(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[ha]WR[3p]DT[2010-01-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[ha [-\]: insei league
ha [-\]: have a good game !
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1782.913]C[breakfast [3p\]: Have a nice game!
]
;W[dd]WL[1725.575]
;B[pq]BL[1774.67]
;W[dp]WL[1722.922]
;B[fc]BL[1769.731]
;W[cf]WL[1716.804]
;B[oc]BL[1756.96]C[breakfast [3p\]: Dear spectators, you can ask any Q about the game,  I will answer them later in offline review
]
;W[po]WL[1657.423]
;B[qo]BL[1726.517]
;W[qn]WL[1633.858]
;B[qp]BL[1723.57]
;W[pm]WL[1614.748]
;B[nq]BL[1669.681]
;W[qi]WL[1608.535]
;B[qg]BL[1591.48]
;W[hc]WL[1566.133]
;B[db]BL[1432.766]
;W[fd]WL[1551.73]
;B[ec]BL[1409.338]
;W[gd]WL[1548.999]
;B[cc]BL[1407.78]
;W[cn]WL[1525.58]
;B[dq]BL[1266.083]
;W[eq]WL[1512.476]C[Targund [-\]: d3 is overplay now?
]
;B[er]BL[1162.676]
;W[cq]WL[1477.665]
;B[dr]BL[1157.768]
;W[fq]WL[1449.475]
;B[fr]BL[1132.518]
;W[gq]WL[1427.284]
;B[bq]BL[1129.646]
;W[cp]WL[1399.543]
;B[cr]BL[1128.162]
;W[oi]WL[1386.92]
;B[dj]BL[1000.332]
;W[fj]WL[1368.444]
;B[cg]BL[963.2]
;W[df]WL[1270.089]
;B[cl]BL[932.518]
;W[ci]WL[1218.264]C[Andromedan [2k\]: D10 seemed like an overplay - deep inside white's sphere of influence, even after it tries to jump out once. Also, white is thick on both sides. Was this an overplay?
]
;B[di]BL[765.186]
;W[ch]WL[1200.799]
;B[fi]BL[749.018]
;W[gi]WL[1183.192]
;B[gj]BL[718.702]C[Targund [-\]: invasion on 4th line is using for run? if yes, than attempt to live inside after boshi is doubtful
]
;W[fk]WL[1078.446]
;B[dh]BL[713.496]
;W[bg]WL[1049.941]
;B[gh]BL[670.355]
;W[hi]WL[1036.495]
;B[hh]BL[660.61]
;W[fh]WL[995.973]
;B[fg]BL[644.68]
;W[ei]WL[988.795]
;B[eh]BL[637.012]
;W[fi]WL[984.77]
;B[dg]BL[588.453]
;W[cj]WL[968.247]
;B[ih]BL[537.617]
;W[dk]WL[919.9]
;B[ii]BL[519.654]
;W[mc]WL[896.704]
;B[if]BL[421.949]
;W[bd]WL[885.664]C[Andromedan [2k\]: forcing moves at E14, F14, and G14, with the G13 cut. Just how weak is the black group? is it strong enough  after the J14 stone?
]
;B[bc]BL[406.659]
;W[bp]WL[862.024]
;B[br]BL[388.814]
;W[nf]WL[824.291]C[Targund [-\]: seems to be not
Andromedan [2k\]: I guess O14 does give us Alex's reply online:)
]
;B[ik]BL[316.156]C[Andromedan [2k\]: since black can obviously live with the center group, what are white's threats against this top right corner enclosure after it's surrouded?
]
;W[pc]WL[766.557]
;B[pd]BL[307.875]C[Targund [-\]: thats it!)
]
;W[qc]WL[740.521]
;B[ob]BL[292.224]C[Andromedan [2k\]: hmm, I knew that is possible without R13. Didn't know it is with R13. What are the differences?
]
;W[rd]WL[708.689]
;B[re]BL[287.183]
;W[rb]WL[683.515]C[Andromedan [2k\]: ah - weak group = more ko threats to the attacker, if I understand this correctly, so, the T16 T17 ko is to white's advantage?
Targund [-\]: ko for life
Targund [-\]: with many ko threats, right
]
;B[pb]BL[195.609]
;W[qb]WL[676.456]C[Targund [-\]: p16 looks dangerous
]
;B[sc]BL[100.157]
;W[sd]WL[655.518]
;B[qa]BL[84.446]
;W[qe]WL[544.3]
;B[pe]BL[59.119]
;W[qf]WL[513.329]
;B[rf]BL[28.022]
;W[sb]WL[477.119]
;B[ra]BL[60]OB[5]C[Andromedan [2k\]: so both sides settle?
]
;W[od]WL[459.368]C[Andromedan [2k\]: oh. White can be more aggressive than that?
Andromedan [2k\]: I see
Targund [-\]: black refused?
]
;B[oe]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nd]WL[427.875]
;B[pa]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[lq]WL[382.293]
;B[bh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bi]WL[353.683]
;B[on]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pn]WL[323.122]
;B[lj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gr]WL[305.277]
;B[jp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[lo]WL[276.538]
;B[jn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jr]WL[240.258]
;B[pj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pi]WL[207.812]
;B[og]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[nb]WL[196.976]
;B[sa]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jd]WL[171.847]C[Andromedan [2k\]: After white played fourth line with K16 - saying he wants big territory on top - is it already good timing for black's G18?
]
;B[ok]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qk]WL[166.306]
;B[ap]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ao]WL[157.005]
;B[aq]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[bn]WL[127.492]
;B[mp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[lp]WL[105.438]
;B[hm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[mr]WL[73.127]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gb]WL[56.026]
;B[fb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ac]WL[42.638]
;B[ab]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ad]WL[31.414]
;B[gc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hb]WL[24.946]
;B[bb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ns]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[os]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ms]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[oq]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[mq]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[kr]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ro]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[rn]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[sn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[sm]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[so]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[rl]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[bf]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ah]WL[60]OW[4]C[Andromedan [2k\]: An endgame question - how do you determine who's ahead at this stage? some of the borderline areas are hard to count, and it's close enough as it is
]
;B[lf]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ps]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[or]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ke]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[lm]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[kf]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[kg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[lg]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[mg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[lh]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[mf]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[kh]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[jg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mi]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[id]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[hd]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ie]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ic]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ki]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ne]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ng]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mj]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[nl]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[io]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[jo]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ip]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[em]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[dm]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[cd]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[be]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[fl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[dl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ek]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hj]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ij]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hl]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[il]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ck]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ef]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[eg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gf]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[go]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[dn]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[cm]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[eo]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[mk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[lk]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ml]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[mm]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ll]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[kl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[km]WL[60]OW[3]C[Andromedan [2k\]: ok finally I think this is countable with white being ahead
]
;B[kn]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[kk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[jm]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[kj]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[jk]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[li]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[oo]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[om]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[nm]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[le]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gs]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[hs]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[jq]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ce]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[af]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[me]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[md]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[de]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gm]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[do]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[en]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ed]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ff]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[hf]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ee]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[bf]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[he]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ge]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[qj]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[rj]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[pk]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[pl]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hr]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[is]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ep]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[fa]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ga]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[fp]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ho]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[hp]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hn]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[dc]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[eb]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[rg]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[pf]BL[60]OB[1]
;W[ph]WL[60]OW[3]C[ha [-\]: thanks for the game
breakfast [3p\]: thx!
breakfast [3p\]: I will send review in few days
ha [-\]: ^^
Andromedan [2k\]: How far is white ahead here?
ha [-\]: lot ahead
])
