(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[Aveliokun]WR[3p]BR[4d]DT[2011-09-28]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: have a nice game
breakfast [3p\]: Have a good game!
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1790.438]
;W[dd]WL[1794.668]
;B[cp]BL[1787.331]
;W[pp]WL[1771.525]
;B[fc]BL[1779.087]
;W[cf]WL[1761.129]
;B[nq]BL[1774.474]
;W[qn]WL[1757.054]
;B[ep]BL[1720.73]
;W[nc]WL[1726.14]
;B[pc]BL[1688.434]
;W[kc]WL[1693.731]
;B[ic]BL[1684.307]
;W[eb]WL[1686.288]
;B[je]BL[1664.83]
;W[me]WL[1661.497]
;B[jq]BL[1601.863]C[breakfast [3p\]: shall I extend?
]
(;W[fb]WL[1651.194]
;B[dj]BL[1589.765]C[breakfast [3p\]: now it's a promising game for you
Aveliokun [4d\]: this was nice for me I thought
]
;W[jg]WL[1578.835]C[DejMiPivo [7k?\]: heya, whay is he playing simul games? Is this a promotinonal game or something?
yorojongs: i dont know
Hyazinth [6k\]: no hes just too good for just 1 game ;)
Hyperman1 [10k\]: just for Insei players
Hyazinth [6k\]: practice... teaching... 
Hyperman1 [10k\]: and death!
Hyazinth [6k\]: :D
yorojongs: and Pizza !
yorojongs: :D
Hyazinth [6k\]: exactly ;)
Hyazinth [6k\]: read his profile ... he seems to have some kind of contract with kgs
yorojongs: who?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: I like how in both games he's making black think
Hyazinth [6k\]: "contract"
Hyperman1 [10k\]: and he's the one playing simul
]
;B[kb]BL[1157.137]
;W[lc]WL[1544.256]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: the question "who" was not really needed :P
Hyperman1 [10k\]: Breakfast is a very popular guy. He has helped with Private teaching games and comments pro games when played on KGS :)
YamaArashi [4k\]: looks w is already on a killing spree ;)
yorojongs: b shape ugly
]
;B[dg]BL[1114.979]
;W[df]WL[1532.973]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: I thought a lot here
]
(;B[eg]BL[1111.041]C[miao [6d\]: if jump
]
;W[gf]WL[1517.629]
(;B[kg]BL[1103.098]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: with a pro your only hope is to have ungly shapes made good in sente ;)
Hyperman1 [10k\]: ok so that isn't true
Hyperman1 [10k\]: :P
Hyazinth [6k\]: l14 to get out would have been enough i think
]
;W[jf]WL[1476.526]C[breakfast [3p\]: I was happy to get powerful shape here
]
;B[kf]BL[1099.074]C[Nidalee [-\]: l15 would be bad for black
]
;W[ke]WL[1468.238]C[Nidalee [-\]: Every push by w is painful
]
;B[ie]BL[1095.588]C[Nidalee [-\]: l14 *
Hyazinth [6k\]: this result is painful too
]
(;W[kh]WL[1423.723]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: and no real way out left
Hyperman1 [10k\]: black could live down there but then white has tons of influence
yorojongs: ya!
yorojongs: go b!!
Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
yorojongs: lolipop :D
Akamaru [2d\]: i wish i could easily see a way to live like that
Hyperman1 [10k\]: I guess I'd k 12
Hyperman1 [10k\]: for b
vaansama [8k\]: for nothing
Hyperman1 [10k\]: or  well if I were B I'd resign I'd have already lost this
Hyperman1 [10k\]: :P
Hyazinth [6k\]: k12 good for l13 but not that good for j15 i guess
]
;B[hg]BL[979.736]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: true
godango [5k\]: 3p vs 4d with no handicap??
]
;W[lg]WL[1398.171]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: b likes this jump
Aveliokun [4d\]: so maybe L12 is not good
breakfast [3p\]: was a bit soft for W
]
;B[gg]BL[974.526]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: its simultan...
Hyazinth [6k\]: thats why no handicap
Hyperman1 [10k\]: it's simul games
breakfast [3p\]: even game now
]
;W[dq]WL[1390.021]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: he's verse two high up players
Hyazinth [6k\]: time is handicap
godango [5k\]: even simul, surely a pro could beat them with their eyes shut
Hyazinth [6k\]: :D
yorojongs: D3 cool
yorojongs: =D
Hyazinth [6k\]: d3 standard O.o
yorojongs: not
Nidalee [-\]: Not really, another person who naively thinks breakfast is pro strength.
]
;B[eq]BL[942.23]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: d 3 is nice invasion 
yorojongs: yes
yorojongs: a 6k would lose that stone very fast
]
;W[qf]WL[1376.78]C[yorojongs: :D
godango [5k\]: well breakfast is "3p" so apparently pro?
Akamaru [2d\]: another person dissing breakfast, how unusual
Nidalee [-\]: Pro title =/= pro strength.
yorojongs: he is weak pro.. but pro
godango [5k\]: then what does "3p" really mean?
yorojongs: 3 panda
grooviest [5k\]: whatever, what a bloody killjoy
Nidalee [-\]: Not dissing, just stating the truth - he is honorary 3p.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: he's not a weak pro lol 
Nidalee [-\]: Got his rank for promoting Go.
grooviest [5k\]: he's still stronger than most on kgs so what?
Slayan [4k\]: 3 pandaS
Nidalee [-\]: He's about 7d kgs.
CBlue [1d?\]: more like 8d
Nidalee [-\]: And there are of course strong 7ds, he's of course strong.
Hyazinth [6k\]: hes european champ or was... how can he be only 7d?
Nidalee [-\]: Just not really as strong as pros are.
]
;B[no]BL[834.736]
;W[oq]WL[1371.658]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: What I think Nida is getting at is that Breakfast didn't take the pro exam so he's not "official" pro 
Hyperman1 [10k\]: but he helps Kgs a lot comments on pro games and teeaches
Hyazinth [6k\]: there it is again: "what is pro?" ... can we stick to the game pls?^^
Syptryn [3d\]: He is around 8-9d KGS
Syptryn [3d\]: by of course, you drop by about 3 ranks in simul
godango [5k\]: ok, so, why isn't his ranking "8d" instead of "3p"?
Nidalee [-\]: Hyperman, yea, he helps with go a lot. 
Akamaru [2d\]: because he uses his pro rank on this account
Syptryn [3d\]: since he has a pro certificate from Korea
Akamaru [2d\]: pro ranks are not rated on kgs
godango [5k\]: oh
Hyperman1 [10k\]: yea
Hyperman1 [10k\]: but nevertheless he is still strong
Hyperman1 [10k\]: and a bully
Nidalee [-\]: I started this whole debated responding to a comment that breakfast could beat these guys in a simul with his eyes shut.
Nidalee [-\]: debate*
Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
]
;B[pm]BL[676.64]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: yeah alright
Akamaru [2d\]: he was 9d quite awhile when he played with backpast, 9d rank has gone up even more on kgs lately so maybe he would drop to mid-high 8d
]
;W[nr]WL[1357.411]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: i guess he would not play "only" 2 games if he could do this that easily
]
;B[mq]BL[668.326]C[Nidalee [-\]: There was a time aguilar was 9d lol.
]
;W[pn]WL[1350.244]
;B[om]BL[663.088]
;W[re]WL[1346.569]
;B[rd]BL[660.568]
;W[ob]WL[1344.689]
;B[pb]BL[656.785]
;W[qm]WL[1331.238]C[grooviest [5k\]: it's always [-\] who come out with these comments
grooviest [5k\]: w is weak bla bla bla
]
;B[pk]BL[635.654]C[Nidalee [-\]: lol I never said that.
grooviest [5k\]: say [-\]
]
;W[ql]WL[1328.008]C[Akamaru [2d\]: it's always 5k that comments that - come out with such comments, and always 2d that comments on the 5k commenting it
Nidalee [-\]: I said he wasn't pro strength.
]
;B[mk]BL[622.621]C[grooviest [5k\]: thanks for pointing that out
Nidalee [-\]: Does not equal weak. Still can kick my butt all over the board.
fff1212: yea he is not a really pro
breakfast [3p\]: this was good
breakfast [3p\]: very flexible shape
]
;W[bh]WL[1319.057]C[godango [5k\]: that's amazing, akamaru
Hyazinth [6k\]: STOP IT!
Nidalee [-\]: But I can yours, godango, so you know..
]
;B[jk]BL[608.945]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: he could give me 20 handi and close eyes to beat me
breakfast [3p\]: and this
breakfast [3p\]: seems that B is ahead now
Aveliokun [4d\]: here I thought i could win
breakfast [3p\]: yes
]
;W[cq]WL[1312.405]C[godango [5k\]: i actually genuinely didn't know and was asking for real
Slayan [4k\]: what is "a really pro"...
]
;B[dp]BL[602.992]
;W[mr]WL[1295.774]C[Ashleigh [12k\]: Someone strongly in favour
Busta [5k\]: can white win that corner without a ko?
]
;B[lr]BL[593.203]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: i told you we were running into this... pls stop
grooviest [5k\]: his simultaneious games are some of the most enjoyable on kgs to watch imnsho
Akamaru [2d\]: a real pro can give me 80h and still win playing blind go
Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
Akamaru [2d\]: while distracted by... ladies
Hyazinth [6k\]: ithink this corner can be won
]
;W[ck]WL[1264.555]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: 80 is like the whole board lol
Jack12k [7k\]: what u mean a real pro? 1p still pro
]
;B[cj]BL[554.784]C[Akamaru [2d\]: i make 20 ponnuki shapes
Akamaru [2d\]: and they still win
Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
fff1212: kgs 3p = 2d china
Nidalee [-\]: I just don't believe ANY real pro strength would EVER lose to a kgs 1d w/o handi EVEN in a simul.
traindope [1k\]: erm 8d vs 7d :D
grooviest [5k\]: 20 ponnuki = 600 points!!
]
;W[bj]WL[1229.904]
;B[bi]BL[551.792]C[Nidalee [-\]: No matter how sick, high, wasted, sleepy he is.
Jack12k [7k\]: 1p can only give u about 6 to 7 stones, akamaru
]
;W[ci]WL[1211.535]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: but recently I'm, loosing won games
jn3j1: good tesuji
breakfast [3p\]: you know my yose :)
]
;B[bk]BL[548.909]C[Akamaru [2d\]: nidalee, i don't either, but i believe when breakfast might lose such a game, it's because he does not play to win
]
;W[ai]WL[1207.346]
;B[cl]BL[547.091]
;W[bp]WL[1203.026]
;B[bo]BL[544.655]
;W[br]WL[1201.206]C[Jack12k [7k\]: and enough time
Akamaru [2d\]: he plays to teach:) so he plays whatever he thinks can teach his opponent the most
Nidalee [-\]: Still.. it's too  much.
Busta [5k\]: there's the ko!
Jack12k [7k\]: fast game can never win
Hyazinth [6k\]: where is the ko? O.o
fff1212: at a4 a3
Jack12k [7k\]: a4  a3
Hyazinth [6k\]: dont think so
fff1212: its ko idiot...
]
;B[qk]BL[498.115]C[Jack12k [7k\]: else white die
fff1212: now alive
grooviest [5k\]: ay four ay three
Busta [5k\]: lol 6k should know how to take a corner
Hyazinth [6k\]: no if white e2 lives too
Busta [5k\]: nope
Hyperman1 [10k\]: e2 is risky cause d 2 jump
jn3j1: nope
jn3j1: the corner is ko
Aveliokun [4d\]: yep
]
;W[er]WL[1160.323]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: it makes false eyes
Jack12k [7k\]: black play a4 before e2
jn3j1: now not more ko
jn3j1: alive
Busta [5k\]: corner is alive now
]
;B[fr]BL[488.72]
;W[dr]WL[1155.228]C[Jack12k [7k\]: yes, because white play first
Jack12k [7k\]: if black play first then it's a ko
jn3j1: r9 was ridiculous but ok
Busta [5k\]: how does a 6k not know basic corner invasions?
Hyazinth [6k\]: after d2, d1... then?
nickwild [3k\]: j11?
jn3j1: busta i dont know
]
(;B[ii]BL[457.033]C[jn3j1: he might me fake 6k
nickwild [3k\]: :)
jn3j1: be*
]
;W[di]WL[1143.117]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]:  r 9 was good cause white would've taken easily 30 pts there
Nidalee [-\]: I think you're overestimating 6ks.
Hyazinth [6k\]: i learned all by myself...
]
(;B[dk]BL[451.082]C[Busta [5k\]: me too
Hyazinth [6k\]: never did yosekis ...
jn3j1: its a simple corner invasion
jn3j1: 6k should know
grooviest [5k\]: black is calm
jn3j1: thats really shamefull
Aveliokun [4d\]: ok
Aveliokun [4d\]: yes
]
;W[fi]WL[1121.09]
;B[gj]BL[448.529]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: its not :P
Busta [5k\]: but I've studied some joseki and corner invasions at least lol
nightlight [8k\]: this game is so boring 
grooviest [5k\]: it's instructive
]
;W[qi]WL[1102.802]C[nightlight [8k\]: but he made it too easy for black
jn3j1: breakfast is trying to crush b
Busta [5k\]: for an even game, black is doing well
noobnoob [2d\]: ..... breakfast just keep playing 2nd line moves from the beginning to the end
Hyazinth [6k\]: e2 is alive dont see how it should die ...
]
;B[oi]BL[401.899]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: busta that's cause breakfast plays agreeive but still in the same way he does to teach
Hyperman1 [10k\]: aggressive*
jn3j1: no, breakfast is playing at his best.. he is doing very bad =/
jn3j1: weak pro..
Nidalee [-\]: Hyazinth you do realise they are talking about black atari BEFORE white played e2?
noobnoob [2d\]: i am no fan of breakfast
Hyazinth [6k\]: yeah
Hyazinth [6k\]: i still think its alive, dont see it die...
Busta [5k\]: hya... the corner was dead if white didn't force ko
Busta [5k\]: it's dead
Nidalee [-\]: Play it out if you can't read it out.
jn3j1: yes dead
grooviest [5k\]: you prefer brunch?
]
;W[ff]WL[1026.407]C[grooviest [5k\]: it not quite breakfast, it's not quite lunch
grooviest [5k\]: and it comes with a canteloupe
Hyazinth [6k\]: tell me the killing move after d2 d1
lehman [2k\]: b lose
]
(;B[fg]BL[325.162]C[grooviest [5k\]: d2 d1 d0
grooviest [5k\]: sneaky off board move
godango [5k\]: hmm w needs to do something about centre, no?
]
;W[hd]WL[981.167]LB[id:B][hf:A]C[grooviest [5k\]: h16 is touble
Hyazinth [6k\]: i played it out about 4 times - i just dont see it die.... living small but never die
Hyperman1 [10k\]: white should've tried h 3 way before but now too hard to
breakfast [3p\]: trouble now
breakfast [3p\]: miai
Aveliokun [4d\]: also I lot of points in the ko
breakfast [3p\]: W has lot of threats, so ko you found was not an acceptable solution
]
;B[ef]BL[297.794]C[iiCal [5k\]: Hya show the moves u make it alive here..
]
;W[fd]WL[923.215]C[Hyazinth [6k\]: after d2 ... d1... and then? if b c2 c1 dead and alive at one side at least... and if b f2 c2 and alive
Busta [5k\]: hya
traindope [1k\]: you can ctrl+left click
jn3j1: someone open a game for show to hyazinth.. this is irritating
jn3j1: please open someone a game and show w is dead
jn3j1: thx
Nidalee [-\]: I don't understand where you get d2 d1..?
Nidalee [-\]: B will of course block e2 at f2
BeaRFreaK [2k\]: where w is dead?
Busta [5k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?4463Enclosure
Busta [5k\]: there
Hyperman1 [10k\]: bear they are talking about lower left corner
Hyperman1 [10k\]: if black had b 4 like
jn3j1: bearkfreak when w played b2... it was ko in a4
Hyperman1 [10k\]: 35-40 moves ago
BeaRFreaK [2k\]: oh
Hyperman1 [10k\]: it's be ko to life
BeaRFreaK [2k\]: yes
jn3j1: a guy is saying issnt kjo and is alive
jn3j1: but its a ko
jn3j1: :|
Hyperman1 [10k\]: but black answered with r9 (still big)
jn3j1: its a basic corner ko
jn3j1: ........
Hyperman1 [10k\]: w wins due to time?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: :P
]
;B[ed]BL[3.754]C[jn3j1: lol e15 and ladder
grooviest [5k\]: g16
Hyperman1 [10k\]: you mean b e 15? can't b just d 15?
jn3j1: w
]
;W[gc]WL[863.851]C[jn3j1: :D
jn3j1: ko g17...
jn3j1: ok g17*
jn3j1: xD
Hyperman1 [10k\]: :)
jn3j1: ok*********
jn3j1: rofl
Nidalee [-\]: jn, you're Japanese?)
jn3j1: not
jn3j1: i just use random nicknames
jn3j1: xDDDDDD
Nidalee [-\]: It's not 'cause of nickname) I thought 'cause you said "w" =p
]
;B[fe]BL[60]OB[5]C[jn3j1: :o
]
;W[ge]WL[857.481]C[Nidalee [-\]: Which is like our "lol" for them)
breakfast [3p\]: hard for B to win now
breakfast [3p\]: I have too many ko threats
breakfast [3p\]: any Q on this game?
OneEyedJoe [5k?\]: why W didn't play E17 instead of ficghting the ko ?
chingoo [3d\]: thank very much
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol!
jn3j1: ah
moridark [4k\]: die
Busta [5k\]: gonna be a crazy ko
]
(;W[fq]WL[823.654]
;B[gr]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[820.975]C[patcher [1k\]: e17 ?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: yeah white has crap load of ko's
go1d [6d\]: ????
go1d [6d\]: why not e17 ?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: cause that would've ended ko?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: right?
go1d [6d\]: and f3 makes white loses points
]
;B[kd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Toponovic5: biggest ko are the last ones
jn3j1: um bozo
]
;W[lf]WL[800.778]C[go1d [6d\]: oh i'm stupid w want to cut at j16
Hyperman1 [10k\]: l 16 no need to answrr
jn3j1: lol gold
Hyperman1 [10k\]: ?
jn3j1: ur stupid
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[jn3j1: =/
]
;W[gq]WL[798.685]
;B[hr]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[795.815]
;B[ap]BL[60]OB[5]C[jn3j1: i said that
jn3j1: u said that*
]
;W[bq]WL[789.011]C[jn3j1: xD
messil [?\]: what is ko?>_<
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Toponovic5: a guy from KOrea
jn3j1: ko?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: m 3
]
;W[co]WL[776.699]C[patcher [1k\]: w is joking ?
grooviest [5k\]: j16?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: c 5 is actually big jo and I didn't see itt
Hyperman1 [10k\]: bad me lol
Hyperman1 [10k\]: ko**
patcher [1k\]: maybe trying to win smthing with ko threats
]
;B[bn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[761.249]C[dsmic [12k?\]: why does w not play e17 instead of f16?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: if I were black I'd let him live
Busta [5k\]: black has the corner to threat.. maybe that group on the top right
Hyperman1 [10k\]: before he takes that L shape
Hyperman1 [10k\]: d 4 group
jn3j1: i want pizza...
hyuend [1k\]: no
Nidalee [-\]: dsmic, w wants to cut black at j16.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: bklack still has kos but white is happier with this ko
]
;B[pg]BL[60]OB[5]C[Busta [5k\]: there he goes
]
;W[pf]WL[753.357]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cn]WL[735.813]
;B[cm]BL[60]OB[5]C[bluetable [-\]: astonishing result
]
;W[fd]WL[733.299]
;B[cg]BL[60]OB[5]C[Busta [5k\]: is it just me or is it looking dangerous for that top right corner?
]
;W[bg]WL[725.092]C[dsmic [12k?\]: thx
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[eo]WL[722.821]
;B[fp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[719.875]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: hmm will be hard but white could easily hurt that in Ko also by s 18
]
;B[of]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[oe]WL[714.198]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Toponovic5: D15 good KO for black?
Toponovic5: *ko treat
]
;W[bm]WL[700.165]
;B[bl]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: no
godango [5k\]: breakfast beat nickless
Toponovic5: why not hyperman?
Nidalee [-\]: That's what you get for having no nick.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol he's going to teach while still playing this game
godango [5k\]: haha yeah
Hyperman1 [10k\]: D 15 is a ko but it's small
Busta [5k\]: not small at all
Nidalee [-\]: Not because of that, Hyperman.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: white could ignore and still stop black from taking that top left corner
Nidalee [-\]: It becomes double ko, unwinnable for b.
Toponovic5: if white ignores it black C15 puts C14 group in atari and black goes inside
Hyperman1 [10k\]: well yes
Hyperman1 [10k\]: that too actually
Hyperman1 [10k\]: hate double kos
]
;W[fd]WL[561.622]
;B[pr]BL[60]OB[5]C[Busta [5k\]: nice
]
;W[or]WL[552.167]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ao]WL[529.944]
;B[am]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[527.459]
;B[qq]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rp]WL[500.073]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: hmm black wants to smake small life at bot. right?
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: make*
Busta [5k\]: just a ko threat
cata [3k\]: if w ignores, yeah
messil [?\]: complex....=n=
patcher [1k\]: i really dont get whats white's plan
]
;W[gp]WL[472.086]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: yep gotta love ko's
]
;B[fo]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[469.469]C[Busta [5k\]: kill black
]
;B[qp]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
]
;W[ro]WL[454.38]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: m 3 still can be ko
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fn]WL[446.325]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[444.421]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: white's plan is to invade black's center while making sente Ko moves
KillerX [3k\]: LOL
Hyperman1 [10k\]: that b also has to answer
KillerX [3k\]: black has to give this ko up
KillerX [3k\]: g5  has too many threats...
]
;B[op]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: yupp white has too many Ko threats
]
;W[pq]WL[423.74]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: p 4 was nice though
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[patcher [1k\]: no
]
;W[ho]WL[417.96]C[patcher [1k\]: p5 for w now ?
Toponovic5: D6?
]
;B[hp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[415.954]
;B[po]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[qo]WL[413.28]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ej]WL[390.586]C[patcher [1k\]: what has w to gain with this ko ?
sfgss [2d\]: e17 no ko
]
;B[ek]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[388.331]C[Busta [5k\]: a lot fo points
bluetable [-\]: lol, undo?
KillerX [3k\]: white gains points
Nidalee [-\]: It IS ko.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: just to invade b's center
]
;B[es]BL[60]OB[5]C[patcher [1k\]: i mean
Nidalee [-\]: W's goal in this ko is to cut at j16.
patcher [1k\]: when b has no kothreats anymore, be15
]
;W[cs]WL[362.246]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[felix24 [4k\]: why j16.. j14 better..
]
;W[fj]WL[354.224]
;B[fk]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[352.295]
;B[oo]BL[60]OB[5]C[KillerX [3k\]: shouldnt black j14 ?
]
;W[qr]WL[332.322]C[Toponovic5: R2
KillerX [3k\]: why p5 
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[KillerX [3k\]: oh i see
]
;W[gn]WL[316.691]
;B[hq]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[315.32]C[Lola [-\]: S2
Hyperman1 [10k\]: I'd still m 3 as white later on
Hyperman1 [10k\]: not bad but still should be answered
KillerX [3k\]: m3 dosnt work
Hyperman1 [10k\]: no?
KillerX [3k\]: maybe for a ko though but, it's not "that" big
godango [5k\]: m3 is the stupidest thing i've ever heard of
Dana [3k\]: s2
KillerX [3k\]: godango be nice.
Busta [5k\]: lol
Busta [5k\]: it was funny
Hyperman1 [10k\]: doesn't weaken n 3 group?
]
;B[rr]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rq]WL[306.187]C[Dana [3k\]: : )
godango [5k\]: ahahaha
]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]C[godango [5k\]: yea hit was funny
godango [5k\]: busta gets it
]
;W[on]WL[296.23]
;B[nn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fd]WL[293.589]C[godango [5k\]: this ko has been going on from like freakin' 47 minutes
Nidalee [-\]: Ko for over 80 moves now.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: there's still much more
jn3j1: :D
KillerX [3k\]: ........ wow seriously? lol
KillerX [3k\]: crazy
Busta [5k\]: not really
Hyperman1 [10k\]: well for white there is
Hyperman1 [10k\]: black Im not so sure
Busta [5k\]: the ko will end soon
yevb [12k\]: longest ko ever lol
patcher [1k\]: i think im not so far from understanding why this ko is happening
KillerX [3k\]: can white play s18 ?
]
;B[og]BL[60]OB[5]C[Busta [5k\]: that's what I was thinking
hyuend [1k\]: .......
godango [5k\]: hmm it sems like w is so far behind anyway that whoever wins the ko, b wins
Hyperman1 [10k\]: yup 
Hyperman1 [10k\]: it's also ko
]
;W[pe]WL[268.082]
;B[gd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rb]WL[261.851]C[godango [5k\]: .....right
Busta [5k\]: um
KillerX [3k\]: uh
Toponovic5: ignore
Hyperman1 [10k\]: whit'e's got like 10 more ones that I can see
hyuend [1k\]: damn s18 is annoying
Busta [5k\]: if white wins the ko, white is ahead
KillerX [3k\]: white isnt going to lose
KillerX [3k\]: lol
]
;B[sb]BL[60]OB[5]C[jn3j1: S18 FTW
]
;W[fd]WL[258.861]C[godango [5k\]: um dead anyway??
Hyperman1 [10k\]: no that top right isn't dead ... yet
Busta [5k\]: they know more than me for sure >.>
godango [5k\]: kos are usually exciting but this ko is the most boring thing i've ever seen in my life
Hyperman1 [10k\]: b just needs  s 19
Hyperman1 [10k\]: to live
]
;B[if]BL[60]OB[5]C[hisacf [6k\]: r13 
hyuend [1k\]: ahh b give up
Nidalee [-\]: No
Busta [5k\]: not over
]
;W[id]WL[228.122]C[patcher [1k\]: internal ko threat ?
]
;B[rh]BL[60]OB[5]C[Nidalee [-\]: But smaller now
Hyperman1 [10k\]: not up yet white still wants b to use it so white can hurt more
KillerX [3k\]: s11 ?
Nidalee [-\]: Anyways this ko was kinda unwinnable from the start.
]
;W[qh]WL[207.91]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
]
;B[ri]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[qg]WL[201.562]
;B[jd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jc]WL[199.69]C[Busta [5k\]: continue ko!
Hyperman1 [10k\]: lol
]
;B[ee]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ec]WL[196.413]C[Busta [5k\]: bawww
Hyperman1 [10k\]: white really doesn't need to now
patcher [1k\]: b gained nice boarder in the low right ?
messil [?\]: ah!
]
;B[rk]BL[60]OB[5]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: shouldn't b s 19 just to be safe?
KillerX [3k\]: is black even alive on the top right?
]
;W[gi]WL[159.914]C[Hyperman1 [10k\]: if b does s 19 it will be
Hyperman1 [10k\]:  t 1 eye and killing  s 18
Busta [5k\]: >.>
Hyperman1 [10k\]: t 19*
KillerX [3k\]: well duh
KillerX [3k\]: actually
KillerX [3k\]: no
KillerX [3k\]: it would be a ko
KillerX [3k\]: <.<
jn3j1: <.>
Hyperman1 [10k\]: yea
patcher [1k\]: h11 ?
Lola [-\]: why he doesn't see that...
jn3j1: haha
Hyperman1 [10k\]: it would make another ko either for death or seki as I see it now
jn3j1: i just want eat some pizza
]
;B[de]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ce]WL[156.263]C[jn3j1: lets eat pizza?
cambodia [10k\]: w tring to cut at j12...?
Toponovic5: because he is a low pro
jn3j1: he is weak pro
jn3j1: but ok
Toponovic5: lol
KillerX [3k\]: that's rude.
Hyperman1 [10k\]: he's trying to teqach also
RoaRMoN [?\]: jn3j1
RoaRMoN [?\]: your not pro
patcher [1k\]: quiet win i think
Busta [5k\]: you're*
chingoo [3d\]: pro just play for win
KillerX [3k\]: That's not true either.
chingoo [3d\]: not killing all
KillerX [3k\]: lol
Busta [5k\]: I play for win too
Hyperman1 [10k\]: hee could be one of those players who just want to win by a little
jn3j1: thx
breakfast [3p\]: thx
Busta [5k\]: that makes me pro?
hyuend [1k\]: good game
breakfast [3p\]: was a good fuseki for B
Busta [5k\]: why resign?
asdsdd: thx
Aveliokun [4d\]: thanks
])
(;W[ec]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: it was nice
]
;B[he]
;W[fd]
;B[jc]C[OneEyedJoe [5k?\]: ok
OneEyedJoe [5k?\]: thx
breakfast [3p\]: see you again!
Aveliokun [4d\]: see you 
Aveliokun [4d\]: today for me
Aveliokun [4d\]: xD
chingoo [3d\]: Avelio
chingoo [3d\]: how we can play with breakfast
Busta [5k\]: he has a website
Hyperman1 [10k\]: you either pay or be in the Insei league
Busta [5k\]: he charges a lot
jn3j1: just pay him
jn3j1: xD
Busta [5k\]: but I guess not as much as most pros
chingoo [3d\]: any idea how much?
Hyperman1 [10k\]: says in his profile
Hyperman1 [10k\]: right?
Busta [5k\]: http://breakfast.go4go.net/
chingoo [3d\]: thank u^^
Busta [5k\]: black should have won
Busta [5k\]: he was doing well
Hyperman1 [10k\]: h 13 is dead though
Hyperman1 [10k\]: well at leasst some of it
Busta [5k\]: no
Busta [5k\]: not at this stage
Hyperman1 [10k\]: not here
Hyperman1 [10k\]: I mean at end
Busta [5k\]: black was stubborn about the ko fight
Hyperman1 [10k\]: where b resigned
Hyperman1 [10k\]: yup
Busta [5k\]: if there was any ko to fight over, it would have been the bottom left corner
Hyperman1 [10k\]: top left also?
]))
(;B[ig]C[breakfast [3p\]: have to give up 2 stones
Aveliokun [4d\]: I thought i could conect
breakfast [3p\]: B will be still fine
Aveliokun [4d\]: I think that is the loosing move
breakfast [3p\]: yes
breakfast [3p\]: it was
KillerX [3k\]: j14 ?
]))
(;B[ej]C[breakfast [3p\]: extend here
]))
(;B[qh]C[jn3j1: r9 really big?
]
;W[of]LB[pe:A]C[breakfast [3p\]: this exchange first?
Aveliokun [4d\]: I was afraid of the corner
breakfast [3p\]: no way to kill
Aveliokun [4d\]: ok
breakfast [3p\]: A is sente, so
breakfast [3p\]: it's safe
]))
(;W[hg]C[breakfast [3p\]: but maybe have to be more active
breakfast [3p\]: can force B to live inside
Aveliokun [4d\]: yes
]))
(;B[ig]C[breakfast [3p\]: how about this?
breakfast [3p\]: for sabaki
]
;W[if]
;B[jf]
;W[ih]
;B[hg]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: yes better
]))
(;B[fg]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: better
breakfast [3p\]: jump maybe?
breakfast [3p\]: yes
breakfast [3p\]: supports your group
miao [6d\]: g14 aji?
]))
(;W[dk]LB[id:A]C[Aveliokun [4d\]: I think
breakfast [3p\]: my move in real game is a bit slow
Aveliokun [4d\]: it also attacks j17
breakfast [3p\]: yes
breakfast [3p\]: I can try A next
]))
