(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[flashback]PB[breakfast]WR[7d]BR[3p]DT[2010-10-20]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[breakfast [3p\]: hi
flashback [7d\]: hi
breakfast [3p\]: have a nice game
flashback [7d\]: have fun !
breakfast [3p\]: http://insei-league.com
]RE[B+3.50]
;B[jj]BL[572.852]
;W[pd]WL[593.942]C[breakfast [3p\]: Syptryn's style :)
]
;B[qf]BL[569.59]C[flashback [7d\]: :)
]
;W[nc]WL[589.531]C[vandrei [9k\]: WOW 7d-3p
Jinni [3k\]: eh
]
;B[of]BL[536.632]C[Gaechka [-\]: тенген ^^
ghjg: not too much difference
Stevenson [-\]: playing in center is not breakfast's style
]
;W[po]WL[569.735]
;B[qc]BL[530.182]
;W[qd]WL[559.29]
;B[pc]BL[525.849]C[ghjg: uh account hacked^^
Stevenson [-\]: p17 is mistake here for w?
]
;W[od]WL[444.165]
;B[rd]BL[523.476]
;W[re]WL[443.027]
;B[rc]BL[519.359]
;W[qe]WL[441.863]
;B[rf]BL[515.13]C[whatisgo [2d\]: maybe its his way to give handi
]
;W[se]WL[427.193]
;B[nb]BL[509.156]
;W[mb]WL[424.658]
;B[ob]BL[507.327]C[Jinni [3k\]: w doesnt need handi
blue88 [2k\]: it's a serious league game, i think. not a teaching game
]
;W[ld]WL[409.606]C[ghjg: u can use unrated games to try sth different is allowed
Targund [-\]: its official EGR game
ghjg: really?
Targund [-\]: yup
ghjg: some tournamentß
ghjg: ?
Targund [-\]: insei-league
]
;B[qm]BL[465.623]C[ghjg: uhoh nice^^
blue88 [2k\]: not answering p14 seems to have been a mistake?
]
;W[pq]WL[381.123]C[Ilidan [5k\]: why flash play first?
Uberdude [4d?\]: not really
Ilidan [5k\]: oh i mean 3p
]
;B[id]BL[433.091]C[chaotica [5k\]: does anyone know about where KGS rank stand w/ respect to professional/amateur rankings?
Jinni [3k\]: what do you mean
]
;W[lf]WL[363.49]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: the professional kgs ranks are professional ranks
Jinni [3k\]: 3k kgs is ama 9d
chaotica [5k\]: like, 8d kgs = ?d pro... 
evanj [3d\]: 3d kgs is ama 10k
CptHook [4k?\]: w could resign right now i think...
Jinni [3k\]: 3d is about 10k
Uberdude [4d?\]: 8d kgs could be ama
Uberdude [4d?\]: or a weak pro
]
;B[cd]BL[374.74]C[Targund [-\]: pro rank is pro rank
Jinni [3k\]: 3k is just really really weak pro
freffenber [1d\]: what is ama ?
]
;W[pg]WL[350.777]C[chaotica [5k\]: amateur
Victim [5d\]: such a weird opening...
]
;B[pf]BL[365.635]C[Ilidan [5k\]: so perhap this 3p still stronger 7d?
Targund [-\]: it cant ba compared with ama ranks, cause its not only strengt measurment
halfadon [2k\]: can we even call it an openning?
Jinni [3k\]: not recently
verysober [?\]: lol you keep telling youself that jinni if it makes you sleep easier
]
;W[pi]WL[325.61]C[verysober [?\]: 3k weak pro
verysober [?\]: lol
Jinni [3k\]: i sleep just fine thank you
Jinni [3k\]: when im verydrunk
verysober [?\]: lol
Trubi: two years gone and every one is still having the same conversation.
]
;B[oh]BL[330.322]C[ghjg: is ther a website for pairings and resilts of insei league?
Targund [-\]: http://insei-league.com
Jinni [3k\]: jinniispro.com
ghjg: thx a lot
whatisgo [2d\]: b looks heavy
]
;W[om]WL[286.904]C[Victim [5d\]: that site sounds like something that would appear first on google...
]
;B[pj]BL[287.578]C[Pottu [2k\]: b overplays all the time
Jinni [3k\]: jinniispro.com was the first google website
]
;W[qj]WL[242.949]C[Victim [5d\]: what did you look up? "loser" ?
]
;B[qk]BL[276.377]C[ghjg: their server sucks
Jinni [3k\]: why would i look up loser
]
;W[oj]WL[228.424]
;B[pk]BL[273.754]
;W[oi]WL[227.163]C[Victim [5d\]: cuz when i looked it up i found ur site
evanj [3d\]: OH SNAP
Nickless [-\]: too many ppl on the website now probably haha : \]
Jinni [3k\]: its the first site for every search
]
;B[ri]BL[240.356]
;W[rh]WL[190.064]
;B[qh]BL[230.975]
;W[qi]WL[187.176]
;B[rj]BL[229.255]
;W[rg]WL[177.987]C[Jinni [3k\]: w gonna win
zhou901108 [3d\]: decision time
CptHook [4k?\]: q 12 was better?
]
;B[nh]BL[175.866]C[ghjg: jinni ur close to get ignored^^
Jinni [3k\]: dont hurt my feelins
ben103 [5k\]: there's a all-green and a greepig high-dans, ok?
]
;W[sf]WL[156.068]C[Jinni [3k\]: or your intelligence
]
;B[ok]BL[162.192]C[ghjg: done^^
]
;W[mj]WL[146.045]C[Jinni [3k\]: ^^
Jinni [3k\]: ^^
Jinni [3k\]: worst thing ever is ^^
WillFront [3k\]: GO GO GO flashback!!
teachix: O 10?
]
;B[lh]BL[128.566]
;W[mg]WL[138.598]
;B[mh]BL[116.555]
;W[nk]WL[133.788]C[teachix: almost ^^'
]
;B[ro]BL[88.958]
;W[og]WL[121.709]C[weiland [3d\]: p13 and all white are connected
]
;B[ph]BL[71.475]C[Nickless [-\]: but o9 is cut
]
;W[qg]WL[114.43]
;B[nl]BL[61.415]
;W[ml]WL[112.888]
;B[nj]BL[51.031]
;W[ni]WL[111.4]
;B[mi]BL[49.23]
;W[nj]WL[110.775]
;B[lj]BL[46.131]
;W[mk]WL[110.077]C[hoogly [6k?\]: w in the driver's seat
miaaffa [8d?\]: ...
johnny [4k\]: B o7
ben103 [5k\]: b looks like Wagner Moura
ghjg: bomber
]
;B[nm]BL[20.399]
;W[kl]WL[101.316]
;B[mm]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[kk]WL[99.62]C[CptHook [4k?\]: time for o13?
]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[il]WL[96.978]C[aertan [4k\]: what does that give us?;P
norank [-\]: o13 is nothing
Moin9 [2k\]: oha white is running with a weak group...
]
;B[jg]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[hn]WL[90.259]C[johnny [4k\]: W will build up great strength while chasing W L8 grp
johnny [4k\]: B will
]
;B[mq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[rq]WL[84.604]C[Moin9 [2k\]: what was Rob von Zeijist (7Dan) saying?? "running with a weak group is worth -20 points)
eatramen [13k\]: o5
markjgc [12k\]: is today Go Seigen's birthday or something?  This is the second tengen opening I've seen today
eatramen [13k\]: or d4
Pottu [2k\]: i like b now
]
;B[do]BL[30]OB[5]C[ZeroWave [6k\]: maybe it's his death day
Nickless [-\]: he is still alive mate !!!
ben103 [5k\]: hey
volcano [2k\]: :(
]
;W[cm]WL[69.268]C[Kurotsu [1d\]: hello
Moin9 [2k\]: oha this move threaten whites group again
Kurotsu [1d\]: !
vandrei [9k\]: the board looks weird xD
megabeest [3k\]: oha?
norank [-\]: low? o_o
inlite [5k\]: e7&
]
;B[em]BL[30]OB[4]C[vandrei [9k\]: lol
ben103 [5k\]: b is having fun, clearly and obsiously, look at his face now!
]
;W[cj]WL[60.652]
;B[hp]BL[30]OB[4]C[Werfeus [4d\]: 96 and counting
CptHook [4k?\]: o13 means also p16 in danger..
typohh [4k\]: can b give w 3 stones and still win, what about 2?
]
;W[hj]WL[46.669]C[iceblink [2k\]: nice observation
alexanderp [3k?\]: b tengen = 1 stone handi + komi
Moin9 [2k\]: woah looks big at the bottom an upper part  for black
goyacc [1d\]: what does 3p mean
aertan [4k\]: 3 pro-dan
howso [8k\]: b j9
AutoAtari [3k\]: wow what a strange game
goyacc [1d\]: 3d pro?
]
;B[ej]BL[30]OB[4]C[nicinima [6k\]: its worse than kyu
Targund [-\]: its mean nothing
nicinima [6k\]: p-k-d
Moin9 [2k\]: yeah
Targund [-\]: just watch the game
ben103 [5k\]: b has 3 penises
ghjg: sometimes flash wins needs no handi
AutoAtari [3k\]: w is getting roasted
]
;W[gl]WL[20.825]C[inlite [5k\]: h10 cut?
nicinima [6k\]: w has 7
R [2k\]: i think it's a show, not game
alexanderp [3k?\]: everthing is great for w...except he doesn't have territory
nicinima [6k\]: 7dicks > 3 penises
howso [8k\]: pro making life
]
;B[dm]BL[30]OB[4]C[ben103 [5k\]: lol nici
Arhiman [1k\]: get a life, trolls
ben103 [5k\]: lol Arh
]
;W[cn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[co]BL[30]OB[4]C[ben103 [5k\]: dont feed trolls Arh, 1st rule
nicinima [6k\]: it looks like b had handicap now
howso [8k\]: b f5
]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[5]C[Arhiman [1k\]: I don't feed them, I'm one of them :)
goyacc [1d\]: isn't K  thousand?  
typohh [4k\]: is mentioning "dont feed the trolls" actually feeding the trolls?
hoogly [6k?\]: who wants a life when u can troll
]
;B[ng]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[lg]BL[30]OB[4]C[Pottu [2k\]: gote
]
;W[mf]WL[30]OW[5]C[CptHook [4k?\]: hmm, i was blind , sorry....
]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[4]C[johnny [4k\]: B slowly taking big pts
]
;W[ed]WL[30]OW[5]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: b is playing like a pro
johnny [4k\]: B c13/
]
;B[cg]BL[30]OB[4]C[Athanor [-\]: w need smore weak groups
typohh [4k\]: this game starting to look like lost for w
kolorek [9k\]: cause he is pro;\]
nicinima [6k\]: w has so few points
]
;W[cc]WL[30]OW[5]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: b is ahead for a lot. 15 points on the right, 10 points for w in the right corner. And a lot of territory for b elsewhere.
aertan [4k\]: im not sure he is anymore kolarek
typohh [4k\]: breakfast is honorary pro tho
ben103 [5k\]: let the high-dans speak...
Nickless [-\]: typohh
]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[4]C[azura [2d?\]: ya, i was wondering why no high dan comment 
Nickless [-\]: how can 7-times european go champion be honorary pro
Nickless [-\]: come on
AutoAtari [3k\]: the game started to look like lost for w around move 20
nicinima [6k\]: high dans dont talk
ben103 [5k\]: allgreen, we're all ears
Athanor [-\]: k15
typohh [4k\]: nickless, cause noone in europe can play any good?
]
;W[dd]WL[30]OW[5]C[ghjg: their  here anonym
]
;B[ce]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fd]BL[30]OB[4]C[CptHook [4k?\]: bec dans only waching and laughing to kyus
Nickless [-\]: in that case, want to play me ?
goyacc [1d\]: what is w doing?
]
;W[df]WL[30]OW[5]C[Senki [1d\]: what are rules for him to increase rank?
ZeroWave [6k\]: praying?
typohh [4k\]: nickless, sure
]
;B[de]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ee]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[4]C[Athanor [-\]: ruining a 4k has nothing to do with playing good, though
aertan [4k\]: senki he gets a pre-done rank from kgs
Hitagi [-\]: nikkles :-)
AutoAtari [3k\]: b preparing for the big kill?
]
;W[dg]WL[30]OW[5]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: e18 ?
aertan [4k\]: I think he is considering how to live, more likely
aertan [4k\]: ;P
]
;B[fc]BL[30]OB[4]C[Senki [1d\]: thx
ArnoldS: ooooooo
alexanderp [3k?\]: actually that's a chance for w, imho
johnny [4k\]: B d11?
faintvoice [1k\]: so easy to get high rank accounts
ben103 [5k\]: I saw a guy selling a 6d KGS rank on eBay... sad
aertan [4k\]: haha
]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[5]C[faintvoice [1k\]: i have a 2d account
AutoAtari [3k\]: I don't think living is a problem for b
ZeroWave [6k\]: LOL @ben
Athanor [-\]: i should sell mine
]
;B[fb]BL[30]OB[4]C[miksas [1d?\]: pls stop discussing pro ranks, if u dont know its  not all aobut  sport achievments
]
;W[dc]WL[30]OW[5]C[decHunger [8k\]: how much did he get for the 6d?
faintvoice [1k\]: ur dumb mik
DangoMango [1k\]: what good is 6d account if you can't win against 6d?
Senki [1d\]: w can invade bottom right?
eatramen [13k\]: ppl sell kgs accounts on ebay
eatramen [13k\]: lmao funny
AutoAtari [3k\]: a 6d account is easy to get (even by a 10k)
]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[4]C[ben103 [5k\]: dec, that's sad too, 10 bucks, come on
faintvoice [1k\]: yeah 6ds are easy 7ds are hard
hoogly [6k?\]: no wonder ebay is in trouble
]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[5]C[RoundTuit [2k\]: it's keeping that 6d rank that's the difficulty
]
;B[cf]BL[30]OB[4]C[faintvoice [1k\]: not really
fl [1d\]: AutoAtari [3k\]: a 6d account is easy to get (even by a 10k)
]
;W[ff]WL[30]OW[5]C[fl [1d\]: 9d is easy, too
ben103 [5k\]: right Round, he was selling SUpport too!! that was the expensive part!
]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[4]C[fl [1d\]: start client twice and play against yourself.
AutoAtari [3k\]: yeah, I doubt there is a great difference
fl [1d\]: not hard
fl [1d\]: 6hc -> win+lose = solid rank
]
;W[fh]WL[30]OW[5]C[RoundTuit [2k\]: like I said, keeping it is the difficulty, fl
]
;B[fi]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[gh]WL[30]OW[5]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: you need more than 2 accounts though
fl [1d\]: depends on your rank
AutoAtari [3k\]: yeah
]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[4]C[fl [1d\]: but usually u do, yeah.
ben103 [5k\]: k4
]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jc]BL[30]OB[4]C[ghjg: on yahoo they have bots for building up rating
AutoAtari [3k\]: and it most definitely breaks the kgs rules
]
;W[ke]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[je]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[5]C[fl [1d\]: exactly
fl [1d\]: my rank got disabled for it
fl [1d\]: ;)
evanj [3d\]: and then what do you do with this rank you have fraudulently obtained
SkarfBoy [13k\]: lose
AutoAtari [3k\]: sell it on ebay? ^^
evanj [3d\]: apparently
Verse [3k\]: kibitz for 6 months
]
;B[ll]BL[30]OB[3]C[inlite [5k\]: b9?
Verse [3k\]: until the rank goes unsolid
eatramen [13k\]: im gonna start selling 30k accounts on ebay for sandbaggers
AutoAtari [3k\]: lol
eatramen [13k\]: 30k harder to get than any rank
ZeroWave [6k\]: that's actually an interesting idea Verse
evanj [3d\]: ATARI
fl [1d\]: pose with it, of course.
ben103 [5k\]: guys, that 6d on ebay story was a dream I had yesterday
]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[3]C[fl [1d\]: u dream of go ? 
ZeroWave [6k\]: don't ruin the fun now
fl [1d\]: thats sick.
eatramen [13k\]: i dream of go
]
;W[le]WL[30]OW[5]C[eatramen [13k\]: all the time
eatramen [13k\]: lol
fl [1d\]: why ? 
eatramen [13k\]: even tesujis
Bashania [1d\]: when i studied hard, i dreamt of go every night...
eatramen [13k\]: ive never actually seen before
fl [1d\]: what do dream of go ? 
ben103 [5k\]: it looked so real...
fl [1d\]: i sometimes have a joseki in my head. the whole day !
AutoAtari [3k\]: I bought a foldable board with magnetic stones today, happy :)
Senki [1d\]: u guys are sick
fl [1d\]: but i never dream of go 
]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[2]C[ghjg: still b dont need too much points in the bottom
]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[5]C[fl [1d\]: omg
fl [1d\]: ghjg ur totally offtopic
]
;B[ie]BL[30]OB[2]C[eatramen [13k\]: lol
eatramen [13k\]: it's normal to dream of go
fl [1d\]: not really.
]
;W[ci]WL[30]OW[5]C[fl [1d\]: and especially not as 13k
Akir [4k\]: its normall to dream of a nice girl
]
;B[bj]BL[30]OB[2]C[fl [1d\]: yeah, true story.
eatramen [13k\]: rank affects dreams now?
fl [1d\]: i think so.
AurelienC [4d\]: what is normal ? do you want to be "normal", normal is being as dumb as other, no even able to follow what you think
eatramen [13k\]: incorrect
]
;W[ch]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[2]C[IcancerI [4k\]: nice girl = good story, go = bad story?
freffenber [1d\]: as far as it concerns the subconcious
taketake [6k\]: dead
aertan [4k\]: b+ r 
ben103 [5k\]: Aurelien is in a bad day
ogolony [-\]: c9 
power [3k\]: AurelienC, who is "other"?
ghjg: no i dreamt of chess in the beginning and improved very fast in this period
]
;W[ei]WL[30]OW[5]C[brianchan [4k\]: white lose
aertan [4k\]: ok
AurelienC [4d\]: normal people :p
power [3k\]: and why they dumb?
aertan [4k\]: or hmmm i think blasck have to c9
fl [1d\]: not bad story .. but kinda sick. i just don't understand what you can dream of go. do you dream "YEAH... IM 9P WAHAHAHA" ? 
]
;B[ck]BL[30]OB[2]C[eatramen [13k\]: when you dream it's just your brain cementing fundementals 
fl [1d\]: tell me.
]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[5]C[AurelienC [4d\]: i mean people so focused on what others may think of them
ghjg: u dream of constellations
ZeroWave [6k\]: there was a time I solved a problem in my sleep actually.. it was amusing
freffenber [1d\]: dreams come from the subconcious:
Bashania [1d\]: i was playing go in my dreams
]
;B[dl]BL[30]OB[2]C[eatramen [13k\]: you just see stones being placed on the board
]
;W[ek]WL[30]OW[5]C[hoogly [6k?\]: "normal" is like "interesting"+ so vague as to be meaningless
Bashania [1d\]: that's one thing you can dream about go
ghjg: and sometimes u wake up having solved a problem from day before
eatramen [13k\]: maybe a joseki, maybe a game
ben103 [5k\]: 0wave, which type of problem?
brianchan [4k\]: d3
brianchan [4k\]: defence
freffenber [1d\]: we are dreaming our emotions
ZeroWave [6k\]: life and death
fl [1d\]: so. i'm not normal cause i don't dream of go ? `:)
ZeroWave [6k\]: I had in a game
]
;B[dq]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ic]WL[30]OW[5]C[power [3k\]: wow
eatramen [13k\]: i fell asleep watching greenpig vs some other 9d? and i dreamt about the rest of the game
TonyTiger [4d\]: nice 4k move :)
brianchan [4k\]: white can resign now
alexanderp [3k?\]: breakfast in a good shape today
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kb]BL[30]OB[2]C[namjey [?\]: f9
RocherCG [11k\]: hes so sexy sacrificing stones..
power [3k\]: hmm
AutoAtari [3k\]: ......
]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[2]C[ben103 [5k\]: how can w reduce bottom?
]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[5]C[fl [1d\]: invade?
ZeroWave [6k\]: c8 
brianchan [4k\]: no method
AutoAtari [3k\]: exercise
fl [1d\]: n2  ;D
brianchan [4k\]: unless 5pro or above
eatramen [13k\]: w can use the standard 7-3 invasion
alexanderp [3k?\]: invade on second line...but hard
]
;B[jf]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[5]C[ZeroWave [6k\]: maybe probe at h3
faintvoice [1k\]: alexanderp [3k?\]: invade on second line...but hard
norank [-\]: j4 and crosscut?
faintvoice [1k\]: hahahahahaha
]
;B[hc]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[2]C[fl [1d\]: reduce is not a problem .. e.g. j5. the problem is a huge reduce :P
alexanderp [3k?\]: faint?
ClemGo [2k\]: k4 now
faintvoice [1k\]: yeah
alexanderp [3k?\]: i saw invasions on the second line, Koreans like it:)
lockelaton [9k\]: l12
]
;W[bk]WL[30]OW[5]C[Replica [-\]: g8 then use the aji from it to get something else
gacua [1k\]: While shall K19
faintvoice [1k\]: uhhh
brianchan [4k\]: you are not koreans...
fl [1d\]: w N2
faintvoice [1k\]: on 4-4
faintvoice [1k\]: not on sides
ben103 [5k\]: fl, what would you do to do a all-or-nothing huge reduction? 
]
;B[cl]BL[30]OB[2]C[Samantha [2k\]: ignore
]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[5]C[liquescens [1d\]: j4 is good
fl [1d\]: h3
fl [1d\]: definitly
aertan [4k\]: t11
]
;B[jl]BL[30]OB[2]C[fl [1d\]: but if i'm leading i would play n2
ben103 [5k\]: L3!
faintvoice [1k\]: 2nd line invasions are beyond 10ks
fl [1d\]: because its a safe reduce.
alexanderp [3k?\]: well, faint, i'm not 10k...
Replica [-\]: is it really safe?
fl [1d\]: should be.
Replica [-\]: lower right does not look stable with it
]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[4]C[faintvoice [1k\]: mayb but u play like one
]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[2]C[faintvoice [1k\]: n2 is bad
fl [1d\]: in combination with h3 there should be something doable.
ben103 [5k\]: w is thinking if he can live eyelessly?
johnny [4k\]: W s9 for ko
faintvoice [1k\]: ur cut and b kills
]
;W[bo]WL[30]OW[4]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: well, it's better to play like 10k than spell like 10 years old:)
ZeroWave [6k\]: pro's do that all the time
]
;B[lc]BL[30]OB[2]C[gacua [1k\]: P14 is dead
AurelienC [4d\]: fl, watch some lee chang ho's game to see if 2nd line invasion does not exist...
]
;W[bp]WL[30]OW[4]C[ZeroWave [6k\]: to live eyelessly, you just kill everything that's threatening you
faintvoice [1k\]: WHY DO THEY DO IT/?
]
;B[bl]BL[30]OB[2]C[zorgit [1d?\]: t12
]
;W[cq]WL[30]OW[4]C[ben103 [5k\]: hey! why the pro took black?
]
;B[dr]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[cr]WL[30]OW[4]C[AurelienC [4d\]: why not ?
faintvoice [1k\]: cus they can cus theres aji here wth is the aji
Uberdude [4d?\]: hey! why the chicken cross the road?
RocherCG [11k\]: k10
eatramen [13k\]: f5
johnny [4k\]: B d6 free move
RocherCG [11k\]: thats why
]
;B[md]BL[30]OB[2]C[Strateg [2k\]: n17 
Strateg [2k\]: o_o
power [3k\]: Uberdude, why?
Uberdude [4d?\]: to get away from KFC
power [3k\]: :)
ZeroWave [6k\]: how many kyus do you need to change a lightbulb?
faintvoice [1k\]: all u guys are doing are saying moves w/ no reasong other than ive seen pros do it in other games
]
;W[mc]WL[30]OW[3]C[power [3k\]: oh
gacua [1k\]: ko :D
AurelienC [4d\]: w has balls !
johnny [4k\]: and it's fun to do
goyacc [1d\]: yacc 
aertan [4k\]: to big maybe
ben103 [5k\]: 3 of them
oasthouse [?\]: how can w play this ko?
MXHero [3d\]: oh that's cool
miksas [1d?\]: w all-in
JoostC [4d\]: gigantic ko
ben103 [5k\]: bison
notbert [6k\]: none, they arent able to do it even if there were hunfrets of them
Uberdude [4d?\]: M O N S T E R    K I L L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
goyacc [1d\]: 7d 14 balls
ZeroWave [6k\]: you were close
horowitz [3k\]: lol
teonanactl [13k\]: ))))
liquescens [1d\]: tenuki
]
;B[kj]BL[30]OB[1]C[ZeroWave [6k\]: infinity - they don't see the ladder
oasthouse [?\]: b can even leave it for later
MXHero [3d\]: not exactly
eatramen [13k\]: MX
]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[3]C[MXHero [3d\]: hey ramen
eatramen [13k\]: listen to mx, he's a go scientist
johnny [4k\]: B t12
MXHero [3d\]: lol ramen :)
aertan [4k\]: i did not totaly understand l10
]
;B[fk]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[dj]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[lc]BL[30]OB[1]C[liquescens [1d\]: k19 
Uberdude [4d?\]: L10 makes ko threats
SankakuSRS [?\]: O15
ogolony [-\]: o15 
]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[3]C[aertan [4k\]: but now he cannot play the big ko
ogolony [-\]: p2 
]
;B[cs]BL[30]OB[1]C[gacua [1k\]: Black should have played at O15 before L10
SankakuSRS [?\]: yeah
Replica [-\]: it was too heavy for black
volcano [2k\]: b is just wrapping it up
SankakuSRS [?\]: if black had played O15, he would have taken the entire group.
]
;W[dp]WL[30]OW[3]C[johnny [4k\]: ??
Replica [-\]: white would start ko
Replica [-\]: end it fast
gacua [1k\]: and he missed the chance to n17
]
;B[ep]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[cp]WL[30]OW[3]C[Replica [-\]: and entire black group in jeopardy
MXHero [3d\]: if b had played o15, b would have ended up killing the bottom left corner
]
;B[fq]BL[30]OB[1]C[Replica [-\]: l10 needed
]
;W[bs]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ds]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[3]C[royboi [9k\]: since when did breakfast play free games?
gacua [1k\]: L10 was a questionable move at that time
]
;B[or]BL[30]OB[1]C[soulangel [3d\]: insei league?
]
;W[oq]WL[30]OW[3]C[royboi [9k\]: oh isee
]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[qr]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[nq]BL[30]OB[1]C[norank [-\]: yes soul
]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[3]C[soulangel [3d\]: i guess
]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[rp]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[qo]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[qp]WL[30]OW[3]C[ClemGo [2k\]: resign time
Samantha [2k\]: isn't b so much ahead
alexanderp [3k?\]: pretty peaceful game, b killed nothing
Romeo [1d\]: Romeo 100% win rate is here, rejoice everyone.
volcano [2k\]: didn't need to
Uberdude [4d?\]: p2 very big
alexanderp [3k?\]: sure
gacua [1k\]: B needs K19
Rocker [4d\]: IS BREAKFAST going bald??
]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[1]C[aertan [4k\]: wouldnt say peaceful ;P
AutoAtari [3k\]: I think b is happy to "just" win
Samantha [2k\]: why breakfast is playing b ?
kolorek [9k\]: why not?
Rocker [4d\]: dinnerchtein+30.5 
aertan [4k\]: they play even..
ClemGo [2k\]: to play tengen :)
Samantha [2k\]: because he's supposed to be stronger
alexanderp [3k?\]: Samantha, he gave 1 stone handi to w with the first move
kolorek [9k\]: tea i know
kolorek [9k\]: but i think that was random
gacua [1k\]: playing tengen can't be considered giving handi
]
;W[ja]WL[30]OW[2]C[volcano [2k\]: why is tengen so valueless?
Uberdude [4d?\]: time to resign
]
;B[fl]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[2]C[Replica [-\]: tengen is very strong imo
Athanor [-\]: tengen is so strong a move
]
;B[hb]BL[30]OB[1]C[soulangel [3d\]: if u can handle
]
;W[ia]WL[30]OW[2]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: if there is a single best first move, it is tengen :)
alexanderp [3k?\]: gacua, it doesn't make any territory. I remember redrose said once after her game with tartrate (his first move was tengen) "he is stronger on 1 handi + komi" considering tengen as the first move a handi
Athanor [-\]: no need to be able to handle, it's almost the key to a very fun game
]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[1]C[royboi [9k\]: alexander has a video on youtube explaining that if u play tengen, u have to play very big
]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[hd]BL[30]OB[1]C[ClemGo [2k\]: why w didn't resign ?
]
;W[pm]WL[30]OW[2]C[soulangel [3d\]: risky i would say u must force the fight
Uberdude [4d?\]: tengen is not a wasted move if you play well
]
;B[rl]BL[30]OB[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: btw, gacua, we can see in this game how many points tengen made and how many points made corner/sides moves.
]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[2]C[Athanor [-\]: clemgo :a game?
oasthouse [?\]: b16 big
]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[1]C[volcano [2k\]: no resignation in the inse league
ClemGo [2k\]: yes !
johnny [4k\]: we can?
Uberdude [4d?\]: alex, the point of tengen is not to make points
Romeo [1d\]: Tengen isn't played for points.
Uberdude [4d?\]: it is for power
Romeo [1d\]: Yes
]
;W[np]WL[30]OW[2]C[Romeo [1d\]: It gives you advantage in upcoming fights.
]
;B[mp]BL[30]OB[1]C[aertan [4k\]: ladder breaker aswell 
power [3k\]: tengen is for me
Uberdude [4d?\]: look at the lower side b got
Romeo [1d\]: So if you're a strong fighter it's a good move for you.
aertan [4k\]: pretty useful for some josekis etc
volcano [2k\]: it is like a little ponnuki
Uberdude [4d?\]: that could be said to be due to the fights from tengen
]
;W[dn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[eo]BL[30]OB[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: you're right. though, the game is for territory, for points, not for fights. you know better anyway
johnny [4k\]: what can W do about B huge bottom now?
nicinima [6k\]: cry
royboi [9k\]: nothing much i guess
]
;W[bd]WL[30]OW[2]C[royboi [9k\]: that too
power [3k\]: lol
Uberdude [4d?\]: look at all the dame w played at h10 g8
soulangel [3d\]: w should resign
Feanor [1d\]: the game is for fun :)
]
;B[ha]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[la]WL[30]OW[2]C[Feanor [1d\]: hence, fighting could be more important than points :)
]
;B[oc]BL[30]OB[1]C[johnny [4k\]: can W start a ko on bottom?
Romeo [1d\]: Fighting makes points >_>
Romeo [1d\]: Or takes
]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[di]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[lc]BL[30]OB[1]C[royboi [9k\]: why play this ko?
kurikuri [1d\]: f13 is a cool move
kolorek [9k\]: o16
Replica [-\]: it's worth points
Romeo [1d\]: For a point
kolorek [9k\]: thats why
kurikuri [1d\]: it lets b play g14
Romeo [1d\]: It makes w play o16
alexanderp [3k?\]: I remember first lessons to newbies about territory. Pure math, how 6 stones in the corner can enclose 9 points, 6 stones on the side make 4 points and same stones make only 2 points in the center. So I really doubt the effectiveness of tengen in terms of territory. Maybe that's why they start with corners, than sides and only then the center?
alexanderp [3k?\]: sorry for long comments
aertan [4k\]: w need such big threat to make this usefull
]
;W[nd]WL[30]OW[1]C[Romeo [1d\]: We just told you it isn't played for territory >_>
leslawpoor [2k\]: 480
]
;B[en]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[an]WL[30]OW[1]C[ZeroWave [6k\]: alexander, yes, but as said before by dans - tengen is not for points, it's for fights which wikll give you points
]
;B[gf]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[gg]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[1]C[iamdan [1d\]: alex.... tengen is a ladder breaker for most corner joseki, which allows many benificial joseki for B
leslawpoor [2k\]: 483
]
;W[fj]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[hk]WL[30]OW[1]C[Replica [-\]: allows for aggressive play in general
ben103 [5k\]: tengen is a killer spot
leslawpoor [2k\]: 489
]
;B[am]BL[30]OB[1]C[fl [1d\]: its used for mirrorgo :)
liquescens [1d\]: 500
MXHero [3d\]: i don't think a 3p needs anything to allow aggressive play :)
]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: iamdan, i'm aware of that, but it's a handi at least if player's levels are same. maybe not a full stone, but half
leslawpoor [2k\]: no 
hoogly [6k?\]: b up 15?
Replica [-\]: imo tengen and then approaching right away like breakfast did in this game makes best use of it
Rocker [4d\]: b+only 10.5
soulangel [3d\]: it is like poker xD
]
;B[ae]BL[30]OB[1]C[Vaelen [8k\]: didnt flash win last time vs breakfast?
oasthouse [?\]: b played very interesting game
alexanderp [3k?\]: breakfast is very peacefull players
]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bf]BL[30]OB[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: player*
hoogly [6k?\]: huge south side...
]
;W[so]WL[30]OW[1]C[oasthouse [?\]: maybe he would not be peaceful if he needed to catch up :)
volcano [2k\]: seems he could have pushed the fights and win by much more
]
;B[rn]BL[30]OB[1]C[Rocker [4d\]: dinnerchtein is losing hair
royboi [9k\]: it's the stress
Replica [-\]: possible, but why fight when ahead
alexanderp [3k?\]: volcano, same impression
royboi [9k\]: XD
power [3k\]: poor diner
]
;W[jn]WL[30]OW[1]C[joanie [2k?\]: b +12.5?
Replica [-\]: it's when you are behind you should fight and make things complicated
volcano [2k\]: I wasn't suggeting he should have
skachkov84 [1k\]: less
]
;B[in]BL[30]OB[1]C[Replica [-\]: to try to fight to win by more invites more complications to lose by=)
]
;W[jm]WL[30]OW[1]C[Replica [-\]: ok
]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[go]WL[30]OW[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: Rocker, you can say it one more time for we would be sure you have issues with going bald:)
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[hm]WL[30]OW[1]C[volcano [2k\]: hope your butt doesn't go bald rocker
Replica [-\]: j11
hoogly [6k?\]: funny proverb in kageyama's book---"rich men don't pick fights"
]
;B[ih]BL[30]OB[1]C[Rocker [4d\]: why r u interested in a mans butt , i feel not comfortable
joanie [2k?\]: g10
]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[1]C[chrono3450 [3d\]: alexanderp owned
]
;B[ln]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[gp]WL[30]OW[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: chrono, I wasn't interested in Rocker's butt and never said the word.
]
;B[gq]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sd]WL[30]OW[1]C[alexanderp [3k?\]: So no, I'm not owned.
]
;B[sc]BL[30]OB[1]C[chrono3450 [3d\]: well
]
;W[hf]WL[30]OW[1]C[royboi [9k\]: erm how bout focusing on the game and not about rocker's butt? XD
chrono3450 [3d\]: you are still owned because i said so
kurikuri [1d\]: well nothing
faintvoice [1k\]: w won
]
;B[ec]BL[30]OB[1]C[power [3k\]: lol
Replica [-\]: rocker's butt is sexy
faintvoice [1k\]: u guys are fags
]
;W[db]WL[30]OW[1]C[fl [1d\]: 1k says what SE says .. lol
kurikuri [1d\]: b still has g11
]
;B[im]BL[30]OB[1]C[humility [4d\]: esp. user "gay"
]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[km]BL[30]OB[1]C[Rocker [4d\]: wow a lot of attention on my rear part hmmmmmm
humility [4d\]: i had suspicion about him for long time
]
;W[ii]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[1]C[faintvoice [1k\]: 1k sats hed beat a crappy 1d as w
AutoAtari [3k\]: have you guys seen it?
seikenguy [1k\]: Don't worry. Be happy.
]
;W[gj]WL[30]OW[1]C[faintvoice [1k\]: this rank means nothing i play w/ diiff account
fl [1d\]: b+5
]
;B[na]BL[30]OB[1]C[cutter [2k\]: he has a point, theres no way w wins
faintvoice [1k\]: w +3.5
tim2718281 [4k\]: eh?
]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[pn]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[on]WL[30]OW[1]C[skachkov84 [1k\]: b+4,5
kolorek [9k\]: b is not so much+ as i thought
]
;B[jl]BL[30]OB[1]C[tim2718281 [4k\]: pro plan is to win by 1 point
]
;W[jm]WL[30]OW[1]C[uefhzh [4k\]: scoring large isn't imortant, victory is victory even at +0.5
joanie [2k?\]: g6
]
;B[sn]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sp]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[os]BL[30]OB[1]C[royboi [9k\]: but it's more comfortable to score large
tim2718281 [4k\]: so player will pay to play again
]
;W[qs]WL[30]OW[1]C[cutter [2k\]: scoring large isnt comfortable
]
;B[ea]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[da]WL[30]OW[1]C[Feanor [1d\]: yea
]
;B[fa]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ad]WL[30]OW[1]C[cutter [2k\]: if you try to go for the big win you overplay
kurikuri [1d\]: b wins easily by my count...
]
;B[af]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[1]C[Feanor [1d\]: but it's fun
]
;B[al]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[qn]WL[30]OW[1]C[royboi [9k\]: i mean if u already have a lot of points
cutter [2k\]: and if the oponent catches you they get the big win
]
;B[si]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[pl]WL[30]OW[1]C[Replica [-\]: k11
cutter [2k\]: if you already got alot of points then you can play safe and solid, keep it simple so w cant do anything
]
;B[ql]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ji]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ki]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[gn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[hi]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[pn]BL[30]OB[1]C[humility [4d\]: big ko
skachkov84 [1k\]: w cut a few points
]
;W[bg]WL[30]OW[1]C[johnny [4k\]: W closing the gap
Feanor [1d\]: remember, fear is the path to the Dark Side
]
;B[ag]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[qn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[1]C[Feanor [1d\]: and also if you play too soft, you can still lose the game
]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[1]C[Kogokhan [2d\]: wasnt it anger?
]
;B[jl]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ah]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ai]BL[30]OB[1]C[Feanor [1d\]: even if you had a solid lead
]
;W[jm]WL[30]OW[1]C[fl [1d\]: safe and solid sucks. i prefer to demand a mental resign :)
Feanor [1d\]: anger and hatered too :p
]
;B[ll]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jl]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[lm]BL[30]OB[1]C[johnny [4k\]: L17
]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[1]C[nanok [13k?\]: fear enables you to stay alive
faintvoice [1k\]: remember to listen to what ur saying so u dont sound like a virgin
]
;B[jd]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[lc]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ol]BL[30]OB[1]C[nanok [13k?\]: (which, at the end of the day, is the sure way to death)
evanj [3d\]: b has t12
evanj [3d\]: had*
faintvoice [1k\]: omg
]
;W[]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[sh]BL[30]OB[1]C[pyramids [1d\]: w has t13
yakito [2k\]: oO
]
;W[sg]WL[30]OW[1]C[Werfeus [4d\]: b has t13..
faintvoice [1k\]: im possesed
Feanor [1d\]: your mind enables you to stay alive
faintvoice [1k\]: the Dark Side omg 
evanj [3d\]: oh, indeed :D
]
;B[]BL[30]OB[1]C[MXHero [3d\]: t12 was zero point sente
kurikuri [1d\]: b +6.5?
]
;W[]WL[30]OW[1]TW[aa][ba][ca][ab][bb][cb][ac][md][me][ne][pe][ef][of][pf][qf][rf][fg][dh][eh][fi][gi][ej][ik][ao][oo][ap][op][pp][aq][bq][qq][sq][ar][rr][sr][as][rs][ss]TB[ga][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][gb][pb][qb][rb][sb][gc][gd][bg][kg][ah][kh][li][aj][sj][ak][bk][rk][sk][sl][rm][sm][ko][lo][ip][jp][kp][lp][eq][hq][iq][jq][kq][lq][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]C[RocherCG [11k\]: warfeus q15
evanj [3d\]: it was a ko threat
johnny [4k\]: fear is the stick that stirs your oatmeal
pyramids [1d\]: t13 would have been 1 pt
RoundTuit [2k\]: I keep remembering "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
VilLeM [4k\]: t13
flashback [7d\]: thanks
eatramen [13k\]: gg
johnny [4k\]: gg
flashback [7d\]: i always lose at yose :)
breakfast [3p\]: thx!
rogeko [4k\]: gg all
Werfeus [4d\]: rocher...but if b t13 then w needs to q15
Strateg [2k\]: t12 -> t13 
Krao [1k\]: B t13 one more point? =)
billbell [1d\]: great game
faintvoice [1k\]: RoundTuit
breakfast [3p\]: yes
breakfast [3p\]: T13
johnny [4k\]: W picked up pts in yose
breakfast [3p\]: lost 1 pt here
RocherCG [11k\]: in ko yeah
RocherCG [11k\]: b4
ZeroWave [6k\]: gg both
faintvoice [1k\]: quoting others makes u an idiot
flashback [7d\]: t13:
flashback [7d\]: ?
breakfast [3p\]: see you again!
gakkari [1k\]: ohayou
faintvoice [1k\]: ive heard that somewhere hmmm
gakkari [1k\]: good morning
])
