(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[jast]WR[3p]BR[1k]DT[2011-10-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]C[jast [1k\]: hi have good game :)
breakfast [3p\]: have a great game!
jast [1k\]: thx ^^
]RE[W+Resign]
;W[de]WL[1757.418]
;B[qp]BL[1785.977]
;W[op]WL[1753.065]C[henrib736 [23k\]: are you guys insei?
Uberdude [4d?\]: no
henrib736 [23k\]: what is 3p?
Uberdude [4d?\]: 3 dan professional
henrib736 [23k\]: wow
]
;B[oq]BL[1743.331]C[henrib736 [23k\]: thats amazing
MilanChe [-\]: its less amaizing than it looks
]
;W[nq]WL[1723.633]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: your rank is probably rarer on kgs these days :p
]
;B[pq]BL[1740.487]C[henrib736 [23k\]: my rank?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
henrib736 [23k\]: cause I suck
]
;W[cn]WL[1688.762]C[henrib736 [23k\]: haha
]
;B[dk]BL[1691.694]
;W[gp]WL[1679.077]
;B[dn]BL[1660.582]
;W[cq]WL[1645.89]
(;B[co]BL[1640.411]
;W[dq]WL[1633.228]C[bluetable [-\]: well played! :)
]
;B[nc]BL[1623.281]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: uh, they just started
]
;W[nm]WL[1613.815]C[bluetable [-\]: negative strategy
]
;B[qm]BL[1618.846]C[Nidalee [-\]: oh no..
hauki [1d?\]: handicap just about neutralised by now
Nidalee [-\]: r7 is never good
]
;W[dc]WL[1594.45]C[Nidalee [-\]: Ever
AutoAtari [3k\]: I'm pretty sure the r7 spot is very good sometimes
Nidalee [-\]: Nope
Nidalee [-\]: it's very bad shape
]
;B[id]BL[1567.28]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: maybe not in this context, but r7 itself is just a place on the board :)
]
;W[pl]WL[1580.701]C[Nidalee [-\]: No, it's bad shape with p3 q3 r4 
]
;B[lq]BL[1545.468]C[Nidalee [-\]: There's a standard punshimenet for that shape
hauki [1d?\]: public flogging
]
;W[nr]WL[1556.306]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: ok, so you mean "in that context", not "never ever"
]
;B[iq]BL[1532.647]
;W[gr]WL[1548.487]C[Nidalee [-\]: Obviously
shakti [-\]: b holding up well so far
]
;B[io]BL[1516.825]
;W[ql]WL[1537.403]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: yeah, none of is groups is dead yet
AutoAtari [3k\]: his*
gooooo [-\]: r7 overplay?
Nidalee [-\]: Yes
Dhammada [5k\]: cool
AutoAtari [3k\]: punishment is r5 s5 q4 r3 r6 s6 q7?
moonkeeper [4k\]: o4
hauki [1d?\]: doesnt seem like much of a punishment
Dhammada [5k\]: yeah
]
(;B[nn]BL[1385.859]
;W[mn]WL[1520.609]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: yeah, just some influence
just9x9 [-\]: wow o6 shows guts
Nidalee [-\]: r5 s5 s6 
Nidalee [-\]: punishment
Quincunx [2d\]: w seems thin. p6 now?
AutoAtari [3k\]: lol, josekipedia says that r7 is joseki there (only that move is shown)
Nidalee [-\]: r5 s5 s6 
AutoAtari [3k\]: and it references Takao Shinji
Nidalee [-\]: That's dead wrong
just9x9 [-\]: nice nidalee, so r6 is proper extension there?
Nidalee [-\]: Yes
Nidalee [-\]: R6 or Q5
Nidalee [-\]: If R7 r5 s5 s6 Is severe
Nidalee [-\]: And w doesn't have to play it right away either
Nidalee [-\]: That shape will always hurt
just9x9 [-\]: well, now it is even better with r8 in place
Nidalee [-\]: Well b made even more bad moves
AutoAtari [3k\]: r5 s5 s6 -> r6, doesn't seem that severe
Nidalee [-\]: That hurt him
Nidalee [-\]: So yes
Nidalee [-\]: It is
Nidalee [-\]: r5 s5 s6 r6 q5 s4 r8 
Nidalee [-\]: Would be the standard punishment
]
;B[mo]BL[1181.338]C[just9x9 [-\]: oh i see, r8 in the end
Nidalee [-\]: Yes
just9x9 [-\]: to get thew outside
Nidalee [-\]: The nose tesuji
Nidalee [-\]: Very important
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: welcome to join our league, if you like to get teaching games too! http://insei-league.com/
]
;W[on]WL[1454.825]
;B[no]BL[1166.706]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: nidalee, i'm afraid you are talking rubbish
Nidalee [-\]: ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: r7 is a bad move when white connects at o4
Nidalee [-\]: lol
Nidalee [-\]: Isn't that what I said?
Uberdude [4d?\]: r7 isa  good move when white jumps to o7
Nidalee [-\]: It's never a good move, it will leave aji later
Uberdude [4d?\]: it is a good move
Nidalee [-\]: o7 is playing light
AutoAtari [3k\]: woah, insei league costs US$95/month, no thanks
Uberdude [4d?\]: the o4 cut and shortage of liberties means white can't do so much
just9x9 [-\]: can you give a sequence uberdude?
Nidalee [-\]: Yes, w can't do much right away
Nidalee [-\]: But w never wants to do anything right away
Nidalee [-\]: W will get stronger
Nidalee [-\]: And THEN that shape will hurt
Uberdude [4d?\]: with o4 connection, the s5 sequence nidalee gave is good
just9x9 [-\]: and without?
Nidalee [-\]: Without it doesn't work, but then w doesn't have to play it
Uberdude [4d?\]: there is no sequence to punish r7
Uberdude [4d?\]: it is a good move
Uberdude [4d?\]: the standard move in fact
AutoAtari [3k\]: so Takao Shinji is right :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: after o7
just9x9 [-\]: oh
hauki [1d?\]: multi escape
Uberdude [4d?\]: of 357 games in my database with o7
just9x9 [-\]: cuz r5 q5?
Uberdude [4d?\]: r7 is played in 198
Nidalee [-\]: After o7 it doesn't work right away I agree
Nidalee [-\]: But it doesn't mean there is no weakness left
Uberdude [4d?\]: if you want to say there is some thinness, then you are correct
Nidalee [-\]: And that's what I was pointing out
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes there is weakness
Uberdude [4d?\]: that doesn't make it a bad move
Uberdude [4d?\]: w shape has weakness too
Uberdude [4d?\]: so it is a fair resulkt
Nidalee [-\]: I agree
Uberdude [4d?\]: so why did you say it is a bad move?
Nidalee [-\]: I wasn't clear on that, I am sorry
Nidalee [-\]: But the punishment is good to know anyway
jast [1k\]: but yeah
]
;W[pp]WL[1233.121]C[Nidalee [-\]: Some people don't know the double hane
Nidalee [-\]: It might have been important for them
breakfast [3p\]: sorry
Dhammada [5k\]: cool
AutoAtari [3k\]: I'm happy to know the double hane for the o4 case :)
just9x9 [-\]: me too
Dhammada [5k\]: and me too
jast [1k\]: np :)
just9x9 [-\]: but it is important to know that o4 is needed for that
jast [1k\]: np :)
jast [1k\]: lag :/
just9x9 [-\]: so after o7 r7, if w plays r5 directly, what does b do? q5? or o4 right away?
Uberdude [4d?\]: q8 is also a good follow up to know in that shape
Uberdude [4d?\]: often the o7 joseki is played with a san ren sei at top
Uberdude [4d?\]: and the q8 is a nice move to develop influence
Uberdude [4d?\]: turn your potentially weak group into an asset
just9x9 [-\]: what does asset mean?
]
(;B[oo]BL[954.001]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: something valuable
just9x9 [-\]: i see
]
;W[po]WL[1218.737]C[Dhammada [5k\]: thank Uberdude
]
;B[pn]BL[943.352]
;W[qo]WL[1209.417]C[hauki [1d?\]: black just went into randomland with this sequence
]
;B[om]BL[929.44]
;W[qq]WL[1198.96]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: huge loss in corner
jast [1k\]: look atleast better than mine
jast [1k\]: alot shape problem
breakfast [3p\]: W got too much 
jast [1k\]: yes
]
;B[ol]BL[918.006]C[just9x9 [-\]: wow, permitting p8?
Uberdude [4d?\]: s7
Uberdude [4d?\]: connect w has all the points
]
;W[rm]WL[1177.721]C[shakti [-\]: b likes to trade territory for thickness in opening
]
;B[cg]BL[908.531]C[remake [2d\]: p8 is little, isnt it?
Uberdude [4d?\]: c13 seems wrong
Uberdude [4d?\]: b must develop the moyo
Uberdude [4d?\]: like q10
]
;W[gc]WL[1146.852]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: yeah b's only chanceis to make a lot of mayo
zum [-\]: mayo!
Dhammada [5k\]: valuable comment :)
hauki [1d?\]: either a lot of mayo, or turn w groups into ketchup
AutoAtari [3k\]: against a pro? not likely ^^
just9x9 [-\]: hehe thats the red and white strategy :)
]
;B[gn]BL[841.327]C[just9x9 [-\]: first make mayo then make ketchup when he invades it
]
;W[md]WL[1134.917]
;B[qf]BL[817.091]
;W[mc]WL[1132.273]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: breakfast is good at reducing
Uberdude [4d?\]: woah r14 is bonkers
AutoAtari [3k\]: uh... r14? wth
Uberdude [4d?\]: now j16 is weak
]
;B[eg]BL[785.352]
;W[oc]WL[1125.291]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: I would only consider o16 vs n17
Uberdude [4d?\]: b's lost it
]
;B[pc]BL[780.396]
;W[nb]WL[1122.231]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: don't forget l16
Uberdude [4d?\]: that can be a powerful move
AutoAtari [3k\]: l16 after n16?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
AutoAtari [3k\]: interesting
just9x9 [-\]: very nice game, very instructive kibitz so far, ty very much
Uberdude [4d?\]: p16 and n17 are the normal  moves
Uberdude [4d?\]: l16 is for when you have thickness to the right side
Uberdude [4d?\]: and want to attack the group is a whole
just9x9 [-\]: p16 or o16?
Uberdude [4d?\]: *o16
mecisa [5k\]: how about j12 for b
mecisa [5k\]: how about j12 for b
Uberdude [4d?\]: dame
AutoAtari [3k\]: j12 seems random
]
;B[hf]BL[625.589]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: w will q18
]
;W[pb]WL[1115.772]
;B[qb]BL[622.175]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: base is important
]
;W[cm]WL[1102.794]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: in sente too :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: once w groups are strong, he can reduce moyo with a free hand
Uberdude [4d?\]: black will get 10 points max in the centre
AutoAtari [3k\]: lol
]
;B[dm]BL[591.799]
;W[bo]WL[1097.358]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: it's absurd, and at the same time, I kinda believe you
]
;B[cl]BL[577.825]
;W[cf]WL[1076.189]C[just9x9 [-\]: considering it is only handi 2 b is doing fine though
]
;B[mf]BL[548.274]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: I had a game against a 4d earlier, I was so close to win but missed an important kill, and then kept losing stuff in the center
Uberdude [4d?\]: n14 is a nice idea
]
;W[mh]WL[1047.108]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: w: I'll cap your cap!
breakfast [3p\]: now B has to kill N12
breakfast [3p\]: but task is hard
jast [1k\]: ^^
breakfast [3p\]: walls are not thick enough
breakfast [3p\]: moyo Go is always hard to win
breakfast [3p\]: see you again!
jast [1k\]: cya
jast [1k\]: thx for reveiw
zum [-\]: I win moyo go all the time : )
Dhammada [5k\]: thx you
AutoAtari [3k\]: not against pro :p
zum [-\]: I was kidding
jast [1k\]: hard against breakfast ^^
jast [1k\]: but still fun to play
]
;B[mj]BL[495.305]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: lol
AutoAtari [3k\]: n8 next?
hauki [1d?\]: capped that capped cap
Uberdude [4d?\]: good feeling
]
;W[bg]WL[1030.779]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: now black will get maybe 20 points in centre, but at big cost at b13
hauki [1d?\]: lost about 20 points there
AutoAtari [3k\]: q10
]
;B[nf]BL[432.545]
;W[je]WL[992.466]C[hauki [1d?\]: i hope b realizes that when he fails to finish off that stone, o14 will be a dame stone
]
;B[kd]BL[422.944]
;W[jd]WL[988.763]
;B[hc]BL[416.905]
;W[ke]WL[971.233]
;B[le]BL[408.225]
;W[jc]WL[956.404]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: h14 to e13 is cuttable
Uberdude [4d?\]: this means w can even attack after going in middle
]
;B[kg]BL[367.117]
;W[jg]WL[952.741]
;B[jh]BL[362.235]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: so simple moves, w defends so easily
]
;W[ig]WL[944.003]
;B[ih]BL[355.283]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: oh alex played a really nice reducing moyo game on igs for euro teams
Uberdude [4d?\]: http://www.pandanet-igs.com/system/sgfs/596/original/BenjaminP-breakfast.sgf?1318364798
just9x9 [-\]: well, give handi 2 where you should give handi 9 is an easy game for anyone i guess
]
;W[hg]WL[904.492]
;B[hh]BL[347.046]C[Jikolo [-\]: oO
]
;W[gg]WL[895.775]C[just9x9 [-\]: even in simul, but this is for teaching i guess so it's ok
]
;B[rn]BL[326.093]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: yeah, but this is higher level, so it's impressive
]
;W[qn]WL[889.802]
;B[pm]BL[322.937]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: not like 10k vs 25k
]
;W[rk]WL[873.329]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: must g12 
Uberdude [4d?\]: or e13 gonna die and l12 cut wakes up
hauki [1d?\]: predict q10
]
;B[ed]BL[233.616]
;W[ec]WL[862.381]C[vagabundo [3d\]: q9 maybe better?
vagabundo [3d\]: localy
]
;B[dd]BL[227.467]
;W[cd]WL[844]C[misor [4k\]: did breakfast ever lost one of these simul?
]
;B[ee]BL[218.062]
;W[gh]WL[833.589]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: hah, he lived right in the middle in that game
vagabundo [3d\]: game almost over
]
;B[df]BL[199.399]
;W[ce]WL[831.555]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: auto, not just lived
Uberdude [4d?\]: he killed the white moyo at the end
AutoAtari [3k\]: er.. say what? let me see again
AutoAtari [3k\]: oh God
]
;B[rp]BL[107.128]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: that should not be possible
]
;W[ro]WL[818.407]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: against 5d no less
]
;B[np]BL[94.907]C[misor [4k\]: I guessed so...
]
;W[sn]WL[800.867]
;B[qr]BL[92.021]
;W[pr]WL[791.034]
;B[rq]BL[83.236]C[misor [4k\]: 2 handis against 1k looks kind of greedy
]
;W[or]WL[776.601]
;B[qq]BL[81.063]C[vagabundo [3d\]: m2
AutoAtari [3k\]: I guess he tried too hard to kill and forgot to live in the process..
]
;W[lr]WL[739.863]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: he only died in yose because he ignored sente moves
Uberdude [4d?\]: but still breakfast played nice yose
]
;B[kr]BL[51.791]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: using aji well
]
;W[mq]WL[735.005]
;B[lp]BL[42.841]
;W[ms]WL[730.939]C[misor [4k\]: q1 
AutoAtari [3k\]: hm, yeah.. b12 in that game was quite urgent to respond to
breakfast [3p\]: thx
jast [1k\]: thx for the game ^^
])
(;B[rq]C[jast [1k\]: but yeah i agree
]
;W[np]
;B[lo]C[breakfast [3p\]: maybe this?
jast [1k\]: hmm
breakfast [3p\]: keep pressure on the whole group
]))
(;B[rm]C[gooooo [-\]: breakfast, was r7 overplay?
breakfast [3p\]: here B lost a big corner
jast [1k\]: yes but to boring ;)
]))
(;B[cp]
;W[dq]
;B[eq]
;W[ep]
;B[bq]
;W[br]
;B[bp]
;W[fq]
;B[er]
;W[dr]
;B[eo]C[jast [1k\]: hmm
breakfast [3p\]: modern joseki
breakfast [3p\]: B has sente and great shape
jast [1k\]: need to study
]))
