athanor, you will have to find a different logical fallacy to cling to
Lilltiger [3d?\]: b just have the advantage
teenangst [2d\]: y wuld flash resign now?
GiacNgo [2d\]: c3?
Athanor [-\]: i don't need, thanks
teenangst [2d\]: hes playing a pro free review
EpicPhail [3k\]: b+193,5 ok b won already
nonochan [6d\]: n9 looks good as a follow up
Athanor [-\]: breakfast must be attending the pro stuff flash told me about..
teenangst [2d\]: look at w living so small
BobWhoosta [3k\]: When they review and Breakfast gets to F17, he's just going to type "..." and move on.
Racaille [1d\]: this is painful for w
nonochan [6d\]: not living yet
ato [6k\]: reaching a true conclusion says nothing about the truth value of the premise
]
;B[no]BL[1019.626]C[teenangst [2d\]: even his bottom is weak
Tiesto [3d\]: no pain no gain
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Nice move.
toop [1k\]: o5 is not sente
nonochan [6d\]: o5 is to prevent an invasion around r7 
GocchiSama [1k\]: if u want to play u have to pay
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I was wondering how to attack N11 for profit, and this is a perfect way to do it.
]
;W[li]WL[704.938]C[teenangst [2d\]: o5 slackish
nonochan [6d\]: m11 is honte\]
Racaille [1d\]: i would never have thought about o5  O_o
]
;B[mo]BL[1007.788]C[uh [2d\]: white seems to making some dame moves the past couple
Tiesto [3d\]: or you could always go the aggressive route
toop [1k\]: what's honte
slayn: correct
qbit: book move
]
;W[lp]WL[688.073]C[nonochan [6d\]: What is your problem teenangst?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Honte is a proper move, that prevents attack by making weakness strong.
toop [1k\]: i see
nonochan [6d\]: I mean you have that name for a reason
uh [2d\]: what do you mean?
velther [3d\]: he has teenage angst
teenangst [2d\]: i dun hav a problem
nonochan [6d\]: You have had too much jail bait?
Tiesto [3d\]: nonochan, if you react to a troll you lose
himbuis: n2
toop [1k\]: white n4 is at 4th line, so white is happy to play m4 imo
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: his problem is he thinkgs he is better than he actually is
uh [2d\]: i didn't see any trolling
Tiesto [3d\]: a little tip that will go a long way
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: thinks*
GocchiSama [1k\]: why black stretenght white position in fourth line?
teenangst [2d\]: everyone else does
Rathalos [2d\]: i can beat a troll at their own game
]
;B[mc]BL[954.827]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Gocchi, it doesn't make white have any extra territory.
Tiesto [3d\]: well thats because you have power
nonochan [6d\]: n17 looks sente-ish
Racaille [1d\]: what is ur count everyone ?
Tiesto [3d\]: or least claim to
teenangst [2d\]: jail aint that bad
nonochan [6d\]: That's why I wanted W to play n17 o17 p18 
Racaille [1d\]: b+15.5
Tiesto [3d\]: i think its tied racaille
teenangst [2d\]: or juvi isnt
Athanor [-\]: for those who never got in
toop [1k\]: black looks like preparing the attack
teenangst [2d\]: idk bout jail
nonochan [6d\]: count???
Rathalos [2d\]: they are nice to you in jail if you are pretty
uh [2d\]: isn't n17 definite sente?
Sire [2k\]: o8?
teenangst [2d\]: oh yah
nonochan [6d\]: yes, it looks like sente
Athanor [-\]: q18 looks like a kill
teenangst [2d\]: but i ran things there
toop [1k\]: q18 is too good for b so it's sente
Tiesto [3d\]: i dont think its sente
nocturne19 [1k\]: Is B leading?
himbuis: no
boat [3d\]: ignoring this would be ko ?
Kachnak [1d\]: q18 q16 t17 kill?
nonochan [6d\]: q18 is probably best
himbuis: w needs f5
nonochan [6d\]: or s16 
Kachnak [1d\]: q18 q17 t17 
boobgoober [2k\]: a ko but i dont think it would b life or death ko
dasango [2k\]: d6
Sire [2k\]: i think white would ignore
nonochan [6d\]: q18 q17 t17 t18 p18 o17 o19 p19 q19 n16 
Randomgu1 [6k\]: Ignoring feels risky, at least for me
nonochan [6d\]: Random, that is easily solved: READ
Sire [2k\]: i think r7 is bigger
Lilltiger [3d?\]: saving it is pretty small
Juniorv376 [8k\]: I don't feel easy ignoring either. ManI wish i could think like a dan.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I don't think white can get away with ko even, consdering his weak group.
Hayek [2k?\]: nonochan t17 p18?
NoBenjamin [4k\]: ignoring is death
nonochan [6d\]: no
uh [2d\]: nonochan it may be easy for you because you're 6d but he's 6k
nonochan [6d\]: q18 q17 t17 p18 t18 kills
Athanor [-\]: r7 is suicide with n5 b
Racaille [1d\]: t17 in ur sequence nono  is not easy to see for a 6k
evanj [2d\]: it is now
]
;W[hc]WL[377.768]C[nonochan [6d\]: But Randomgo makes a remark about his feelings and uses that as a reason.
Racaille [1d\]: right
]
;B[gd]BL[934.566]
;W[hb]WL[372.632]
;B[gb]BL[931.927]C[nonochan [6d\]: h17 is nonsense, I think
]
;W[id]WL[369.372]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: This will not end well.
uh [2d\]: h17 used like this is unexpected to me
evanj [2d\]: you think, nonochan? why don't you READ
]
;B[jd]BL[913.603]C[aditsu [5k\]: when you're not strong enough to read, you play by feeling :)
]
;W[ie]WL[366.629]C[basicpract [-\]: thinking is not the same as feeling :P
]
;B[gf]BL[910.426]C[uh [2d\]: i thought it would be kept in reserve
Tiesto [3d\]: not only can i READ i can WRITE too
uh [2d\]: now black just has to keep those two white groups separated right?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: With M11, white can't afford a fight in this area.
nonochan [6d\]: Because, evenj, you can't read this - this is a problem of INTUITION.
basicpract [-\]: and sometimes reading does not let you know if a sequence is good or bad :P
basicpract [-\]: it just lets you know if it works or not ^_^
Athanor [-\]: read first, analyse then
Tiesto [3d\]: i just play randomly
Dorak [4k?\]: Black good^^
]
;W[je]WL[295.12]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: White is going to lose something big here...
evanj [2d\]: i really don't know how long w can go without playing q18
Athanor [-\]: are you guys so weak, you don't even know this? i'm sure you aren't
]
;B[bb]BL[898.08]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: L12?
zife [-\]: you could say that all reading is partly intuition though
Peantoo [8k?\]: you gotta play a lot to get intuition. Go play 1000 games.
]
;W[bc]WL[287.186]
;B[ca]BL[891.348]
;W[cc]WL[285.871]C[Athanor [-\]: a good shape knowledge aims your intuition
uh [2d\]: that's too painful
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Oh man, if black can force C17 out, white lost.
uh [2d\]: if white didn't start this fight he could capture b18
nonochan [6d\]:  k15 is advanturous
minismurf [-\]: n17 is played
nonochan [6d\]: j13 would be better
Tiesto [3d\]: probably not
sanjulorf [1k\]: i have learned english with the help of intuition :P
GrayRoger [6k\]: still no eye for b
Athanor [-\]: 1/2 eye
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black can just E13 here and set up influence in sente though right?
Racaille [1d\]: time for Q18
aditsu [5k\]: don't worry about b :)
Kadosh [2d\]: ?
EpicPhail [3k\]: b13?
Racaille [1d\]: kill the corner
Racaille [1d\]: now
Randomgu1 [6k\]: B 13 w G15?
]
;B[kh]BL[797.392]C[Lilltiger [3d?\]: no q18 is slow
Tiesto [3d\]: its unpossible
Athanor [-\]: i read w corner is alive
EpicPhail [3k\]: m14
aditsu [5k\]: g15 h15
kowalli [7k\]: kill all)
nonochan [6d\]: l12 is the vital point for a few good reasons
Athanor [-\]: l12 is essentially cutting two w weak groups
Tiesto [3d\]: and a few bad ones too
aditsu [5k\]: or even h16
Calis [2d\]: q18 t17 and corner partly alive?
uh [2d\]: maybe j12?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: White cut, and running, and has to worry about D16 getting sealed in and killed.
Syptryn [4d\]: j12 
Syptryn [4d\]: fight!
]
;W[ig]WL[222.188]C[sdvdsbs: b weaker
Tiesto [3d\]: round 1, fight
sdvdsbs: w win easily
TaksiMies [2k?\]: lol
Tiesto [3d\]: cue the mortal kombat music
BobWhoosta [3k\]: K11?
katil [1k\]: 3 weak groups no way to win.
basicpract [-\]: sdvdsBS, any backup for your comment :P
]
;B[gh]BL[770.627]C[EpicPhail [3k\]: k11
Q161 [?\]: basic dont feed the trolls thx
]
;W[ii]WL[203.099]C[sdvdsbs: exactly
Tiesto [3d\]: mmm but we are hungry
sdvdsbs: just testing the weak links
Tiesto [3d\]: omnomnom
mperahia [2k\]: oh, best player of KGS is here - the one and only smartrobot
Syptryn [4d\]: l11 
sanjulorf [1k\]: four groups weak, even i can not do that :))
Racaille [1d\]: Q18
]
;B[ki]BL[744.58]C[EpicPhail [3k\]: n17 not really strong 
uh [2d\]: wow white is getting unbearably thin
Syptryn [4d\]: n-17 alive
Syptryn [4d\]: due to corner aji on whites part
shadowjack [9k\]: is b preparing to cut?
Novlaire [2d?\]: Hmm, I read that after b Q18 the corner will die, but then they are way better at this than me.
Tiesto [3d\]: it had to be the weight watchers
aditsu [5k\]: smartrobot is top 4
MRSA [7d\]: good chance to play s14
Lilltiger [3d?\]: the weakness of n17 might give w sente life in the corner
mperahia [2k\]: smartrobot is number one of our hearts
Kachnak [1d\]: s14 t14 does change anything?
uh [2d\]: i really doubt that white is getting sente anything
Tiesto [3d\]: what does that even mean?
]
;W[kj]WL[123.19]C[hilth [12k?\]: m 14 is a vital point
MRSA [7d\]: threatens b a little bit
Novlaire [2d?\]: smartrobot isn't the best, sai2004 is.
]
;B[jj]BL[722.873]
;W[ji]WL[120.466]C[Athanor [-\]: the chinese pro?
]
;B[kk]BL[710.443]C[sdvdsbs: if 3p get beaten by a 6d player, will be really embarrassing :)
]
;W[lj]WL[117.767]C[basicpract [-\]: 7d :)
SaurusDNA [6k\]: sai2004 only plays simuls against weaker players
BobWhoosta [3k\]: M14
sdvdsbs: real life 6d
Athanor [-\]: 6d ladder
nonochan [6d\]: He gets beaten all the time
]
;B[lf]BL[689.909]C[mperahia [2k\]: sai gets eaten by smart for breakfast
MRSA [7d\]: well, breakfast is an honorary pro...
Calis [2d\]: well breakfast is 6dan ama too
qbit: real life 5d he says in the info
noned [2d\]: 7d ama
SaurusDNA [6k\]: Breakfast is 7 times European champion
Athanor [-\]: he did honorarily kick some 7d asses
nonochan [6d\]: No he is a real life 3p
noned [2d\]: yup
Syptryn [4d\]: 7d by EGF rating right?
nonochan [6d\]: And he was playing at that level for a few years
uh [2d\]: maybe g11?
MRSA [7d\]: no, his 1p was not earned from tournament
Msha [5k\]: it says "Hi, I am Alexander Dinerchtein, 3-dan pro from Korea, 7-time European Champion"
EpicPhail [3k\]: :)
MRSA [7d\]: his promotion to 3p was awarded for his work in promoting go
qbit: i said w 5d egf not b...
nonochan [6d\]: Not 7d in Europe
Athanor [-\]: but it is true that some younger european are getting stronger than him
dasango [2k\]: e12
nonochan [6d\]: This year he doesn't play well
BobWhoosta [3k\]: e12 overplay.
noned [2d\]: his goris 2723
aditsu [5k\]: you can get ranks for promoting go?
MRSA [7d\]: he is still at or near top in europe
thief0923 [1k\]: dan is not equal to pro
uh [2d\]: is fan hui in egf too?
MRSA [7d\]: maybe Ilya will pass him soon, but for now, they are close
Athanor [-\]: n5 works perfectly
]
;W[le]WL[60]OW[5]C[Reaper [8d?\]: actually 6dan here are = to 1p 
]
;B[me]BL[683.241]C[Reaper [8d?\]: if the 6d is a strong 6d of course
sdvdsbs: diner said himself... once you start teaching... your tournament skill dies
]
;W[kd]WL[60]OW[5]C[Syptryn [4d\]: white can't cut...
mooooo [6k\]: is ilya becoming pro?
noned [2d\]: iljas gor is 2736, so already passed :)
MRSA [7d\]: that's silly
BobWhoosta [3k\]: N14 here.
SaurusDNA [6k\]: There's a short CV for Breakfast (Alexander Dinerchtei) on the Korean Insei league page: http://dgs.insei-league.com/teachers.html
Nobato [6k\]: wow 
BobWhoosta [3k\]: K17 can connect.
MRSA [7d\]: rating poitns come and go, not a good base to judge strength
golife [1d\]: b looks in danger
dchyang [?\]: b needs a verygood move here
]
;B[mh]BL[626.886]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: b fine.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: K17 in no danger.
]
;W[ni]WL[60]OW[5]C[krikri [1k\]: now is corner death no?
boobgoober [2k\]: looks like w is in more danger than b to me
noned [2d\]: mrsa, well ilja beat alex last time.. in the egc
Athanor [-\]: btw, q18 is now a simple kill with no aji
]
;B[kc]BL[609.902]C[MRSA [7d\]: so? he lost more
dchyang [?\]: n12 excellent
MRSA [7d\]: they are about the same now
noned [2d\]: but i dont know the score from all years
Syptryn [4d\]: s14 
noned [2d\]: sure alex must be ahead
MRSA [7d\]: can't say ilya passed alex
Syptryn [4d\]: s-14 or o-14
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black doesn't need to kill P17 until M10 gets out.
]
;W[nf]WL[60]OW[5]C[Q161 [?\]: b q18 gogogogo
uh [2d\]: has ilya gone to korea to study?
golife [1d\]: o14
MRSA [7d\]: if he can earn a korean 1p, then i would agree he passed alex
luzak [?\]: n14
Msha [5k\]: g15 cuts black?
dchyang [?\]: m16?
evanj [2d\]: hmm... i go away for awhile and w still hasn't played q18
Kankudai [1k\]: is there some danger for b ??
]
;B[ld]BL[565.914]C[Kankudai [1k\]: after m16
golife [1d\]: m16
BobWhoosta [3k\]: G15 cuts G14 group off, but loses H17 stones.
boobgoober [2k\]: g15 cut doesnt work
]
;W[ke]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[mf]BL[563.336]C[phamthoa [6k\]: G15 not cutting black
Syptryn [4d\]: s14 
EpicPhail [3k\]: q18
yoochanan [3k\]: n8?
golife [1d\]: k18
]
;W[rf]WL[60]OW[5]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: If white takes time to Q18, black can at least get a seki.
Ceausescu [1k\]: w has 4 groups in the upper side. 
Lilltiger [3d?\]: n17 no alive yet
Ceausescu [1k\]: eventually.. he will die.
Lilltiger [3d?\]: so w is trying his best to get sente corner life
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Tiger, if white gets surrounded, only one eye, so it's seki right?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: So then Q18 is gote.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: And K9 is getting urgent.
]
;B[bg]BL[490.257]C[EpicPhail [3k\]: life is gote
Q161 [?\]: only if youre a loser
sdvdsbs: lol
sdvdsbs: touche
SaurusDNA [6k\]: Killing is gote.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Man, breakfast going after everything...
Ceausescu [1k\]: w got stabbed now. 
basicpract [-\]: White probably does nto want to k9, because one of his groups will suffer :P
dchyang [?\]: w in struggling
N4KED [1d\]: white = fail
Lilltiger [3d?\]: no it will never be seki, either w get sente life in corner (forcing b to live on the outside, or b kills the corner
]
;W[bf]WL[60]OW[5]C[uh [2d\]: lots of guts to just respond at b14 like nothing's wrong
aditsu [5k\]: b is awesome
Lilltiger [3d?\]: have to respond to it
BobWhoosta [3k\]: If black plays T14 now, then White lives with Q18, black can K9, and each has one eye with many shared libs.  That's not seki?
]
;B[pb]BL[452.739]C[Ceausescu [1k\]: yeah. its not like he has much of a choice
Mezzanyne [?\]: there it is
uh [2d\]: responding there is almost certainly losing 
]
;W[pc]WL[60]OW[5]C[nonochan [6d\]: GO = Game Over
BobWhoosta [3k\]: uh, tenuki there is also losing though.
sdvdsbs: u guys so negative :)
uh [2d\]: yeah but wouldnt you want to complicate it the most possible
Lilltiger [3d?\]: only option w had was to play q18 and hop b would treat that move like sente..
Lilltiger [3d?\]: but he wouldent
BobWhoosta [3k\]: If E15 runs, H18 will die.
golife [1d\]: q18 looks not good..b should play o17
NoBenjamin [4k\]: p18
luzak [?\]: p18
georgeee [3k\]: w not dead
qbit: t17
yoyoman [1d\]: s16
aditsu [5k\]: t17
basicpract [-\]: t17
nonochan [6d\]: t17 t18 p18 kills
cheater [7d\]: T17 kills?
]
;B[sc]BL[375.822]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[5]C[Ceausescu [1k\]: tsumego:)
aditsu [5k\]: o_O
cheater [7d\]: nice flash
cheater [7d\]: seki 
Reaper [8d?\]: dead
HonFu [2d\]: flash?
]
;B[sb]BL[348.332]C[uh [2d\]: this is not working
jwc [-\]: ko?
pinkgun [7k\]: at best seki
Reaper [8d?\]: dead
aditsu [5k\]: looks dead to me
cheater [7d\]: t16
golife [1d\]: ko
sdvdsbs: that's so grim, reaper
]
;W[rc]WL[60]OW[5]C[Syptryn [4d\]: white wantso to liberty fight with big eye
uh [2d\]: he'd get creamed in any lib fight
teenangst [2d\]: sdvdsbs: that's so grim, reaper
Nobato [6k\]: w dead
aloc [4d\]: ko
EpicPhail [3k\]: kill g18 now
Syptryn [4d\]: never underestimate a big eye :D
teenangst [2d\]: hahaha a pun LOL
Syptryn [4d\]: white okay if black ahs to kill by filling liberty though
Reaper [8d?\]: still seems dead to me
Syptryn [4d\]: makes his outside strong
uh [2d\]: 3-3 4-5 5-8 is all you need to know hehe
nonochan [6d\]: t16 q19 p18 s19 s19 o17 kills
nonochan [6d\]: t15 is good too
dchyang [?\]: t15 or 16?
]
;B[se]BL[278.578]C[Syptryn [4d\]: ah nice
dchyang [?\]: yeah
Syptryn [4d\]: no sene t-14
cheater [7d\]: it's ko
teenangst [2d\]: omg 9d
jasch [1d\]: i dont see a way for white to get o17 in sente for a seki
]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[5]C[Syptryn [4d\]: what ko?
Syptryn [4d\]: p18 
nonochan [6d\]: q19 is a mistake
Reaper [8d?\]: seki in sente
jasch [1d\]: hm
Athanor [-\]: it's just dead
aloc [4d\]: this iko
cheater [7d\]: r19p18
nonochan [6d\]: r19 p18 is ko, but p18 kills
Kachnak [1d\]: alive...
MRSA [7d\]: why mistake, nono?
NoBenjamin [4k\]: p18
dchyang [?\]: dead
Reaper [8d?\]: r19 is possible now
Syptryn [4d\]: wait
cheater [7d\]: p18 s19 o17 r18 nono
Syptryn [4d\]: p-18 seki?
Reaper [8d?\]: but
uh [2d\]: haha mrsa way to rub it in
teenangst [2d\]: dead
nonochan [6d\]: I AM mistaken
Syptryn [4d\]: p18 s19 r18 o17 
Fredda [-\]: r19
IvanD [4d\]: ko ?
nonochan [6d\]: It is KO
Reaper [8d?\]: white might ko
teenangst [2d\]: p18 
Reaper [8d?\]: or more like
nonochan [6d\]: r19 p18 
Reaper [8d?\]: black might ko
Syptryn [4d\]: have to ko then
explicit [4k?\]: It seems we've run through all the normal kibitz-shouting, so I will add: thousand-year ko
Reaper [8d?\]: he either will go for seki in sente
Reaper [8d?\]: or do ko 
IvanD [4d\]: r19 -> p18
nonochan [6d\]: no
sdvdsbs: ahaha explicit
Nobato [6k\]: ko
nonochan [6d\]: Of course not go for the seki
uh [2d\]: reaper wouldn't black just leave it over the sente seki?
jasch [1d\]: r19 s19 p19 ?
]
;B[ik]BL[189.254]C[Syptryn [4d\]: go ko
jasch [1d\]: then its dead
dchyang [?\]: no ko, pure dead
sdvdsbs: reaper wrong again
MRSA [7d\]: no way will go for seki ^^
shadowjack [9k\]: hahaha
Nobato [6k\]: r19 p18??
Reaper [8d?\]: black is smart
Reaper [8d?\]: ko is too dumb at this point in the game
Syptryn [4d\]: white now burdened by large ko
dchyang [?\]: b wants all
HonFu [2d\]: why, reaper?
Reaper [8d?\]: but if he leaves it
Reaper [8d?\]: without making seki
krikri [1k\]: create tons of ko threat or kill one of groups 
MRSA [7d\]: not a free ko for b though
Reaper [8d?\]: he can use it to make huge points later
]
;W[gi]WL[60]OW[5]C[josek [8k\]: how is it dead?
uh [2d\]: yeah but making seki is like giving away that possibility of capturing for sure
HonFu [2d\]: why not now? is it not enough?
Syptryn [4d\]: black not 100% alive either
cheater [7d\]: free ko for B
MRSA [7d\]: n17 group not completely alive if B loses ko
]
;B[fh]BL[166.729]C[leachy [5k\]: w still struggling with all those weak groups though
N4KED [1d\]: ko is too small right now
dchyang [?\]: yea
katil [1k\]: w is suffering. 
]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[5]C[Reaper [8d?\]: black upseting white stones
HonFu [2d\]: how do you determine that it is too small?
N4KED [1d\]: why did white make 4 weak groups?
dchyang [?\]: w has four uncertain groups, too many
bennest [4k\]: 490 observers
Reaper [8d?\]: he was forced too ;)
BboyLucky [2k\]: e10?
N4KED [1d\]: where did he learn to play go?
Athanor [-\]: because it is w's style
toop [1k\]: it's not small, just white won't make it alive in gote
uh [2d\]: white's no cho chikun that's for sure
golife [1d\]: g10
nonochan [6d\]: I must say that I think j9 is not good style
toop [1k\]: so start ko is b's right
golife [1d\]: sorry h10
sdvdsbs: why, what does cho chikun do?
Q161 [?\]: who cares about style
Q161 [?\]: its about teh territory
evanj [2d\]: h10 doesn't work golife
MRSA [7d\]: i think k9 better than j9...
Reaper [8d?\]: lol this board is so troubling
leachy [5k\]: nono, you mean k9 better?
dchyang [?\]: g4?
BboyLucky [2k\]: H10 not now , E 10
evanj [2d\]: h10 h11 g10 f10
Msha [5k\]: isn't b p18  kills and w p18 it lives?
HonFu [2d\]: cho chikun takes 3 or four corners, then invades the huge moyo of the opponent and somehow gets away with it or loses
hiss [-\]: connection k9 was better?
Reaper [8d?\]: yea leachy k9 
EpicPhail [3k\]: smartrobot should comment
xbgnity [6k\]: kill O11 group?
]
;B[qa]BL[65.807]C[basicpract [-\]: p18 s19 r18 o17 seki, Msha
]
;W[ob]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[oa]BL[61.632]C[bigfatcat [2d?\]: r19 rather than p18
]
;W[pe]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qd]BL[57.072]C[toop [1k\]: j9 is better if you need to attack the m11
Biovizir [3k\]: ko!
]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[5]C[GrayRoger [6k\]: could P16 die?
uh [2d\]: black has quite a few threats against that corner white group
leachy [5k\]: but j9 pressures the group to the left of it more
sdvdsbs: smartrobot divided by zero and is not operational
aditsu [5k\]: it's ok, even 8d was confused
Syptryn [4d\]: ko fight!
Athanor [-\]: let's see what threats he uses
Msha [5k\]: I see, thx
Reaper [8d?\]: this board is all wrecked 
Syptryn [4d\]: start with H-14
katil [1k\]: why k9 better than j9 ? 
Syptryn [4d\]: then F-15 wll become damaging threat for white
evanj [2d\]: less aji
EpicPhail [3k\]: e14?
MRSA [7d\]: if w gets the k10 stones, he may give up ko
]
;B[hf]BL[60]OB[5]C[Syptryn [4d\]: w00t
]
;W[jg]WL[60]OW[5]C[Syptryn [4d\]: I win
]
;B[oa]BL[60]OB[5]C[uh [2d\]: nice job
evanj [2d\]: congratulations
evanj [2d\]: here's your cookie
leachy [5k\]: i don't see how white can win the ko with all his weak groups
uh [2d\]: mine was sincere =p
hiss [-\]: n19 bad threat?
evanj [2d\]: and mine wasn't?
evanj [2d\]: ia gree, leachy
sdvdsbs: maybe Reaper is 8d at least in kibitz :)
corwey: t16
Syptryn [4d\]: n19 !
MRSA [7d\]: q9
]
;W[sa]WL[60]OW[5]C[basicpract [-\]: by ignroing a threat, leachy :P
nonochan [6d\]: Hardly
Nobato [6k\]: g15
Reaper [8d?\]: im only 30k in go and 100k in kibitz
evanj [2d\]: uh oh, give back your cookie
Syptryn [4d\]: s19 ?
evanj [2d\]: good move
]
;B[sd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Weishenme [4d\]: T16
jasch [1d\]: nice
]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[if]BL[60]OB[5]C[nonochan [6d\]: Throwing in at t16 would have been even better
Weishenme [4d\]: T19 not so god , b will approach more quickly now
uh [2d\]: approach what?
Syptryn [4d\]: na throwing at t-16 means t-19 no longer theat
Weishenme [4d\]: good if b makes a mistake and take ...
ClemGo [3k?\]: w will give up the ko soon, he can't fight now
Syptryn [4d\]: since black and respond with s-19 and kill
]
;W[kg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[oa]BL[60]OB[5]C[hiss [-\]: b any way has more libs
Kankudai [1k\]: b will get some compensation if he losts the ko :)
cugel20k [5d\]: m7
pinkgun [7k\]: H16
EpicPhail [3k\]: hm
evanj [2d\]: h16 f15
Q161 [?\]: kan that is the most vacuous statement ive ever heard
Syptryn [4d\]: h13 
ClemGo [3k?\]: m7
sdvdsbs: beware of vacuum energy Q16 ("dark energy")
basicpract [-\]: in this game, some compensation for Black losign this ko is one of White's other groups :P
uh [2d\]: d13?
Nobato [6k\]: g15
muvick [2k\]: h15 
hiss [-\]: d12 
Weishenme [4d\]: d12
]
;W[fi]WL[60]OW[4]C[evanj [2d\]: w can't win this
evanj [2d\]: no point in trying
Q161 [?\]: i dont see how that changes the definition of the word
Reaper [8d?\]: remember guys... black has to threaten whites groups that are surrounding
Lilltiger [3d?\]: awsome move
basicpract [-\]: h14 --> e4, and the other groups is basically dead? right syptrryn?
Q161 [?\]: but thx ill be careful
Reaper [8d?\]: m12 stones
Syptryn [4d\]: probably :D
Reaper [8d?\]: if white takes ko and gives up d16 group black could well end up loosing
GiacNgo [2d\]: d13?
leachy [5k\]: maybe w will give up another group to try and kill n16 ?
Reaper [8d?\]: n17 group
Syptryn [4d\]: d13 
Syptryn [4d\]: isn't other group dead?
nonochan [6d\]: Well, Reaper, there is not too much to do anymore in that respect
dchyang [?\]: d13?
sdvdsbs: ignore
Reaper [8d?\]: ya nonochan but white dont wanna end up losing his big group
jozles [2k?\]: what is the pb with n19 ?
]
;B[eh]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[4]C[Reaper [8d?\]: i mean
nonochan [6d\]: No, but some things can't be helped
EpicPhail [3k\]: d16 dies
Reaper [8d?\]: black dont wanna end up losing his big group
monk316 [1k\]: w is not quite alive in many places
]
;B[jf]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[kf]WL[60]OW[4]C[Reaper [8d?\]: meant to say black nonochan
]
;B[oa]BL[60]OB[4]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: g15 is 2 threats at least
Reaper [8d?\]: black dont wanna end up losing n17 group
boobgoober [2k\]: h16
MRSA [7d\]: m7 enough for w?
insp07 [6k\]: b is very strong
Syptryn [4d\]: l19 
phamthoa [6k\]: K12
nonochan [6d\]: B??? - I see. OK, that makes sense
phamthoa [6k\]: oh
phamthoa [6k\]: M13
Reaper [8d?\]: ya i mistaked lol
alexanderp [3k?\]: h16 is one threat
phamthoa [6k\]: so i can't see
Weishenme [4d\]: M18
Syptryn [4d\]: l19 
cugel20k [5d\]: m7
]
;W[lb]WL[60]OW[4]C[Sire [2k\]: h16
evanj [2d\]: h16 is a threat that hurts w
alexanderp [3k?\]: yep, evanj
evanj [2d\]: yep yep
boobgoober [2k\]: how so?
alexanderp [3k?\]: g15 is much better
Verse [3k\]: how can white have enough liberties for this
smartrobot [9d\]: b need be careful here
Weishenme [4d\]: he has
golife [1d\]: to kill e18
]
;B[kb]BL[60]OB[4]C[Q161 [?\]: smartrobot!
]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[4]C[leachy [5k\]: debugging worked
EpicPhail [3k\]: smartrobot what is your opinion?
leachy [5k\]: robot now operational
Q161 [?\]: smartrobot what do you think of ice cream pizza?
yoyoman [1d\]: e14
EpicPhail [3k\]: j18
Weishenme [4d\]: then N19 is a good threat for w
Syptryn [4d\]: e-14 will be ihnored
]
;B[gl]BL[60]OB[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: ignored
smartrobot [9d\]: b is leading
boobgoober [2k\]: j18 wont win ko
smartrobot [9d\]: but
Syptryn [4d\]: ignore?
Verse [3k\]: wow black going big here
smartrobot [9d\]: n19
smartrobot [9d\]: complex
Syptryn [4d\]: white ignore?
golife [1d\]: is this threat?
dchyang [?\]: now b15 group also in danger
Syptryn [4d\]: black no alive either
alexanderp [3k?\]: he played g8 fast...
MRSA [7d\]: f8 only
]
;W[fl]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: !!!
leachy [5k\]: jeez....this is now seriously complicated fight
Athanor [-\]: ?
Syptryn [4d\]: h8 
]
;W[hl]WL[60]OW[4]C[golife [1d\]: j10
]
;B[gm]BL[60]OB[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: g7 
]
;W[hk]WL[60]OW[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: h9 
Syptryn [4d\]: k7 
]
;B[oa]BL[60]OB[4]C[aditsu [5k\]: will this be one of those whole-board sekis? :p
hiss [-\]: b aiming q14 group?
Verse [3k\]: there is no seki aditsu
uh [2d\]: what's black's purpose of making that exchange
uh [2d\]: it seemed kind of harmful
Syptryn [4d\]: m7 
aditsu [5k\]: not currently ^^
Syptryn [4d\]: can white win losing that group?
aloc [4d\]: t10
Reaper [8d?\]: possibly sypt
]
;W[dj]WL[60]OW[4]C[aloc [4d\]: d
schubert [4d\]: yes, we can
Newstyle [4k\]: g15 enough to threat?
Reaper [8d?\]: depends how the game plays out afterwards
]
;B[cj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: if white captures l9 group
Syptryn [4d\]: for core
Syptryn [4d\]: corner
Syptryn [4d\]: white still has chance
]
;B[ip]BL[60]OB[4]C[smartrobot [9d\]: b play with fire
Reaper [8d?\]: lol
Q161 [?\]: lol
sdvdsbs: omg
golife [1d\]: g15 is not good threat..w wants to kill big b group..
smartrobot [9d\]: n19
Shinichi56 [-\]: a pro would never play like this agaisnt amateur
Syptryn [4d\]: r18 
uh [2d\]: this seems like an ok place to ignore
]
;W[qb]WL[60]OW[4]C[cheater [7d\]: n19
hiss [-\]: b has to live
]
;B[ib]BL[60]OB[4]C[dchyang [?\]: oh no, let's see what b can do
aditsu [5k\]: nah, killing is enough
sdvdsbs: hmm who's the pro and who's the ama here
josek [8k\]: so j4 was bad?
cheater [7d\]: B lives :(
uh [2d\]: n19 does seem more interesting than taking the ko
dchyang [?\]: i think b is still better
nhanh [1d\]: everyone wants w to win
Q161 [?\]: i dont
kowalli [7k\]: nope
Sire [2k\]: live in gote
hiss [-\]: so, b still leading?
]
;W[io]WL[60]OW[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: j5 
dchyang [?\]: i think so
Syptryn [4d\]: w00t
smartrobot [9d\]: w missed a good chance
Syptryn [4d\]: I win!
minismurf [-\]: what chance?
Syptryn [4d\]: j6 
Shinichi56 [-\]: to kill b
]
;B[hp]BL[60]OB[4]C[leachy [5k\]: w n19 b h19 , no?
nhanh [1d\]: if this lives b wins for sure
]
;W[jn]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ef]BL[60]OB[4]C[Syptryn [4d\]: no way it can die
Athanor [-\]: center can be big too...
aditsu [5k\]: heh.. it just occurred to me why b's username is breakfast
CounterATK [4k\]: haha, if Mysterious play with breakfast, i make sure Breakfast will hard to smile at all :))
sdvdsbs: what?
mkeller [10k\]: that's not a sentence
]
;W[ha]WL[60]OW[4]C[eatramen [16k\]: be nice
uh [2d\]: wow n19 really would have made things complicated
]
;B[la]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ba]WL[60]OW[4]C[cloudo [3k\]: the outcome of this match was clear from the beginning
]
;B[aa]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[da]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ac]WL[60]OW[4]C[IvanD [4d\]: gote
evanj [2d\]: so... why is b's username breakfast
hiss [-\]: g5 works?
Reaper [8d?\]: he likes the mornings?
Msha [5k\]: bcoz he's Dinnerchtein
BFRoss [10k?\]: O MY GOD an open game with breakfast!!! WOOOO!! *gets popcorn*
leachy [5k\]: i guess he eats you for b'fast
aditsu [5k\]: his real name sounds like dinner
eatramen [16k\]: i did almost the same thing fross 
eatramen [16k\]: lol
Msha [5k\]: Dinerchtein*
Reaper [8d?\]: why does everyone freak out when a pro plays....
evanj [2d\]: i'm not at all convinced that that's the reason
drizzter [2k\]: no he break fast
erna [7k\]: wouldn't be reasonable to give w 2 handis from the start?
Reaper [8d?\]: i hope they know 6d are strong enough to be 1p
eatramen [16k\]: cuz they're pros :P
]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[4]C[aditsu [5k\]: well, it's quite plausible
leachy [5k\]: neither me, evanj
nonochan [6d\]: It's not true, Reaper
SoloWay [2k\]: i like more himountain games =)
evanj [2d\]: it's also plausible that he likes pancakes
uh [2d\]: 6d strong enough to be 1p? what do you mean
Reaper [8d?\]: yes it is nonochan
AirForce61 [5d\]: he breaks you down very fast :P
iaznab [2k\]: 6d in real life
hiss [-\]: g5 works...
iaznab [2k\]: not 6d on kgs
Reaper [8d?\]: im only 6dan on kgs
Q161 [?\]: reaper thats prolly the dumbest thing ive heard an 8d? say
Q161 [?\]: ever
eatramen [16k\]: i heard 7d is most times equal to 1p 
Reaper [8d?\]: and ive played a couple 2p in real
Reaper [8d?\]: and won
Reaper [8d?\]: evenly
eatramen [16k\]: like real 7d not online 7d
nonochan [6d\]: Yes, I suspected that you were gonna say that
uh [2d\]: not believable reaper
Reaper [8d?\]: why wouldnt i?
Syptryn [4d\]: is they're Japanese 2p
smartrobot [9d\]: really? reaper?
Targund [-\]: Ilya is 7d EGR, but he is not a pro...
Syptryn [4d\]: its believable :P
Q161 [?\]: reaper if checked any tournament results
alicate [-\]: everyone holds a chance against everyone
uh [2d\]: even smartrobot is surprised lol
Q161 [?\]: you would see your theory is dumb
cheater [7d\]: No way Reaper!
Reaper [8d?\]: yea smartrobot echoli for example
golife [1d\]: this is very flexible pro move...w will resign
Reaper [8d?\]: hes 6d too 
nonochan [6d\]: Ilya beats pros regularly, but not in Korea
undakada [1d?\]: almost all of you people act like total retards
alexanderp [3k?\]: If smartrobot will play Reaper....
cloudo [3k\]: 1p is the best of the bes
cloudo [3k\]: t
alexanderp [3k?\]: well, we'll see!
Reaper [8d?\]: no not korean pros nonochan
dchyang [?\]: b wins if he can secure his right lower corner
smartrobot [9d\]: echoli is not a strong pro
Reaper [8d?\]: korean pros are above 6d lvl even there 1p are
Syptryn [4d\]: but can beat Jap Pros :P
Reaper [8d?\]: dont matter smartrobot
uh [2d\]: korean 1p is 9d kgs
Reaper [8d?\]: hes still a pro
explicit [3k?\]: "Those who speak do not know, and those who know do not speak." Be careful, undakada
Totti10 [3k\]: as an actual retard i take offense to that
nonochan [6d\]: There is a big difference between pros from different countries and different age.
]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[3]C[qrqr [1d\]: reaper just trolling plz
marvellous [4k\]: 9d KGS often can beat pros
Q161 [?\]: 9d kgs sometimes are pros
Reaper [8d?\]: how am i trolling i only braught up what everyone else was talking about qrqr
Cephei [6k\]: h16
Reaper [8d?\]: andsomeone who calls someone else a troll is a troll
]
;B[eo]BL[60]OB[4]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: I'd say pros like smartrobot will give 3 stones to Reaper and maybe Reaper wants exactly that, setting the price for match:)
Syptryn [4d\]: nice move
hiss [-\]: I think it's really hard to beat strong pro...
Totti10 [3k\]: reaper play smart and get it over with
iaznab [2k\]: Reaper, I would like to see you beat a pro in a serious game
]
;W[fp]WL[60]OW[3]C[iaznab [2k\]: to be honest
cheater [7d\]: talk about game
smartrobot [9d\]: i dont think a 6d on kgs can beat 1p unless 1p make stupid mistake
]
;B[fn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[3]C[Robotics [2k\]: word
Reaper [8d?\]: smartrobot is tooo strong i told you im only 6d
N4KED [1d\]: agreed
marvellous [4k\]: Why is everyone convinced that Reaper couldn't beat a pro?
Q161 [?\]: maybe several stupid mistakes
]
;B[gn]BL[60]OB[4]C[Q161 [?\]: 1 may not be enough
N4KED [1d\]: 6dan kgs is super weak
Reaper [8d?\]: because i talked marvellous
Racaille [1d\]: a 9d is kibbitzing ?!!!!!!!!!!!
Syptryn [4d\]: whie needs to defend corner
hiss [-\]: 6ds are weak
Racaille [1d\]: my god
marvellous [4k\]: Also, KGS has that 6d who beat two 9ps in succession
smartrobot [9d\]: i'm only 2p
marvellous [4k\]: In a tournament
Racaille [1d\]: what a shock
]
;W[dn]WL[60]OW[3]C[nonochan [6d\]: Reaper, how old are you?
smartrobot [9d\]: not a strong pro
]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[4]C[Reaper [8d?\]: i know that smartrobot but not every pro is weak and not everyone is strong
Plaxonius [4k\]: I beat a pro once taking a lot of handicap stones
N4KED [1d\]: but weak 9ps
Totti10 [3k\]: 2p on paper number 1 in our hearts
nonochan [6d\]: 2p could be strong 
Racaille [1d\]: "only" 2p  >>
Q161 [?\]: smartrobot is strong like ox
Reaper [8d?\]: ya leesedol was strong even when he was 1p
]
;W[lm]WL[60]OW[3]C[marvellous [4k\]: But KGS 6d can beat pro, is my point
Syptryn [4d\]: ???
N4KED [1d\]: 9p doesnt indicate strength....rather amount of wins
Syptryn [4d\]: c3 
Reaper [8d?\]: yes kgs 6d can beat a pro
sdvdsbs: 2p in china or korea different to 2p in japan/taiwan
Targund [-\]: any new korean 1p is very strong
Reaper [8d?\]: even in a serious game
boouh [4d\]: kgs6d? what a joke
daladim [1d\]: old story but aguilar has beaten pros too and he s 6d kgs
Q161 [?\]: n4ked that depends which country
Syptryn [4d\]: time to fight!
eatramen [16k\]: 1p can even equal 9p so sometimes rank is irrelevant, so why argue
basicpract [-\]: Beating a Pro is not the same as being strong enough to be a pro :)
leachy [5k\]: ranks that aren't ELO rating based mean little
Reaper [8d?\]: actually aguilar is not 6d
uh [2d\]: a sandbagging kgs 6d can beat a pro i'd agree there
marvellous [4k\]: I can't thing what he was called
boouh [4d\]: 6d is far far away
evanj [2d\]: here's a bulletin: NOBODY CARES
nonochan [6d\]: 6d on KGS cannot beat a pro more than 1 in a hundred games
Racaille [1d\]: well guys   is this really that important  ?
Reaper [8d?\]: or as far as i beleive aguilar can be above 6d
]
;B[bq]BL[60]OB[4]C[Demonsuji [2d\]: yes, KGS 6d can beat a pro, it's possible.  But KGS 6d reaper can't beat pro
marvellous [4k\]: Aguilar did it twice in a row
Reaper [8d?\]: its about go so yes racaille
sryamh: smartrobot, you are my hero!
N4KED [1d\]: yeah aguilar is strong but he beat weak pro players
nonochan [6d\]: Aguilar is usually 7d
]
;W[ap]WL[60]OW[3]C[basicpract [-\]: hey look, I game is going on!!
Reaper [8d?\]: yes kgs 6d can beat pro
Syptryn [4d\]: ?
Syptryn [4d\]: white crazy?
salatunnus [2d\]: aguilar is not as strong as he used to be, he is strong but was stronger
Reaper [8d?\]: otherwise i wouldnt be 6d
Syptryn [4d\]: white gonna die...
nonochan [6d\]: Nowadays he is 6d
wingnoll [10k\]: b3 pro move
N4KED [1d\]: aguilar is not a normal 6 dan
evanj [2d\]: b3 obvious move
evanj [2d\]: ok, maybe a dan move
eatramen [16k\]: such a good game is going on and u guys choose to talk about this
eatramen [16k\]: lol
N4KED [1d\]: I am talking about the blitzers
Robotics [2k\]: i think there is a game going...
BFRoss [10k?\]: i think anyone can beat a dan player because KGS has a crap rank system :P
boborjan [3k\]: once i saw someone who could beat a 6d origami master.
it [-\]: please move that topic to the 'nonsense rating discussion room' and come back to the game
F525 [12k\]: What now? D2?
marvellous [4k\]: Also, Rapyuta was 8d and I imagine he could certainly have beaten his share of pros.
Racaille [1d\]: but breakfast can not be really considered as a pro  right ?  he didn't even pass the exam  >>
wingnoll [10k\]: a4 is pro move
nonochan [6d\]: c3 c4 e2 
]
;B[ml]BL[60]OB[4]C[Arhiman [1k\]: I love admin sarcasm
nonochan [6d\]: B should be dead
sdvdsbs: raca, he is officially a pro
leachy [5k\]: wow there's a 'nonsense rating discussion room'?
ClemGo [3k?\]: right racaille
evanj [2d\]: there should be
Robotics [2k\]: its not sarcasm
marvellous [4k\]: Breakfast has pro username
wingnoll [10k\]:  n8 is pro move
eatramen [16k\]: funny name for a room
iaznab [2k\]: Racaille, breakfast is very strong
aditsu [5k\]: high dans can be trolls too :)
eatramen [16k\]: he didnt pass the exam?
Totti10 [3k\]: w is well ahead here
Reaper [8d?\]: breakfast didnt pass the exam?
Totti10 [3k\]: no
sdvdsbs: nope
]
;W[mm]WL[60]OW[3]C[BFRoss [10k?\]: then how is he a pro dan??? :O
Reaper [8d?\]: howed he get his pro rank then??
jasch [1d\]: wingnoll : the is no scuh thing like pro move
Racaille [1d\]: well he received the pro certificate  but i'm not sure he passed the exam
nonochan [6d\]: For some reason I want to play p8 but I guess the sensible move is m8 
]
;B[nl]BL[60]OB[4]C[Totti10 [3k\]: hes an honorary pro
nonochan [6d\]: n7 makes B stronger
wingnoll [10k\]: jasch, o8 was a pro move
b8matt [4k\]: alex d is really strong
aakatsuki: this is" honorific" pro
]
;W[nm]WL[60]OW[3]C[nhanh [1d\]: is the pro exam very hard? what does it include?
seikenguy [1k\]: Breakfast honorary 3p.
marvellous [4k\]: What did he do to deserve honorary pro?
jwc [-\]: what if b d19?
jasch [1d\]: no it was not
aakatsuki: "european" pro
Reaper [8d?\]: depends which test you take nhanh
BFRoss [10k?\]: ooooo i got ya :D
alexanderp [3k?\]: his 3p is honorary, not his 1p IIRC
Syptryn [4d\]: he was White :D
seikenguy [1k\]: He promoted go in Europe.
nhanh [1d\]: let's say the hardest
wingnoll [10k\]: nhanh, it's similar to the dan watch
sdvdsbs: PR
seikenguy [1k\]: So he got his honorary pro rank.
]
;B[ol]BL[60]OB[4]C[Newstyle [4k\]: w r11 group is not in danger?
seikenguy [1k\]: For that.
jasch [1d\]: anyone can play this except that pros know how to continue
Robotics [2k\]: looks like b is too far ahead
wingnoll [10k\]: danger of living?
]
;W[ll]WL[60]OW[3]C[aakatsuki: its too hard being pro in korea for a non asiatic player
FangFa [1d\]: this is big
Syptryn [4d\]: there's lots a good go players, but not that many good White go players :P, be white!
leachy [5k\]: yeah i know r11 is being ignored
taisho [1d\]: r7?
nonochan [6d\]: Pls get you facts straight. Breakfast became an honorary pro, but he did beat a 9p in a pro tournament, so he was promoted to a real 3p.
seikenguy [1k\]: He just wasn't strong enough, aakatsuki, that's all/.
evanj [2d\]: facts, schmacts
Kirby [-\]: no, he was promoted to 3p because of promoting go in the west
dchyang [?\]: s0?
]
;B[np]BL[60]OB[4]C[seikenguy [1k\]: His 3 p is NOT real.
dchyang [?\]: s10
evanj [2d\]: s0 :D
Racaille [1d\]: hikaru  beat several 9p being 1p  not just one
daladim [1d\]: s0 xD
Kirby [-\]: he and redrose became 3p at the same time
Kirby [-\]: for the same reason
seikenguy [1k\]: And lately Lee Chang Ho lost to an insei so?
jasch [1d\]: caCAN U STOP THIS PRO OR NOT DISCUSSION?
evanj [2d\]: no
golife [1d\]: d11
]
;W[qq]WL[60]OW[3]C[Reaper [8d?\]: what was the reason
evanj [2d\]: it cannot be stopped
Targund [-\]: Korean Baduk Assocoation is not thinki so, seikenguy)
evanj [2d\]: it is like a tsunami
alicate [-\]: really?
Syptryn [4d\]: !!!!
sdvdsbs: wow r3
alicate [-\]: lee chang ho lost to an insei?
linodage [1k\]: fantasy land
Racaille [1d\]: probe
Totti10 [3k\]: tsunamis can be stopped...
Kirby [-\]: the reason is what i said: promoting go in the west
]
;B[qp]BL[60]OB[4]C[Robotics [2k\]: seriously, is there any hope for white?
seikenguy [1k\]: Google it alicate
mooooo [6k\]: breakfast one of the strongest player from europe thats all
Newstyle [4k\]: w have a chance to live with r3 ?
golife [1d\]: q1
nonochan [6d\]: q2 r2 p3 
iaznab [2k\]: this stupid discussion takes place in every breakfast game, it's dumb
wingnoll [10k\]: r3 was anti-pro move countered by pro r4 move
]
;W[pr]WL[60]OW[3]C[alicate [-\]: thats awesome
seikenguy [1k\]: You can even see the game online.
nhanh [1d\]: so can someone tell what the test consists of?
Smorchok [2d?\]: Breakfast beat O'Rissey once
hiss [-\]: I think B+3,5
Syptryn [4d\]: white gets big yose like this
]
;B[qr]BL[60]OB[4]C[alicate [-\]: lee changho is my hero
Smorchok [2d?\]: O'Rissey 9p
wingnoll [10k\]: r2 another pro move
evanj [2d\]: seamus o'rissey 10k?
aakatsuki: he could play without the 3p  
A1R [4k\]: he lost to a 15yrs old boy...min ....
Racaille [1d\]: leechangho  no match for shusaku
iaznab [2k\]: lol evanj
BboyLucky [2k\]: p3
golife [1d\]: p3 s3  o2
Hangovers [2k\]: breakfast won 5 out of 9 in egc 2010
daladim [1d\]: every move is kibitzed since move 153
]
;W[oq]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[rq]BL[60]OB[4]C[choice [3d\]: W won
Totti10 [3k\]: w wins
Kirby [-\]: nobody's paying attention to the moves anymore
]
;W[nq]WL[60]OW[3]C[drchaos [4k\]: kblitz won
evanj [2d\]: by which you mean people have been arguing about dinerchtein's rank continuously at a rate faster than the pace of play
]
;B[ba]BL[60]OB[4]C[SoloWay [2k\]: did breakfast ever played kghin? i'd like to see it
leachy [5k\]: w has done really well considering his position from like move 40 considering all those weak groups  now seem fairly secure
Reaper [8d?\]: lol
uh [2d\]: b16?
evanj [2d\]: seems like b can live in the lower left whenever he wants
nonochan [6d\]: hangovers, Breakfast is in a slump this year
krikri [1k\]: yeah its dump most of us me included will beat in 7 stones during his breakfest :D
Racaille [1d\]: how old is dinerchtein by the way ?
jwc [-\]: no kibitz on move 172
prysm [9k\]: 547 obs, i guess someone at least is paying attention to the gale :)
nonochan [6d\]: about 30
Racaille [1d\]: i c
sagesse [-\]: hmmm whats going on here? is b dead in upper right?
alexanderp [3k?\]: Alexander got his 1p first becoming a Korean pro, and only then honorary 3p. But what this story teaches us - never get honorary anything, from "Dr" to "3p", because KGS kibitzers are merciless.
jwc [-\]: b16
daladim [1d\]: arf jwc
Mikki62 [2k\]: b16?
daladim [1d\]: ^^
evanj [2d\]: no sagesse, he has two eyes
hiss [-\]: corner dead?
leachy [5k\]: what
]
;W[df]WL[60]OW[2]C[evanj [2d\]: eye at m17, eye at l19
]
;B[ir]BL[60]OB[4]C[aakatsuki: Hi, I am Alexander Dinerchtein, 3-dan pro from Korea, 7-time European Champion... :( this must lead to a pro ranking discussion for sure
iaznab [2k\]: b looks like he's toying with w
jwc [-\]: u just iin time dal
OohAah [7d\]: " Alexander got his 1p first becoming a Korean pro,"
Robotics [2k\]: oh god i dont care
golife [1d\]: o3 was good? it would o2 ı think.
OohAah [7d\]: this is not true
Totti10 [3k\]: b d5
wingnoll [10k\]: j2 pro yose
krikri [1k\]: i dont remeber flash back beat dinner or catalin in real tournament
TWahl [2k\]: e15 is gote for both, despite being big
Plaxonius [4k\]: j2 threatens the corner ?
Racaille [1d\]: hey  isn't w ahead  a little bit ?
Totti10 [3k\]: yep
N4KED [1d\]: supposably catalin really won a tournament
]
;W[jq]WL[60]OW[2]C[Syptryn [4d\]: e-15 not gote for black...
Athanor [-\]: yeah
]
;B[cq]BL[60]OB[4]C[jasch [1d\]: w behind 
salatunnus [2d\]: krikri it's hard to beat yourself in a tournament
]
;W[cp]WL[60]OW[2]C[chaotica [5k\]: how is w ahead... b seems to have more territory
alexanderp [3k?\]: OohAah, how so?
aakatsuki: oohaah, he really played with all korean inseis and got 1p??? like the other korean inseis?¿¿?
jasch [1d\]: b a lot good endgame moves left
OohAah [7d\]: no
hiss [-\]: ko in corner?
salatunnus [2d\]: oh wait nvm
OohAah [7d\]: it was honarary all the way
darsh [9k\]: e2 f2 a3 ?
toop [1k\]: e2?
seikenguy [1k\]: What I said >_>
Syptryn [4d\]: mmm
nhanh [1d\]: f2?
TWahl [2k\]: e15 is sente-gote for black (needs b15 to kill)
seikenguy [1k\]: His rank is ALL honorary
Newstyle [4k\]: b t14 is big?
Syptryn [4d\]: if black gets H2
leachy [5k\]: what's going on his all w weak groups managed to survive the onslaught so: opening: b middle: mostly w. now oyose decides and breakfast has impeccable technique in that part of the game
Athanor [-\]: for promoting go in Europe
Syptryn [4d\]: it would be a ko
alexanderp [3k?\]: OohAah, Alex said it to you personally? Well, then I have nothing to say.
Syptryn [4d\]: but E-1 isn't sente
Syptryn [4d\]: yet for black
Syptryn [4d\]: so no ko
]
;B[er]BL[60]OB[3]C[Syptryn [4d\]: errr
Syptryn [4d\]: now I'm lose
Syptryn [4d\]: I expected D-2
]
;W[fr]WL[60]OW[2]C[Syptryn [4d\]: lose = lost
OohAah [7d\]: this is common knowledge (gossip?) to anyone whose ever been active in the go world alexp
uh [2d\]: isn't there a ko here?
Syptryn [4d\]: this surely doesn't work
OohAah [7d\]: european one at least =X
hiss [-\]: no, no ko
wingnoll [10k\]: yose=win
uh [2d\]: if black d3?
Racaille [1d\]: E3
alexanderp [3k?\]: gossip, I see.
aditsu [5k\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dinerchtein#Becoming_professional
Kirby [-\]: haha
FangFa [1d\]: E3 doesn't chance anything
FangFa [1d\]: this dies
hiss [-\]: e3 not good
Syptryn [4d\]: d3 e3 d2 b2 e6 e4 g2 ?
Syptryn [4d\]: for yose?
Syptryn [4d\]: white has too fill in all liberty
hiss [-\]: e3 e4 d3 d1 e1 b2 a2 c2 
jwc [-\]: l2
Fietsbel [3d\]: f2 for b was better i think
Syptryn [4d\]: I woulda played f-2 personally
leachy [5k\]: yeah i learnt that with d4 c5 f3 stones that the b3 move doesn't make life if w has f5 at least so this can't possibly work
golife [1d\]: b2
OohAah [7d\]: i think black can get at least a ko now..
calme [-\]: e3,e4,b1 maybe
uh [2d\]: i'm pretty sure d3 does something
Syptryn [4d\]: really?
golife [1d\]: or d2
Syptryn [4d\]: how?
drizzter [2k\]: a14 can be intresting or not for black
Syptryn [4d\]: e3 e4 d3 d1 e1 a3 
dchyang [?\]: any ko?
jasch [1d\]: a3?
golife [1d\]: d2
Syptryn [4d\]: black is dead
OohAah [7d\]: e3 e4 d3 
Syptryn [4d\]: as far as I can till
uh [2d\]: sypt what is e3 for who?
corwey: e4 now ?
]
;B[dq]BL[60]OB[2]C[CGBSpender [4d?\]: KGS, kibbitz, gossips and supporters ?
alicate [-\]: d3 has sente
alicate [-\]: for b
]
;W[eq]WL[60]OW[2]C[uh [2d\]: if white e3 then black will play e1
OohAah [7d\]: e1 
golife [1d\]: e6
Syptryn [4d\]: e3 e4 d3 is not ko...
Syptryn [4d\]: but
Verse [3k\]: e6 looks fun
Syptryn [4d\]: this way
Syptryn [4d\]: its huge liberty fight
AirForce61 [5d\]: e1 b1 ?
alicate [-\]: d1?
golife [1d\]: c2
uh [2d\]: it's not a lib fight it's a ko fight
Athanor [-\]: b2?
hiss [-\]: maybe at least semidori?
Athanor [-\]: would be ko..
Syptryn [4d\]: zzz, what ko
Nobato [6k\]: seki ??? 
leachy [5k\]: c'mon oohahh you know that doesn't work
aditsu [5k\]: e1 a3?
jwc [-\]: f1?
nonochan [6d\]:  don't see a ko
Syptryn [4d\]: this shape has no ko
MeatHead [-\]: what does 3p mean?
krikri [1k\]: forcing w to capture is big too no?
Syptryn [4d\]: its liberty fight
Syptryn [4d\]: forcing white to capturw
Racaille [1d\]: this ko is just aji 
golife [1d\]: c2
]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[1]C[Totti10 [3k\]: you dont want to know
nhanh [1d\]: here it is
Syptryn [4d\]: err
marvellous [4k\]: I'm not sure anyone anticipated that...
alicate [-\]: ._.
]
;W[gs]WL[60]OW[2]C[jwc [-\]: ^^
]
;B[ds]BL[60]OB[1]C[nonochan [6d\]: ko
aditsu [5k\]: I'm sure
Syptryn [4d\]: d1 
Leartes [2k\]: lol - who said no ko`?
Syptryn [4d\]: fine ko
]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]C[Syptryn [4d\]: lol
OohAah [7d\]: thats a pretty shitty ko tho..
nonochan [6d\]: hahaha, very smart
Syptryn [4d\]: ya
OohAah [7d\]: black couldve done better, im positive
drizzter [2k\]: I see a14 for black but not sure
hiss [-\]: no ko... no ko...
nhanh [1d\]: bad ko for b
leachy [5k\]: why is it even ko?
]
;B[ee]BL[60]OB[1]C[BFRoss [10k?\]: hehehe
hiss [-\]: but it is ko
nonochan [6d\]: B is either behind or he has a lot of ko threats
mustakaapu [4k\]: there was no ko
Athanor [-\]: isn't i tfree ko anyway?
Syptryn [4d\]: but black has threats
leachy [5k\]: can't w just g2 ?
Targund [-\]: isnt it a "flower ko"?
]
;W[bd]WL[60]OW[2]C[Athanor [-\]: no matter how bad it is if it's free
Totti10 [3k\]: both i think
]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[1]C[uh [2d\]: def not a flower ko
leachy [5k\]: oh nv,
Racaille [1d\]: who r the high dans here who said  it was no ko
calik [10k\]: g15 or A18
Syptryn [4d\]: black j2 gets cut off regardless
Syptryn [4d\]: which is huge
Syptryn [4d\]: so black isn't gaining much
Kirby [-\]: 4d isn't high dan
]
;W[ia]WL[60]OW[2]C[Syptryn [4d\]: I prefer forcing white to take all liberty
bluelover [3k\]: Racaille, it doesn't matter at all
alexanderp [3k?\]: smartrobot, have you ever played with breakfast, may I ask?
]
;B[ja]BL[60]OB[1]C[Racaille [1d\]: true
]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]C[ReXXuS [6k\]: I love SE 
aditsu [5k\]: I sometimes play with my food
smartrobot [9d\]: never
Msha [5k\]: d15
phamthoa [6k\]: D15?
nhanh [1d\]: c15
]
;B[hm]BL[60]OB[1]C[nhanh [1d\]: n9 also big
ReXXuS [6k\]: can't they fix SE?
boobgoober [2k\]: c15 will make seki right
corwey: c15 lead to seki seems to be a better threat
Mikki62 [2k\]: c15 makes seki?
seikenguy [1k\]: I wanna see bloodarena vs diner =)
alicate [-\]: h7 biggest threat ever
JachUGAN [9k?\]: SE is always drunk =)
evanj [2d\]: SE is perfect
ReXXuS [6k\]: x)
Syptryn [4d\]: ignore?
Athanor [-\]: c15 seki is gote
evanj [2d\]: seki isn't a threat at all
smartrobot [9d\]: too small
Syptryn [4d\]: doesn't seem that big
seikenguy [1k\]: Bloodarena will use kill all tesuji =)
WhoKnows [9k\]: lol SE
evanj [2d\]: 3 points gote or so
bistrogo [2d\]: tenuki!!!!!!
FangFa [1d\]: Take ?
okiosnel [2k\]: better se would just take up server cpu
alicate [-\]: too small?
]
;W[im]WL[60]OW[2]C[alicate [-\]: lol
nhanh [1d\]: SE is a kibitzer
smartrobot [9d\]: only for 5 points
]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[1]C[leachy [5k\]: onmyoji is in perfect health
corwey: c15 and a15 are 2 good sente threats
]
;W[ic]WL[60]OW[2]C[jasch [1d\]: uui
corwey: b15 seki is for later
AirForce61 [5d\]: i agree with se :P
Racaille [1d\]: can't ignore
ReXXuS [6k\]: Dear... W+261,5 x)
okiosnel [2k\]: double ko? ^^
]
;B[jb]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]C[nhanh [1d\]: where?
golife [1d\]: a15 for sei
Athanor [-\]: nowhere
golife [1d\]: not b15
Syptryn [4d\]: a-15 very damaging ko
okiosnel [2k\]: yeh, no where :D
Syptryn [4d\]: not worth it
EpicPhail [3k\]: m92
Msha [5k\]: m9
Athanor [-\]: a15 or c15, then the other, then b15 and seki in gote
nocturne19 [1k\]: wa
nocturne19 [1k\]: 262
nhanh [1d\]: m9
nonochan [6d\]: W can play g15 h15 f15 h16 h16 e13 to prevent a seki
Syptryn [4d\]: n9 
]
;B[lk]BL[60]OB[1]C[yuiiyi: n2
]
;W[mk]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ma]WL[60]OW[2]C[timc [2k\]: M9 should be 2 or 3 threats
boobgoober [2k\]: h2?
]
;B[lc]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]C[Syptryn [4d\]: o9 
nonochan [6d\]: he can play those moves as ko threats (g15 and f15 
EpicPhail [3k\]: n10
nickwild [3k\]: k12
]
;B[nk]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[mj]WL[60]OW[2]C[smartrobot [9d\]: maybe w will win
]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: n-10 too damaging
monk316 [1k\]: w is running out of ko threats
golife [1d\]: b b15 w c15..how is seki?
Racaille [1d\]: nono  u wrote "h16"  2 times
]
;W[di]WL[60]OW[2]C[smartrobot [9d\]: om no
nhanh [1d\]: w has many big threats
BFRoss [10k?\]: man Alexandre is comeing too close to runing out of time that is NOT the way this needs to end lol
]
;B[dh]BL[60]OB[1]C[nonochan [6d\]: d11 is a bad move
]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]C[Athanor [-\]: w f15 still a threat
nonochan [6d\]: it ruins all the aji
krikri [1k\]: hmm why i thought its good
]
;B[lr]BL[60]OB[1]C[Athanor [-\]: there was not much aji
dchyang [?\]: this is a heavy ko for b too
nhanh [1d\]: take
Plaxonius [4k\]: o2 is too big
Msha [5k\]: BFRoss he's not out of time
nhanh [1d\]: why is c15 bad threat?
hiss [-\]: I wonder if they are going to end this mess with 0,5 score
nonochan [6d\]: o2 p2 n3 is what B's is threatining
uh [2d\]: how about just n3?
Athanor [-\]: o2 n2 n1 n3 p2 more like
]
;W[dr]WL[60]OW[2]C[doremonbeo [11k\]: a15 ?
Laki91 [6d\]: n3 
Athanor [-\]: too small
]
;B[jr]BL[60]OB[1]C[nonochan [6d\]: Yes, of course athanor
smartrobot [9d\]: c7
uh [2d\]: wow
dchyang [?\]: k2 nice
Athanor [-\]: prefer n2 then
]
;W[mr]WL[60]OW[2]C[nhanh [1d\]: this is so small
nonochan [6d\]: of couirse, athanor
smartrobot [9d\]: n2, h2, c7
Athanor [-\]: =)
Athanor [-\]: nono, play after this game?
katil [1k\]: s10 gigantic
nonochan [6d\]: no
Athanor [-\]: >.>
smartrobot [9d\]: w win..
nonochan [6d\]: not with you anyway
uh [2d\]: wow i'm surprised black went like this
hahaha [3d?\]: flah back beating pro is possible
]
;B[iq]BL[60]OB[1]C[dchyang [?\]: actually k2 not so good
Athanor [-\]: you could have taught me some kibitz...
OohAah [7d\]: c7 now
FangFa [1d\]: s10 
sdvdsbs: so after 200 moves, everybody teaches my conclusion that w stronger?
nhanh [1d\]: dont understand b
krikri [1k\]: flashback already beat european pro 
Altist [1d\]: breakfast is false pro anyway
Syptryn [4d\]: s10 
golife [1d\]: b11
chmol [4d\]: well, flashback beating honorary pro is possible ^^
nhanh [1d\]: he definitely has bigger threat
nhanh [1d\]: s
hahaha [3d?\]: false pro?
Athanor [-\]: flashback is STRONG
]
;W[om]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pm]BL[60]OB[1]C[Msha [5k\]: c7 d5?
]
;W[rj]WL[60]OW[2]C[Altist [1d\]: he failed as an insei that's al
OohAah [7d\]: d8 
jwc [-\]: c7 b7
hahaha [3d?\]: i see
Altist [1d\]: he is honorific pro
smartrobot [9d\]: o
sdvdsbs: i beat w on 4 stones in real life... but that was 4 years ago :)
uh [2d\]: it seems like he didn't see that move
]
;B[rk]BL[60]OB[1]C[dchyang [?\]: anyone counted?
Syptryn [4d\]: black lose
Greck [2d?\]: s10 sente 
smartrobot [9d\]: misread
Racaille [1d\]: sdvdsbs  nobody cares....
Greck [2d?\]: c7 now
teenangst [2d\]: wow
]
;W[dl]WL[60]OW[2]C[Totti10 [3k\]: i care
sdvdsbs: you do, apparently
FangFa [1d\]: T14 or T9 ?
nhanh [1d\]: aua
OohAah [7d\]: ??why not c7?
teenangst [2d\]: hth did b lose this?
]
;B[do]BL[60]OB[1]C[jwc [-\]: c7 d7 b ok
]
;W[cl]WL[60]OW[2]C[Athanor [-\]: d8 huge!
nhanh [1d\]: ??
sdvdsbs: oh man
hiss [-\]: over?
katil [1k\]: resign
nonochan [6d\]: oops
Totti10 [3k\]: oopsy doopsy
Syptryn [4d\]: blacks ko hurt himself
Syptryn [4d\]: he lost sente
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: because teen we all knew you were thinking you were stronger than you were and that you were wrong
Syptryn [4d\]: and get like 4 pts. if you include corner loss
]
;B[en]BL[60]OB[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: s=10 was way larger
CGBSpender [4d?\]: i count white ahead by komi
teenangst [2d\]: shut up 10k
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: :)
hiss [-\]: so, it seems semidori was better
Dioni [2d\]: resign time for b
OohAah [7d\]: b8 kill bigger
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: 10k?
chmol [4d\]: does b8 kill all top?
golife [1d\]: about 20 points difference for b ?
nonochan [6d\]: always count while you are ahead
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: get it right
yoochanan [3k\]: is B ahead?
teenangst [2d\]: b8 
golife [1d\]: yes
dchyang [?\]: e6 sente
Laki91 [6d\]: f15 
nonochan [6d\]: e4 b8 b7 
NotAfraid [3d\]: mistake for b?!
Ceausescu [1k\]: why not b8?
toop [1k\]: w+r
boborjan [3k\]: um...e4 seems important
NotAfraid [3d\]: w can cill
NotAfraid [3d\]: kill
golife [1d\]: noo w ahead..sorry
NotAfraid [3d\]: 2 groups
Weishenme [4d\]: f15
golife [1d\]: with about 20 points
Dioni [2d\]: b9 hard
OohAah [7d\]: srsly, b8 
CGBSpender [4d?\]: not 20, hardly komi if this survives
Reaper [8d?\]: might as well go for it 
OohAah [7d\]: or b9
Newstyle [4k\]: is b8 sente for top group?
EpicPhail [3k\]: e4
nonochan [6d\]: b8 seems possible too
leachy [5k\]: wow, c3 makes itself felt
]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[1]C[vietdung [1k\]: C11
darsh [9k\]: oO
Newstyle [4k\]: yep:)
ReXXuS [6k\]: ...
katil [1k\]: b need a miracle tesuji
smartrobot [9d\]: good game
SoloWay [2k\]: ?
Altist [1d\]: resign?
Idn [1d\]: e4 ?
Laki91 [6d\]: ko
Reaper [8d?\]: black should be dead now
Altist [1d\]: breakfast 7d level 
doremonbeo [11k\]: e10 ?
ReXXuS [6k\]: c12 needs two eyes...
]
;B[ep]BL[60]OB[1]C[sdvdsbs: new rule: four baseless floating groups win
]
;W[fe]WL[60]OW[1]C[FangFa [1d\]: E4 and the rest dies Altist
Msha [5k\]: hoho
Sugosu [5k\]: b11?
Athanor [-\]: i read f15 lived, but now, b should die
Syptryn [4d\]: d9 e9 e8 
Racaille [1d\]: over
Syptryn [4d\]: ko here
Msha [5k\]: g19 makes 1 eye
FangFa [1d\]: where ?
Athanor [-\]: d9 e8
Elendar [1d\]: b can trade
Reaper [8d?\]: why e9 when just e8
Reaper [8d?\]: ya
Reaper [8d?\]: instead of e9 just e8
MalRondon [6k\]: acho que preto se ferrou
]
;B[ge]BL[60]OB[1]C[vietdung [1k\]: dear
Athanor [-\]: no aji, nothing but death
AirForce61 [5d\]: SE was right after all XD
smartrobot [9d\]: ..
teenangst [2d\]: lol
golife [1d\]: they can seki
teenangst [2d\]: no
Reaper [8d?\]: no seki
drizzter [2k\]: ko after d9
OohAah [7d\]: f14 
FangFa [1d\]: how can seki when w is alive everywhere pp
Athanor [-\]: w all alive
Reaper [8d?\]: no theres no ko after d9
boobgoober [2k\]: c2
teenangst [2d\]: no ko
Olof29 [-\]: b11 now ?
Totti10 [3k\]: b dead
corwey: d9 is not a ko
vietdung [1k\]: F14 G18
Zollo [1d\]: b has problem
Reaper [8d?\]: black is plain dead
doremonbeo [11k\]: e9?
Syptryn [4d\]: black can make ko
]
;W[br]WL[60]OW[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: he just needs 1 eye in sente
sdvdsbs: lol
chmol [4d\]: d11 b11 d9  and no ko b dead?
nonochan [6d\]: f14 b9 b11 c11 a9 
Syptryn [4d\]: on left side
]
;B[ao]BL[60]OB[1]C[vietdung [1k\]: B 2 eye
teenangst [2d\]: death in gote xD
lolarn [3k\]: timesuji :)
hiss [-\]: w alive
Syptryn [4d\]: black alive
BFRoss [10k?\]: dead and gone in top left WOO ALEXANDRE!!!
]
;W[cr]WL[60]OW[1]C[Mezzanyne [?\]: woah
]
;B[aq]BL[60]OB[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: or ko
drizzter [2k\]: what gonna play white after d9 
Athanor [-\]: so w lives sente, then kills!
Athanor [-\]: or maybe b dead already?
teenangst [2d\]: d9 e9 e8 c11 
leachy [5k\]: b11 
sdvdsbs: who is the pro here lol
Reaper [8d?\]: white
Reaper [8d?\]: was making life
Reaper [8d?\]: at the bottom
Reaper [8d?\]: since it was in sente
boobgoober [2k\]: b11
Dioni [2d\]: if b live little lost fo w seems.
Syptryn [4d\]: d9 e8 e9 f9 c11 e11 b9 
Syptryn [4d\]: eye in sente
sdvdsbs: orly
N4KED [1d\]: will alex lose his 3p rating?
Syptryn [4d\]: then just make eye
Syptryn [4d\]: top
Msha [5k\]: d9 e9 e8 c11  g19
golife [1d\]: now close game,if black does not die
cheater [7d\]: B11
]
;W[ff]WL[60]OW[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: d9 
smartrobot [9d\]: w dont have enough ko threat..
CGBSpender [4d?\]: white wins without even killing
daladim [1d\]: why not b11
cheater [7d\]: gonna be ko at D9
Shedal [2d\]: well, B looks very dead for me
OohAah [7d\]: yeah
OohAah [7d\]: seems black lives
Syptryn [4d\]: ko
ato [6k\]: h12?
daladim [1d\]: i see
AirForce61 [5d\]: sdvdsbs: no one here is a pro
Syptryn [4d\]: is the kill enough to being black back into game though?
linodage [1k\]: d9 e8
usagi [1d\]: I think breakfast will live to see 4p
Mikki62 [2k\]: wasnt a11 better?
]
;B[dk]BL[60]OB[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: black will lose a bit from this ko
smartrobot [9d\]: but w is still leading..
FangFa [1d\]: Smartroboti s a pro
boobgoober [2k\]: b lives
drizzter [2k\]: ahah like i said d9
golife [1d\]: very big ko..now b has lots of chance..b8 was veryrisky
Plaxonius [4k\]: the seki is gone anyway
phamthoa [6k\]: KO
phamthoa [6k\]: ^^
Syptryn [4d\]: ko time
leachy [5k\]: b8 risky?
usagi [1d\]: 5p, I don't know. 4p, yes, he will be 4p soon
Syptryn [4d\]: W00T!
usagi [1d\]: Just a feeling
twisted [2k\]: c11?
Stefany93 [11k\]: If the jew lose
Syptryn [4d\]: flashback didn't need to b8
drizzter [2k\]: he can liveor  ko or kill h15
Stefany93 [11k\]: I will be very happy
Syptryn [4d\]: he was winning
nonochan [6d\]: c11 b11 e9 
N4KED [1d\]: I think q18 ko was stupid cause then after losing the ko he had to protect his group
]
;W[ek]WL[60]OW[1]C[N4KED [1d\]: what bs
EpicPhail [3k\]: time
CGBSpender [4d?\]: just e8 enough to win ?
Syptryn [4d\]: ko tim!
nonochan [6d\]: or just at e8 
Ibicus [1k\]: c11 b11 e9 too easy for black
NotAfraid [3d\]: why not e8?!?!?!?!?
golife [1d\]: this is not ko
]
;B[ci]BL[60]OB[1]C[CGBSpender [4d?\]: w wants complete crush, hehe
leachy [5k\]: if stefany lose, i will be very happy
Reaper [8d?\]: lol
FangFa [1d\]: problem is that w needs  ko threat : 
]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: no ko
Syptryn [4d\]: black wins!
Diletta [14k\]: :)
Zollo [1d\]: ko
Syptryn [4d\]: well lives
]
;B[bk]BL[60]OB[1]C[CGBSpender [4d?\]: heh
Msha [5k\]: lives
Syptryn [4d\]: is he ahead though?
FangFa [1d\]: T9 now
AirForce61 [5d\]: g19 is an eye
]
;W[sk]WL[60]OW[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: i think they're very close now
]
;B[sl]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[sj]WL[60]OW[1]C[EpicPhail [3k\]: b+70
phamthoa [6k\]: B win
golife [1d\]: :)
]
;B[rm]BL[60]OB[1]C[sdvdsbs: nah that;'s too m,uch
Syptryn [4d\]: close
leachy [5k\]: the lesson of the game: play risky but live - you gain
]
;W[sf]WL[60]OW[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: well, i count both w groups alive
vietdung [1k\]: B+70 ??????????
Mezzanyne [?\]: half of you wanted b to resign ten minutes ago, lol
alexanderp [3k?\]: vietdung, they're joking
Laurelor [10k?\]: the power of SW
honku [1k\]: it is discovered that go is easy if one has two I's
Laurelor [10k?\]: SE*
alexanderp [3k?\]: close...
Laurelor [10k?\]: +70 :P
CGBSpender [4d?\]: 61,5 vs 55
]
;B[eg]BL[60]OB[1]C[mentalista [7d?\]: w still win
Clynch7 [2d?\]: breakfast never win big
nonochan [6d\]: Yes, well W made a mistake on the left
hiss [-\]: W+10
golife [1d\]: w has about 48+komi
]
;W[op]WL[60]OW[1]C[drizzter [2k\]: black with 8.5
nocturne19 [1k\]: i bet on b
]
;B[oo]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[or]WL[60]OW[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: ba idea
Clynch7 [2d?\]: i bet on the pro
golife [1d\]: sorry 60 + komi
Zollo [1d\]: w win 
hahaha [3d?\]: not  pro
Clynch7 [2d?\]: pros usually pull it together
Rakurai [5k\]: Black is ahead by at least 20
CGBSpender [4d?\]: t9 and t14, winning combo
krikri [1k\]: C16 seki?
NotSoBad [1d\]: c15
Clynch7 [2d?\]: in the end
bistrogo [2d\]: w+resign
Olof29 [-\]: c15 now
HisokaH [3d\]: white win
mentalista [7d?\]: doesnt matter what happen,white always win
]
;B[hh]BL[60]OB[1]C[JMS2010 [26k?\]: wow lol 0_0
leachy [5k\]: w ahead by about 20 in fact
NotAfraid [3d\]: pro's ending better
]
;W[hi]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: 3p is comparable to what kind of dan?
golife [1d\]: b has about 52
Clynch7 [2d?\]: coray
Clynch7 [2d?\]: depends
chmol [4d\]: 9d
hahaha [3d?\]: he isnt a pro
Clynch7 [2d?\]: on how strong the 3p is
drchaos [4k\]: :D
BobWhoosta [3k\]: So white D3 wasn't big enough!?!?
chmol [4d\]: breakfast was 9d kgs before, no?
Clynch7 [2d?\]: breakfast is pro indeed
daladim [1d\]: oh come on not this conv again
Verse [3k\]: hmm
hahaha [3d?\]: normally its comparable to 9d
Mandphoria [3d\]: no seki any more.. 
Coray [7k\]: okay :P
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Sorry, E4.
hahaha [3d?\]: no he isnt pro
Kryo [10k\]: b m3 (genious 10k plan :P)
honku [1k\]: his 3p isn't as good as of some young korean who can beat some 9p's
ra4ok [7k\]: b c15
teenangst [2d\]: b is honorary pro out real 6d
anapazapa [2d\]: oh, cool
honku [1k\]: but he is strong
]
;B[qj]BL[60]OB[1]C[anapazapa [2d\]: hello
Verse [3k\]: a15 a14 c15 d15 b15 ?
hiss [-\]: backpast - his old account
chmol [4d\]: well he still had a 8d-9d account on kgs before
]
;W[ri]WL[60]OW[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: old kgs
]
;B[ho]BL[60]OB[1]C[Reaper [8d?\]: 61.5 to 57.0
]
;W[in]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: l3
]
;B[lo]BL[60]OB[1]C[OohAah [7d\]: i also counted white ahead
EpicPhail [3k\]: b+68,5
]
;W[ko]WL[60]OW[1]C[Clynch7 [2d?\]: reaper in favor of ?
honku [1k\]: M2
nocturne19 [1k\]: someone who can beat 9p must be pro
]
;B[lq]BL[60]OB[1]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: B8 seems to be a big mistake.
Racaille [1d\]: ahead by how much ?
IS8d [?\]: w won?
]
;W[mq]WL[60]OW[1]C[Clynch7 [2d?\]: not
Reaper [8d?\]: white 
golife [1d\]: difference is about 15 ı think
Reaper [8d?\]: whites winning
golife [1d\]: b+15
Reaper [8d?\]: 61.5 to 57.0
]
;B[kq]BL[60]OB[1]C[Clynch7 [2d?\]: anyone can beat a 9p
Domgo [2k\]: score estimator is wrong
]
;W[ls]WL[60]OW[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: clynch bet on fake pro?
golife [1d\]: w+15
honku [1k\]: no, Aguilar beat some 9p, and he is not a pro
Clynch7 [2d?\]: why fake pro?
Calis [2d\]: that was an awesome game
hahaha [3d?\]: he failed as pro
Mikki62 [2k\]: c15 is seki?
hahaha [3d?\]: he never passed the test
krikri [1k\]: zeah it is 
Mandphoria [3d\]: not anymore
MeatHead [-\]: Aguilar is cool
Clynch7 [2d?\]: he have a pro rank tho so
]
;B[ln]BL[60]OB[1]C[OohAah [7d\]: c15 seki is big
Clynch7 [2d?\]: ^^
shadowjack [9k\]: not again....
Verse [3k\]: you know even at 9p it's possible to make a mistake, and the quality of your game on any given day depends on everything from how much sleep you've had, to what the weather is outside.
erkkierkki [6k\]: clynch7 why fake 2d?
hahaha [3d?\]: he has pro title
krikri [1k\]: four point in gote
Coray [7k\]: c15 seki
OohAah [7d\]: no verse, it doesnt at all
honku [1k\]: now too many strong young inseis, even some quite strong 9p's wouldn't pass pro exam today
Coray [7k\]: Wow thats really cool, didnt see that
golife [1d\]: w a13 is very big
usagi [1d\]: Anyone who wants to say breakfast isn't a pro had better explain why they recently promoted him to 3p
EpicPhail [3k\]: [9p\] listen to the pros
krikri [1k\]: sorry no gote in sente
Mandphoria [3d\]: A14 is now a threat
hahaha [3d?\]: recently
hahaha [3d?\]: .....
hahaha [3d?\]: not realy
Athanor [-\]: time??
Reaper [8d?\]: i try not to listen to pros lol
honku [1k\]: 'cause he won some games
Coray [7k\]: pros make mistakes too :P
OohAah [7d\]: arg?
Kayres [3k\]: ...
CGBSpender [4d?\]: lol..
EpicPhail [3k\]: omg
hahaha [3d?\]: and he is playing a 7d look at this game
Peantoo [8k?\]: I only listen to god
breakfast [3p\]: ...
golife [1d\]: w will play a13
Syptryn [4d\]: lwhat?
akoetou [-\]: A11
hahaha [3d?\]: seeing or not seeing is a part of go so are mistakes
Reaper [8d?\]: i listen to my dinner
Coray [7k\]: LOL breakfast
bistrogo [2d\]: connection pb
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Timesuji.
Athanor [-\]: add time!!
uh [2d\]: connection?
Coray [7k\]: timesuji xD
Syptryn [4d\]: can't after game is over
hiss [-\]: I want to make only smart mistakes
hahaha [3d?\]: what the
Athanor [-\]: game is NOT over
Reaper [8d?\]: actually oyu can syp
Coray [7k\]: lag
Coray [7k\]: xD
Syptryn [4d\]: really?
Reaper [8d?\]: ya
ReXXuS [6k\]: Today the servers have a hard job...
]
;W[kn]WL[60]OW[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: :D
Coray [7k\]: hahaha
ReXXuS [6k\]: 20:30 start the german ligaue
gfdhff [4k?\]: 601
hahaha [3d?\]: ohh breakfast will loose on time
FangFa [1d\]: C15 ?
Newstyle [4k\]: 606
leachy [5k\]: 600 observers
Syptryn [4d\]: l1 
dchyang [?\]: p11?
Coray [7k\]: c15!!!
nanok [12k?\]: rexxus?
Coray [7k\]: rqawrrr
calme [-\]: 608
]
;B[oi]BL[60]OB[1]C[vietdung [1k\]: W+12.5
Olof29 [-\]: 600 kibitzers
chmol [4d\]: he was promoted 3p because he promoted go in europe..
ReXXuS [6k\]: yeah?
IWantHam [21k\]: they should sell tickets to this event
TheGodofGo [?\]: why not c15?
teenangst [2d\]: i had more
]
;W[oh]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: C15 gargh
hahaha [3d?\]: 608 observers
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Taking sente.
OohAah [7d\]: white is too confident he won
Syptryn [4d\]: c-15 bad
teenangst [2d\]: i had like 650
]
;B[al]BL[60]OB[1]C[Mandphoria [3d\]: C15 won't work now
Reaper [8d?\]: c15 dont work
EpicPhail [3k\]: p6
TheGodofGo [?\]: why not?
Coray [7k\]: huh? how does it not work??
OohAah [7d\]: must a14 now
Athanor [-\]: teenangst, still sure w must resign?
Mandphoria [3d\]: yep
Syptryn [4d\]: besides it hurts black mroe than helps
OohAah [7d\]: ONLY move
ReXXuS [6k\]: nanok?
TheGodofGo [?\]: c15 d15 a15 isee
TheGodofGo [?\]: whats the mistake
]
;W[pp]WL[60]OW[1]C[dchyang [?\]: b lost by losing sente of s10
TheGodofGo [?\]: ?
Coray [7k\]: thats seki
Coray [7k\]: o.o
teenangst [2d\]: well if he wasnt honorary
Coray [7k\]: connect at b15
mFz [3k\]: 7d beat 3p ? lol
nocturne19 [1k\]: maybe 1,5 point 
go1d [4d\]: w wins
]
;B[ce]BL[60]OB[1]C[boobgoober [2k\]: before a8 c15 would have put b's big group in trouble
Reaper [8d?\]: white lost now
]
;W[de]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: lol c15, a15
Clynch7 [2d?\]: seki in gote
]
;B[ae]BL[60]OB[1]C[OohAah [7d\]: come on flashback wtf you doing
]
;W[af]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: seki
]
;B[be]BL[60]OB[1]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Someone said C15 before, but then later said it didn't work.  What changed??
Coray [7k\]: thats alot though
]
;W[qq]WL[60]OW[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: it wasnt the bigest
TheGodofGo [?\]: ahh xD
seikenguy [1k\]: I know flash is strong, but if he beats 3p that just shows 3p's level =) 
Reaper [8d?\]: that black has a8 now
b8matt [4k\]: ...
jantje [1k\]: status of B group changed
hahaha [3d?\]: count the points lost
bistrogo [2d\]: white just loose the game?
flashback [7d\]: sorrz, lost connctuion for a momnt
]
;B[rr]BL[60]OB[1]C[Zollo [1d\]: getting closer
Coray [7k\]: xD
FlyFiteWin [10k?\]: everyone who is talking down on his 3p is just jealous because they arent 3p honorary or not. he has skill. you know you would take the "honorary" 3p if you could
OohAah [7d\]: r5 s4 q6 is very big
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Seikenguy, losing one time doesn't show your level.
]
;W[qo]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[rp]BL[60]OB[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: breakfast is tough only in yose
BobWhoosta [3k\]: 7d can beat 3p every once in awhile.
]
;W[ag]WL[60]OW[1]C[Mandphoria [3d\]: seki worked only because of A8. 
hahaha [3d?\]: now you will see he will catch up
usagi [1d\]: They promoted him for a reason btw
IWantHam [21k\]: i can beat a 3p easy
]
;B[ah]BL[60]OB[1]C[Athanor [-\]: a13 is costy
]
;W[pn]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: lol
leachy [5k\]: omg if you look at flashback's profile it seems he got divorced ;(
MeatHead [-\]: i would take honarary 6k
]
;B[qn]BL[60]OB[1]C[Athanor [-\]: for b
]
;W[on]WL[60]OW[1]C[seikenguy [1k\]: Yea usagi, that reason is promoting go in europe
dchyang [?\]: b7
]
;B[bm]BL[60]OB[1]C[Coray [7k\]: I'm almost 6k darnit
usagi [1d\]: Yeah and he is doing a good job
]
;W[pl]WL[60]OW[1]C[Coray [7k\]: i'm right at the line
IWantHam [21k\]: i would clobber breakfast with a wedge of ham till he couldn't place any pieces
]
;B[qm]BL[60]OB[1]C[Mandphoria [3d\]: but R10 is larger than seki
]
;W[nj]WL[60]OW[1]C[Racaille [1d\]: b's yose better than w's
]
;B[ok]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[cg]WL[60]OW[1]C[Reaper [8d?\]: meh
MeatHead [-\]: you rock Coray
]
;B[bh]BL[60]OB[1]C[Reaper [8d?\]: flashback still win
Coray [7k\]: yeah i know
hahaha [3d?\]: ....
EpicPhail [3k\]: p10
]
;W[hr]WL[60]OW[1]C[Mandphoria [3d\]: R3, I mean
usagi [1d\]: And BTW if b's yose is better than w's doesn't that mean B is stronger in some areas?
Zollo [1d\]: b did very good in end game
Reaper [8d?\]: 60.5 to 50.0
jasch [1d\]: q10 biggest 
cheater [7d\]: this was 1point...
usagi [1d\]: Now your argument that he is playing a 7d is bacfiring against you
Reaper [8d?\]: *52.0
Laurelor [10k?\]: in favor of who reaper?O.o
usagi [1d\]: Since he is stronger in yose :p
]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[1]C[seikenguy [1k\]: Not really, b is supposed to be stronger in every area..
]
;W[ej]WL[60]OW[1]C[dchyang [?\]: a2
usagi [1d\]: That's often not possible
Laurelor [10k?\]: still w?
Reaper [8d?\]: i told you 60.5 to 52.0
Syptryn [4d\]: black was very good in mid game
Novlaire [2d?\]: I always wondered how he managed to get korean 3p, thanks for the explanation.
Laurelor [10k?\]: oh sry ^^
Syptryn [4d\]: he spoilt it by starting ko early I think
Reaper [8d?\]: white has komi so hes going to have .5 right :)?
]
;B[ar]BL[60]OB[1]C[HisokaH [3d\]: white still win
Laurelor [10k?\]: yy
]
;W[kp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[kr]BL[60]OB[1]C[Laurelor [10k?\]: just a bit distracted on that :P
Laurelor [10k?\]: sorry ç_ç
Reaper [8d?\]: so white win this game for sure
]
;W[pj]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pk]BL[60]OB[1]C[Dioni [2d\]: think w ahead for komi
]
;W[pi]WL[60]OW[1]C[Reaper [8d?\]: i said score :S
teenangst [2d\]: s19 
golife [1d\]: b+9,5
Syptryn [4d\]: s19 
]
;B[ks]BL[60]OB[1]C[Reaper [8d?\]: maybe not 100% accurate but accurate enough
Mandphoria [3d\]: Q6 was a mistake. should be A7. then Q6
]
;W[ms]WL[60]OW[1]C[dchyang [?\]: s19
Shedal [2d\]: I don't get H2
OohAah [7d\]: h2 pretty big
golife [1d\]: sorry:) w+9,5
hahaha [3d?\]: ..
teenangst [2d\]: h2 for b wuldve been points
Shedal [2d\]: if not HW, B would G2?
dchyang [?\]: give up
]
;B[gq]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[gr]WL[60]OW[1]C[Shedal [2d\]: *H2
]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[1]C[teenangst [2d\]: so w played it
]
;W[os]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[qs]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ra]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ne]BL[60]OB[1]C[Clynch7 [2d?\]: b+ 35
]
;W[ng]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[oe]BL[60]OB[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: o0
Scatter [1d\]: ??
]
;W[of]WL[60]OW[1]C[Reaper [8d?\]: 59.5 to 51.0
EpicPhail [3k\]: my count
Scatter [1d\]: oh SE
Racaille [1d\]: reaper [7d\]=cheater [7d\]?
Scatter [1d\]: B15 is seki
pozdnychev: b1
hahaha [3d?\]: you usin score estimator
]
;B[nc]BL[60]OB[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: lol
Reaper [8d?\]: i played cheater already
Thore [4d\]: w +10,5?
boborjan [3k\]: j1?
Clynch7 [2d?\]: lol
naomichan [6d\]: w win +
hahaha [3d?\]: it wrong
hahaha [3d?\]: clynch
Ceausescu [1k\]: j1
]
;W[ga]WL[60]OW[1]C[usagi [1d\]: how is w winning
Athanor [-\]: b1
erkkierkki [6k\]: fake 2d clynch7 is back
Clynch7 [2d?\]: no shit
Clynch7 [2d?\]: ^^
hahaha [3d?\]: usagi
vietdung [1k\]: resign
]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[bs]WL[60]OW[1]C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: usagi, S13 is dead.
]
;B[hg]BL[60]OB[1]C[daladim [1d\]: lol
sergo [10k\]: w+16,5
]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[1]C[usagi [1d\]: Yeah thats obvious
golife [1d\]: I think w 9,5
naomichan [6d\]: w win +7.5
vietdung [1k\]: W + 19.5
]
;B[pq]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ab]WL[60]OW[1]C[hahaha [3d?\]: w 4,5
]
;B[da]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[qq]WL[60]OW[1]C[Shedal [2d\]: W+6.5
Reaper [8d?\]: 8.5
]
;B[ro]BL[60]OB[1]C[golife [1d\]: :))
daladim [1d\]: xD
]
;W[pq]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nn]BL[60]OB[1]C[thief0923 [1k\]: l6 also a point
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Is flashback a teacher in the Insei League?
Enceladus [-\]: simara is pretty stong
]
;W[mn]WL[60]OW[1]C[usagi [1d\]: So yeah , is it me or are you all hallucinating
]
;B[qo]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[km]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[]BL[60]OB[1]C[Syptryn [4d\]: yes, for lower groups
mooooo [6k\]: b+25.5
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]TW[oa][qa][pb][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][qh][rh][sh][si][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][fk][ik][jk][kk][lk][il][jl][kl][jm][jo][er][nr][cs][ds][fs][ns]TB[ka][lb][md][ai][bi][aj][bj][ak][pl][ql][rl][am][sm][an][dn][rn][sn][co][so][ap][bp][cp][dp][sp][sq][sr][js][rs][ss]C[Reaper [8d?\]: 8.5-9.5
usagi [1d\]: People keep saying w is ahead by 10, im just not seeing it
hahaha [3d?\]: usagi
FraTeoX [1k\]: lol
leachy [5k\]: w by like 17
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Good Game!!!!
Msha [5k\]: gg
Athanor [-\]: Congratz flash!!!!
hahaha [3d?\]: we arent haculinating
EpicPhail [3k\]: pretty amazing game
usagi [1d\]: Hmm
FraTeoX [1k\]: ggw
golife [1d\]: thanks:))
b8matt [4k\]: wow mooooo
Enceladus [-\]: GG
Oops [4d\]: gg
HisokaH [3d\]: big victory
Calis [2d\]: great game
Stefany93 [11k\]: YEAH!
breakfast [3p\]: thx
calme [-\]: lol
sdvdsbs: kewl
Shedal [2d\]: flash is back
Stefany93 [11k\]: Great
daladim [1d\]: simara for president !
Reaper [8d?\]: nice game
Kaizoku3 [1k\]: yes!
N4KED [1d\]: lol
Stefany93 [11k\]: I am so happy!
mooooo [6k\]: i counted the most
Diletta [14k\]: yessssssssssssssssssssssssss
krikri [1k\]: gz píso
teenangst [2d\]: boo~
Stefany93 [11k\]: ihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
b8matt [4k\]: where has bum been?
Stefany93 [11k\]: wow
Stefany93 [11k\]: awesome
daladim [1d\]: xDDDDDDDD
sdvdsbs: pisa promoting marihuana usage
Mikki62 [2k\]: nice game
EpicPhail [3k\]: staefany for the ban
breakfast [3p\]: was such a promising attack ...
Stefany93 [11k\]: sorry 
sdvdsbs: smoke=beat pros
flashback [7d\]: thank you
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