(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[roussos]PB[SeoulPhoto]WR[3k]BR[6k]DT[2010-09-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[roussos [3k\]: hi
roussos [3k\]: sorry for delay
roussos [3k\]: enjoy the game
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: have a good game
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: D Div Insei League
]RE[W+14.50]
;B[pd]BL[1781.612]
;W[dp]WL[1780.7]
;B[pq]BL[1774.783]
;W[po]WL[1747.524]C[roussos [3k\]: q5 is questionable
]
;B[pm]BL[1767.652]
;W[dd]WL[1739.32]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: i wasn't sure how to punish your tennuki
]
(;B[fq]BL[1759.568]
;W[ip]WL[1720.927]
(;B[cq]BL[1742.601]
;W[dq]WL[1714.463]
;B[cp]BL[1740.466]
;W[do]WL[1709.853]
;B[dr]BL[1735.715]
;W[er]WL[1708.54]
;B[cr]BL[1734.843]
;W[eq]WL[1707.123]
;B[cn]BL[1733.017]
;W[fp]WL[1705.397]C[roussos [3k\]: Q5 has some support now
roussos [3k\]: @i think@
]
;B[nq]BL[1715.175]
;W[no]WL[1697.217]
;B[nm]BL[1712.559]
(;W[qp]WL[1693.683]C[roussos [3k\]: this is 10k move probably :)
]
;B[qq]BL[1708.59]C[roussos [3k\]: This group was weak and painful for me
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: wouldn't it have been better to just jump?
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: to M5
roussos [3k\]: enough punishment for my tenuki :)
]
;W[pn]WL[1641.065]
;B[qm]BL[1682.098]
;W[nc]WL[1599.961]
;B[pf]BL[1626.174]
;W[jd]WL[1566.787]
;B[cf]BL[1604.147]
;W[di]WL[1548.799]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: if i go N5 now can't i kill that lower right group?
]
(;B[fc]BL[1599.652]
;W[df]WL[1540.805]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: well, 6k + 3k = 9 hehehe
roussos [3k\]: at least I realised I was playing crappy, so I moved elsewhere
]
;B[cc]BL[1596.276]
;W[dc]WL[1532.574]
;B[db]BL[1575.927]
;W[eb]WL[1529.805]
;B[cb]BL[1574.546]
;W[ec]WL[1526.923]
;B[cd]BL[1573.431]
;W[cg]WL[1499.168]
;B[bf]BL[1560.199]
;W[fd]WL[1351.961]
;B[ce]BL[1547.327]
(;W[lq]WL[1343.068]
;B[mp]BL[1514.357]
(;W[mn]WL[1332.55]
;B[lp]BL[1511.554]
;W[kp]WL[1328.837]
;B[ko]BL[1507.767]
;W[kq]WL[1286.256]
;B[lo]BL[1496.267]
;W[op]WL[1223.159]
;B[oq]BL[1480.285]
;W[jo]WL[1187.898]
;B[nn]BL[1461.691]
;W[em]WL[1179.345]C[roussos [3k\]: one more
roussos [3k\]: here
roussos [3k\]: unnecessary
]
(;B[mo]BL[1449.463]C[roussos [3k\]: In my opinion a useless move
]
;W[cm]WL[1176.204]C[roussos [3k\]: here is N5 now
]
;B[co]BL[1446.636]
;W[bm]WL[1152.809]
;B[dn]BL[1444.514]
;W[en]WL[1150.984]
;B[dm]BL[1442.896]
;W[dl]WL[1148.699]
;B[bn]BL[1438.117]
;W[cl]WL[1132.136]
;B[de]BL[1393.911]
;W[ef]WL[958.828]
;B[ee]BL[1382.864]
;W[fe]WL[951.342]
;B[fb]BL[1370.382]
;W[gc]WL[902.87]
;B[ed]BL[1349.457]
;W[gb]WL[900.428]
;B[ea]BL[1348.419]
;W[pb]WL[797.495]
;B[ff]BL[1325.732]
;W[bg]WL[753.691]
;B[fg]BL[1306.921]
;W[dg]WL[747.519]C[rayheart [2k\]: could you give me control 1 more time
rayheart [2k\]: ?
]
(;B[he]BL[1294.217]
;W[hd]WL[740.424]
;B[ge]BL[1288.29]C[rayheart [2k\]: and playing n15
]
;W[gd]WL[736.914]
(;B[ie]BL[1275.269]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: but i was afraid white influence could make big terrirory in center
rayheart [2k\]: yeah
]
(;W[le]WL[730.839]C[rayheart [2k\]: thats why you play n15
]
;B[je]BL[1260.551]C[roussos [3k\]: oh they are moving...
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: oh you may be right
roussos [3k\]: page is not accessible right now
roussos [3k\]: anyway - gotta go
roussos [3k\]: cu guys
roussos [3k\]: thanks
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: thanks
rayheart [2k\]: cU
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: on to my next victim
]
;W[kd]WL[725.657]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: i'm still 9 of 12 looks good to me :-)
]
;B[fi]BL[1247.324]
(;W[jm]WL[714.751]
;B[fk]BL[1242.176]C[roussos [3k\]: it seems to me that games are missing
]
;W[gh]WL[705.457]
;B[fh]BL[1238.382]
;W[jj]WL[688.98]
;B[ih]BL[1231.561]
;W[lg]WL[652.237]
;B[hj]BL[1216.253]
;W[ph]WL[624.199]
(;B[pj]BL[1202.558]
;W[oi]WL[617.023]
;B[ng]BL[1191.906]
;W[qe]WL[592.637]
;B[qf]BL[1181.383]
;W[pe]WL[587.019]
;B[oe]BL[1179.448]
;W[qd]WL[585.802]
;B[od]BL[1174.275]
;W[qc]WL[581.744]C[rayheart [2k\]: Could you give you some advise seoul
]
;B[qh]BL[1168.9]C[rayheart [2k\]: have you study forms?
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: yes, sir
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: joseki
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: ?
rayheart [2k\]: like tables or
rayheart [2k\]: good and bad shape?
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: i have plent of books, hehehe
roussos [3k\]: what do you recommend ray?
rayheart [2k\]: Well
rayheart [2k\]: roussos could yo give me control?
]
;W[qi]WL[571.545]
;B[pi]BL[1164.094]
;W[qg]WL[569.102]
;B[rh]BL[1161.769]
;W[pg]WL[562.994]
;B[rg]BL[1146.429]
;W[of]WL[544.57]
;B[rf]BL[1143.097]
;W[nf]WL[535.478]
;B[oh]BL[1116.191]
;W[og]WL[529.445]
;B[nh]BL[1114.249]
;W[oj]WL[520.822]
;B[mf]BL[1078.663]
;W[ne]WL[509.277]
;B[me]BL[1076.28]
;W[nd]WL[507.26]
;B[mg]BL[1072.069]
;W[lf]WL[479.818]
;B[ni]BL[1057.697]
;W[pk]WL[476.062]
;B[qj]BL[1055.614]
;W[qk]WL[474.401]
;B[rj]BL[1052.5]
;W[nk]WL[446.102]
;B[nj]BL[1045.849]
;W[ok]WL[442.836]
;B[lh]BL[944.747]
;W[kh]WL[415.783]
;B[li]BL[933.783]
;W[lk]WL[383.351]
;B[mk]BL[898.099]
;W[ml]WL[302.881]
;B[mj]BL[869.241]
;W[nl]WL[298.606]
;B[ki]BL[645.052]
;W[ji]WL[265.169]
;B[jh]BL[640.823]
;W[kg]WL[253.384]
;B[kk]BL[508.392]
(;W[kl]WL[143.659]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: here i was no longer trying to kill you, only stay alive
]
;B[lj]BL[495.162]
;W[jk]WL[130.322]
;B[ll]BL[486.501]
(;W[mm]WL[129.512]C[roussos [3k\]: yes it was interesting
roussos [3k\]: this move
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: that was for sure, had me scratching my head
]
;B[km]BL[471.975]
;W[jl]WL[119.423]
;B[lm]BL[468.065]
;W[om]WL[117.228]
;B[np]BL[391.587]
;W[on]WL[96.653]
;B[rl]BL[386.109]
;W[rk]WL[86.556]
;B[sk]BL[382.454]
;W[rq]WL[82.711]
;B[rr]BL[379.181]
;W[rp]WL[46.311]
;B[md]BL[371.357]
;W[mc]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ld]BL[366.432]
;W[lc]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ke]BL[356.658]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[id]BL[347.47]
;W[ic]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fl]BL[315.15]
;W[gm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[pp]BL[306.349]
;W[sr]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[qr]BL[302.435]
;W[rn]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[qn]BL[291.55]
;W[rm]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ql]BL[280.936]
;W[pl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[sj]BL[265.627]
;W[qo]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[sl]BL[263.228]
;W[ii]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hh]BL[252.989]
;W[hi]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gi]BL[250.442]
;W[an]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ao]BL[246.986]
;W[am]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[es]BL[245.012]
;W[fs]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ds]BL[243.388]
;W[gq]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[mr]BL[238.814]
;W[ls]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[lr]BL[235.658]
;W[kr]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ms]BL[233.531]
;W[ks]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jc]BL[213.34]
;W[jb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kc]BL[209.989]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ib]BL[206.849]
;W[ia]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[hc]BL[196.763]
;W[ha]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ja]BL[190.226]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[lb]BL[187.813]
;W[mb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[fa]BL[185.809]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ic]BL[183.195]
;W[la]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[dj]BL[174.996]
;W[cj]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[dk]BL[155.088]
;W[ck]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ej]BL[146.081]
;W[se]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sf]BL[135.251]
;W[re]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sn]BL[131.029]
;W[mq]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[nr]BL[123.087]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[lk]BL[121.046]
;W[so]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sm]BL[118.503]
;W[gk]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[gj]BL[113.102]
;W[hk]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ei]BL[110.395]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ro]BL[99.692]
;W[rn]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[sq]BL[96.894]
;W[sp]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[fm]BL[89.531]
;W[fn]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[el]BL[85.993]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ag]BL[73.605]
;W[ah]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[af]BL[72.086]
;W[bi]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ij]BL[70.447]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[rs]BL[68.931]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ln]BL[66.83]
;W[jn]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ss]BL[45.171]
;W[sq]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[rm]BL[28.462]
;W[ap]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[bo]BL[20.063]
;W[ar]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[bs]BL[6.169]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[bq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[aq]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ro]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[si]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ri]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[rn]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ga]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ja]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ro]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[]BL[30]OB[3]TW[ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][lb][nb][ob][qb][rb][sb][oc][pc][rc][sc][od][pd][rd][sd][oe][bh][ch][ai][ci][aj][bj][ak][bk][al][bl][hl][il][ol][hm][im][nm][gn][hn][in][nn][eo][fo][go][ho][io][ep][gp][hp][jp][fq][hq][iq][jq][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][gs][hs][is][js]TB[aa][ba][ca][da][ab][bb][eb][ac][bc][dc][ec][ad][bd][dd][jd][kd][ae][be][le][gf][hf][if][jf][kf][lf][gg][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][sg][gh][kh][mh][sh][mi][qi][si][fj][ek][or][pr][ns][os][ps][qs]C[roussos [3k\]: haha, we left the ko open :)
roussos [3k\]: thanks for the game
roussos [3k\]: you played excellent end game
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: thank you
])
(;W[lm]C[roussos [3k\]: this was perhaps more interesting for white
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: ko
roussos [3k\]: why ko?
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: BN7
]
;B[mm]
;W[om]
;B[ln]
;W[lk]
;B[on]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: my group's dead then
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: and game is lost 
roussos [3k\]: I risked a lot with my decision it seems
roussos [3k\]: I think you played MUCh better than last time
roussos [3k\]: you improved
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: back it up further to where we started this mess
]))
(;W[kj]
;B[lj]
;W[ll]))
(;B[og]C[rayheart [2k\]: maybe attack
]))
(;W[hg]))
(;W[hh])
(;W[hg]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: ouch
rayheart [2k\]: this is SO important
roussos [3k\]: btw, did you guys notice something wrong with the results on the D league page?
rayheart [2k\]: you cannot make this shape
]
;B[gg]
;W[je]C[SeoulPhoto [6k\]: black's in big trouble
rayheart [2k\]: Now black dont have eyes
]))
(;B[hg]C[rayheart [2k\]: That shepe is alive
]))
(;B[if]C[roussos [3k\]: something lighter?
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: i see
roussos [3k\]: seems good to me for b
roussos [3k\]: ray?
rayheart [2k\]: :)?
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: i keep getting in trouble invading and living
rayheart [2k\]: yi would play taht way
rayheart [2k\]: or just abandon that stones
])
(;B[md])
(;B[me]C[rayheart [2k\]: 15*
rayheart [2k\]: moyo game
roussos [3k\]: looks good for b
rayheart [2k\]: if white try to kill blac
rayheart [2k\]: the black moyo is heuge
]
;W[ld]
;B[jj]TR[pn][no][po][op][qp]C[rayheart [2k\]: m15 was kikashi
rayheart [2k\]: :)
roussos [3k\]: big moyo
rayheart [2k\]: i wouuld prefer to be black
rayheart [2k\]: coause he has f16
roussos [3k\]: these stones were wasted by 2
roussos [3k\]: W
]))
(;B[ss]
;W[mo]C[roussos [3k\]: yes
rayheart [2k\]: give me control :)
roussos [3k\]: my point is that N5 seems unnecessary for b
]
;B[lm]C[rayheart [2k\]: doesnt work
roussos [3k\]: hi ray
rayheart [2k\]: hi
roussos [3k\]: you mean M7?
rayheart [2k\]: yeah
roussos [3k\]: N5
]
;W[mm]
;B[ml]
;W[ln]C[roussos [3k\]: yes yes
roussos [3k\]: that's clear
]
;B[km]
;W[kn]
;B[jn]C[roussos [3k\]: go back
]
;W[jm]C[roussos [3k\]: to N5
])
(;B[lm]C[roussos [3k\]: b N5
])
(;B[cm]C[rayheart [2k\]: why
rayheart [2k\]: whitout n5
rayheart [2k\]: white alive
rayheart [2k\]: yeah :)
roussos [3k\]: back
rayheart [2k\]: taht yes
]
;W[mo]
;B[lm]
;W[ln]
;B[kn]
;W[mm]
;B[ml]
;W[ll]
;B[km]
;W[nl]
;B[mk]
;W[om]C[roussos [3k\]: there is better move though
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: :-)
roussos [3k\]: Like M7 before n5?
])
(;B[ll]C[roussos [3k\]: exactly - tnx :)
rayheart [2k\]: yhis is teh correct way
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: ah okay
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: great point
rayheart [2k\]: and the match rigth know is unclear
rayheart [2k\]: i give back control
]))
(;W[de]C[roussos [3k\]: maybe now
]))
(;W[de]C[roussos [3k\]: seems vERY important
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: :-)
roussos [3k\]: I wanted to play it
roussos [3k\]: yet I didn't feel ok to waste a move
roussos [3k\]: probably I was wrong
]))
(;B[ef]C[roussos [3k\]: again, maybe this?
])
(;B[cc]C[roussos [3k\]: this?
])
(;B[mo]C[roussos [3k\]: I am not sure it's worth it
roussos [3k\]: I wouldnt respond to that anyway
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: yah, not at this point anyway
roussos [3k\]: I decided to leave the group
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: too small
roussos [3k\]: nevertheless, a loss for white
]))
(;W[lo]
;B[oo]
;W[op]
;B[on]C[roussos [3k\]: probably you are right
roussos [3k\]: not good for black to cut
SeoulPhoto [6k\]: :-) 
roussos [3k\]: still not learned these things
]))
(;B[fo]C[roussos [3k\]: I think first jump
roussos [3k\]: you also exert pressure on J4
]
;W[cn]
;B[dr]))
(;B[np]C[roussos [3k\]: maybe this
]))
