(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[smalltree]PB[xDragon]WR[8k]BR[8k]DT[2010-01-18]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+0.50]
;B[pd]BL[1797.836]C[xDragon [8k?\]: hi insei league
smalltree [8k?\]: hi, good game
]
;W[dp]WL[1782.549]
;B[cd]BL[1787.772]
;W[pp]WL[1764.37]
;B[ic]BL[1781.019]
;W[qj]WL[1711.044]
(;B[jq]BL[1760.173]LB[cn:A][nq:B]C[Andromedan [2k\]: that's a bit unusual at this stage, but nothing big
xDragon [8k?\]: was worried bout that area most the game. thought more shoulda happened there than what happened. ah well
xDragon [8k?\]: thought about c6 but didnt want to turn it into that kind of game
Andromedan [2k\]: well,
Andromedan [2k\]: both C6 and O3 play a move that is bigger and more positive than the one played
Andromedan [2k\]: it's not just a question of what you want
Andromedan [2k\]: but wqhat the position wants too
sinprejic [2k\]: hehe black leads if c6, w f3 c10... perfect chinese
]
;W[cj]WL[1679.044]
;B[fq]BL[1728.658]
;W[qf]WL[1628.269]
;B[nd]BL[1680.85]
;W[rd]WL[1572.443]
;B[cn]BL[1663.556]LB[dn:B][eo:C][fp:A][cq:D]C[xDragon [8k?\]: usually its C or D thats played, usually C
Andromedan [2k\]: A B C or D are all played. With A and B being the most common
Andromedan [2k\]: so then D prepares to cut and fight
Andromedan [2k\]: in the case  sinprejic was reffering to
]
;W[fp]WL[1549.968]C[sinprejic [2k\]: Well, all I know is when I played chinese opening regularly, I used to win every time I got that type of formation :) (and I didn't misread something silly)
Andromedan [2k\]: makes sense, most kyus (me included) aren't very good at reducing or invading
Andromedan [2k\]: heh
Andromedan [2k\]: f4? it's one of the common responses to the double approach to the 4-4
Andromedan [2k\]: you've never seen it?
xDragon [8k?\]: yea, i just dont see it in my games tho
Andromedan [2k\]: ah
Andromedan [2k\]: so
Andromedan [2k\]: lets see
sinprejic [2k\]: D is usually reserved for when k3 is white (or similar)
Andromedan [2k\]: right
Andromedan [2k\]: hmm
Andromedan [2k\]: actually the more common attachment against the 3 space pincer-double approach is the other one
Andromedan [2k\]: but this one:
]
;B[gp]BL[1650.885]
;W[fo]WL[1545.948]C[Andromedan [2k\]: so far so good
Andromedan [2k\]: :)
Andromedan [2k\]: decide on what is more importan
Andromedan [2k\]: t
xDragon [8k?\]: g3 felt wrong when i played it
]
(;B[gq]BL[1630.137]C[Andromedan [2k\]: you defended directly
Andromedan [2k\]: try to get more
Andromedan [2k\]: this, you play if you have to
Andromedan [2k\]: if there's no active way of defending
]
;W[eq]WL[1518.336]
;B[nq]BL[1557.228]C[xDragon [8k?\]: i didnt know how to respond to f4
]
;W[pn]WL[1482.361]
;B[pr]BL[1477.352]
;W[dm]WL[1471.636]
;B[er]BL[1439.586]
;W[dr]WL[1465.937]
;B[cq]BL[1372.664]
(;W[fr]WL[1433.557]
;B[cp]BL[1336.787]
;W[dn]WL[1351.274]
;B[dq]BL[1325.83]
;W[ep]WL[1320.465]
;B[cr]BL[1321.807]
;W[es]WL[1318.375]
;B[do]BL[1300.66]
(;W[eo]WL[1314.84]
;B[co]BL[1299.749]
;W[cm]WL[1295.071]
;B[bm]BL[1295.687]
;W[bl]WL[1271.246]
;B[bn]BL[1284.251]C[Andromedan [2k\]: well at least the ko is still there, but now, black can always 
Andromedan [2k\]: the position has many big moves
]
(;W[hn]WL[1265.066]LB[qc:C][ed:B][ch:D][ql:E][qq:A]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this doesn't attack, doesn't defend, and doesn't play in a big area
Andromedan [2k\]: any move should do at least one of these things
xDragon [8k?\]: brb
Andromedan [2k\]: EVEN the invasion at E
Andromedan [2k\]: if a bit bad at this time
Andromedan [2k\]: is at least trying to do something
Andromedan [2k\]: ok. just say when you're back
xDragon [8k?\]: ok
xDragon [8k?\]: sorry had to use restroom
Andromedan [2k\]: ok
Andromedan [2k\]: so
Andromedan [2k\]: back to the game
Andromedan [2k\]: each move must either 1)attack 2) defend or 3)play in the biggest area
Andromedan [2k\]: if a move can do more than one of these ...GREAT
Andromedan [2k\]: if 0 of these, it's a very bad move
]
(;B[io]BL[1181.581]LB[fr:A]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this move again, doesn't attack, doesn't defend, and doesn't play in a big area
Andromedan [2k\]: same for this
smalltree [8k?\]: i have to catch a plane, thanks for the comments. xDragon, thanks for the game.
Andromedan [2k\]: the bottom side is the smallest side
Andromedan [2k\]: because of the A stone
Andromedan [2k\]: looking under it
Andromedan [2k\]: black needs another move in gote to close it off
Andromedan [2k\]: so there' s no point in even trying to build that side
]
;W[in]WL[1221.368]
;B[jo]BL[1134.572]C[Andromedan [2k\]: both players continue to play in the non important area
]
;W[ho]WL[1169.461]
;B[hp]BL[1105.577]
;W[og]WL[1154.021]
;B[km]BL[1045.205]
;W[cg]WL[1058.992]
;B[ed]CR[gc][lc][qc][fg][qq]BL[1033.786]C[Andromedan [2k\]: invasions and defending moves everywhere
]
;W[eg]WL[1050.362]
;B[ff]BL[968.612]
;W[fg]WL[1018.023]
;B[gg]BL[941.801]
;W[gh]WL[978.247]
;B[hg]BL[938.228]
;W[hh]WL[975.798]
;B[ig]BL[934.714]
;W[ih]WL[973.518]
;B[jg]BL[930.33]
;W[lf]WL[966.112]
;B[ke]BL[848.035]
;W[kf]WL[956.155]
(;B[jf]BL[846.716]C[Andromedan [2k\]: because of this move
]
;W[le]WL[954.133]
;B[ld]BL[841.628]
;W[kd]WL[952.202]
;B[je]BL[840.532]
;W[md]WL[950.842]
;B[lc]BL[839.696]
;W[mc]WL[934.023]C[Andromedan [2k\]: nice
Andromedan [2k\]: black left too much aji
]
(;B[ne]BL[794.55]
;W[me]WL[928.301]
;B[nc]BL[790.062]
(;W[nf]WL[918.784]
;B[qc]BL[764.433]
(;W[lb]WL[881.715]
;B[kc]BL[760.617]
;W[kb]WL[879.925]
;B[jc]BL[754.182]
(;W[mb]WL[877.846]
;B[rc]BL[737.251]
;W[qd]WL[869.694]
;B[oc]BL[726.502]
;W[oe]WL[843.818]
;B[nb]BL[714.417]
;W[mm]WL[787.28]
;B[kk]BL[663.704]
;W[mk]WL[747.492]
(;B[mi]BL[519.853]C[Andromedan [2k\]: is this move big?
xDragon [8k?\]: probably not that big
]
;W[lj]WL[735.245]
;B[li]BL[518.309]
;W[ki]WL[732.554]
;B[kh]BL[379.308]
;W[lh]WL[709.522]
;B[lg]BL[253.442]
;W[mh]WL[705.721]
;B[mg]BL[251.296]
;W[nh]WL[702.181]
;B[kg]BL[249.656]
;W[mf]WL[698.698]
;B[ik]BL[164.254]
;W[gk]WL[622.552]
;B[go]BL[48.506]
;W[gn]WL[618.725]
;B[gj]BL[2.946]
;W[fj]WL[517.097]
;B[hk]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gl]WL[513.064]
;B[qq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[qp]WL[493.374]C[xDragon [8k?\]: oops 30 seconds. forgot to change to 1 min. my bad
]
;B[rq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[rp]WL[485.567]
;B[nn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jn]WL[478.777]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ko]WL[475.008]
;B[lo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[kp]WL[463.567]
;B[jp]BL[30]OB[5]
(;W[lp]WL[447.504]C[Andromedan [2k\]: why change to 1 minute? 30 sec byo yomi is how league games SHOULD be played. 1 minute is only for simuls
]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[5]
(;W[np]WL[417.153]
;B[mp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[oq]WL[413.33]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[or]WL[409.885]
;B[os]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[pq]WL[402.498]
;B[qr]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mq]WL[362.506]
(;B[mr]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nm]WL[341.291]
;B[oo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[op]WL[336.007]
;B[al]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bk]WL[323.369]
;B[bf]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bg]WL[316.912]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[no]WL[314.131]
;B[mn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[on]WL[311.286]
;B[ln]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ef]WL[307.255]
;B[ee]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[is]WL[302.375]LB[hq:A]C[xDragon [8k?\]: i gotta get goin for a bit tho
xDragon [8k?\]: ty for the review
Andromedan [2k\]: the reason is the lack of a black stone at A
Andromedan [2k\]: oh sure
Andromedan [2k\]: no problem
Andromedan [2k\]: :)
Andromedan [2k\]: see you another time
xDragon [8k?\]: cya
Andromedan [2k\]: bye for now
]
;B[ir]BL[30]OB[5]
(;W[hs]WL[295.448]
;B[js]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[hr]WL[284.666]
;B[hq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gr]WL[275.911]
;B[pe]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[iq]WL[264.605]
;B[ip]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[pf]WL[232.108]
;B[qe]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[re]WL[230.301]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[sf]WL[227.532]
;B[sp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[so]WL[224.038]
;B[sq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ro]WL[221.844]
;B[cf]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[df]WL[218.213]
;B[de]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hj]WL[212.574]
;B[ij]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hi]WL[208.655]
;B[ag]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ah]WL[205.263]
;B[af]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[bh]WL[199.684]
;B[kj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ji]WL[196.104]
;B[lk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[mj]WL[192.609]
;B[hl]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hm]WL[186.971]
;B[cs]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ds]WL[126.28]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[la]WL[116.488]
;B[na]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ng]WL[97.429]
;B[ll]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ja]WL[15.971]
;B[ia]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ak]WL[11.97]
;B[am]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[se]WL[8.497]
;B[sc]BL[30]OB[4]LB[jr:A]C[Andromedan [2k\]: but the problem came here
Andromedan [2k\]: game is very close. 
Andromedan [2k\]: black is a tiny bit ahead
Andromedan [2k\]: and white spots a weakness
Andromedan [2k\]: right?
smalltree [8k?\]: yes
Andromedan [2k\]: so, what do you do as white? force him to defend it???
]
(;W[ks]WL[30]OW[5]C[sinprejic [2k\]: oh oh I know the answer :)
Andromedan [2k\]: never play these moves
Andromedan [2k\]: unless you've read out they work
]
;B[jr]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[qs]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ns]WL[30]OW[5]
(;B[lq]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ps]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[rs]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[os]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[sr]BL[30]OB[3]
(;W[ls]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ms]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[od]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[of]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nl]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jm]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[im]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[il]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[fn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jj]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ii]WL[30]OW[5]C[Andromedan [2k\]: pleaaaase give me control after this one
]
;B[]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[qb]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[]BL[30]OB[2]TW[rf][dg][pg][qg][rg][sg][ch][dh][eh][fh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][gi][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][aj][bj][dj][ej][gj][nj][oj][pj][rj][sj][ck][dk][ek][fk][nk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][cl][dl][el][fl][ol][pl][ql][rl][sl][em][fm][gm][om][pm][qm][rm][sm][en][qn][rn][sn][oo][po][qo][er][fs][gs]TB[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][ob][pb][rb][sb][ac][bc][cc][dc][ec][fc][gc][hc][pc][ad][bd][dd][fd][gd][hd][id][jd][kd][ae][be][ce][fe][ge][he][ie][gf][hf][if][jk][jl][kl][an][ao][bo][ko][ap][bp][kp][lp][aq][bq][iq][kq][mq][ar][br][kr][lr][rr][as][bs][ks][ls][ss]C[xDragon [8k?\]: gg ty
Andromedan [2k\]: hey there
Andromedan [2k\]: nice game
Andromedan [2k\]: can I have control?
smalltree [8k?\]: u too, veery nice
])
(;W[ms]C[xDragon [8k?\]: was expecting that
Andromedan [2k\]: that wasn't the problem
smalltree [8k?\]: much better than the game
Andromedan [2k\]: it was earlier
Andromedan [2k\]: can I show?
xDragon [8k?\]: yea
xDragon [8k?\]: that was just 1 thing i saw
]))
(;B[ms]C[Andromedan [2k\]: first of all
Andromedan [2k\]: this works
Andromedan [2k\]: white dies
xDragon [8k?\]: yea i should have, thought so after i played
Andromedan [2k\]: but 
Andromedan [2k\]: well
Andromedan [2k\]: actually
Andromedan [2k\]: you MUST read every move in yose
Andromedan [2k\]: no other way
]))
(;W[kr]C[Andromedan [2k\]: now
Andromedan [2k\]: black can't connct
smalltree [8k?\]: thanks!
]
(;B[jr]
;W[kq]C[Andromedan [2k\]: or he dies
Andromedan [2k\]: :)
])
(;B[kq]
;W[jr]
;B[lr]
;W[ks]
;B[ls]
;W[js]C[Andromedan [2k\]: and white should win
]
;B[ml]
;W[nl]
;B[jm]
;W[jj]
;B[jk]
;W[im]
;B[il]
;W[fn])))
(;W[js]C[Andromedan [2k\]: usually
Andromedan [2k\]: this move is impossible
Andromedan [2k\]: but
Andromedan [2k\]: sometimes an unusual position arises
]
;B[hs]
;W[hr]
(;B[gr]
;W[gs])
(;B[ks]
;W[gs]
;B[jr]
;W[hs]
;B[gr]
;W[hq]
;B[ip]
;W[kr]C[Andromedan [2k\]: very unusual
Andromedan [2k\]: :)
xDragon [8k?\]: hmm yea
])))
(;B[no]C[Andromedan [2k\]: hmm
Andromedan [2k\]: just before defending
Andromedan [2k\]: this move first is quite huge
Andromedan [2k\]: nice foring move
]
;W[op]
;B[mr]
;W[nm]))
(;W[gr]
;B[hr]))
(;W[kq]))
(;B[qq]LB[rn:A]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this wants to go all the way to A
])
(;B[bf]C[Andromedan [2k\]: compare the difference
Andromedan [2k\]: between a black mvoe here
])
(;B[be])
(;B[]
;W[be]C[Andromedan [2k\]: and a white move here
])
(;B[lh]
;W[kg]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]
(;B[mj]
;W[lj])
(;B[lj]
;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[ni]
;B[nh]
;W[oh]
;B[sd]
;W[re]
;B[qq]
;W[qp]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this way black doesn't get cut off and keeps reducing 
]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]
;B[sp]
;W[so]
;B[sq]
;W[rn]
(;B[il])
(;B[nn]
;W[nm]
(;B[il]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this looks like a white nightmare
]
;W[jn]
;B[kn]
;W[ko]
;B[lo]
;W[kp]
;B[lp]
;W[kq]
;B[lq]
;W[ip]
;B[jp]
;W[iq]
;B[kr]
;W[hr]
;B[ir]
;W[hq]
;B[gr]C[Andromedan [2k\]: and  if the cut worries you
])
(;B[jn]
;W[il]
;B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[on]
;W[om]
;B[cf]
;W[np]
;B[mp]
;W[no]
;B[mo]
;W[mn]
;B[oq]
;W[lo]
;B[lp]
;W[kn]
;B[im]
;W[hm]
;B[jm]
;W[ij]
;B[ag]
;W[ah]
;B[af]
;W[bi])))))
(;W[nb]
;B[ob]
;W[rc]
;B[na]
;W[mb]
;B[rb]
;W[sb]
;B[qb]
;W[oe]
;B[od]
;W[ha]
;B[hb]
;W[ia]
;B[ga]
;W[jb]
;B[ib]
;W[ja]
;B[fb]
;W[pa]
;B[oa]
;W[pb]))
(;W[kc]C[Andromedan [2k\]: much bigger
]))
(;W[kc])
(;W[mb]
(;B[kc]
;W[nf]C[Andromedan [2k\]: black is in dire trouble here
])
(;B[nf]
;W[ng]
;B[mg]
;W[mf]
(;B[kc])
(;B[lg]
;W[kg]
;B[kh]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]
(;W[lb]
;B[jb]
(;W[nb]
;B[ob]
;W[pb])
(;W[ob]
;B[nb]
;W[na]
;B[pb]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]
;W[od]
;B[oe]
;W[oa]
(;B[pa])
(;B[ma]
;W[la]
;B[pa]
;W[ma]
;B[qe]
;W[pf]
;B[pe]
;W[re])))
(;W[jb]C[Andromedan [2k\]: lots of things to check
Andromedan [2k\]: but black can lose the game
Andromedan [2k\]: right here
])))))
(;B[me]
;W[kc]
;B[lb]
;W[nc]
;B[mf]
;W[lg]
;B[oc]
;W[ne]
;B[od]
;W[nf]
;B[mg]
;W[mh]))
(;B[je]C[Andromedan [2k\]: now black's area is too big
Andromedan [2k\]: this one leaves better shape
Andromedan [2k\]: so
Andromedan [2k\]: again
Andromedan [2k\]: do NOT get cut apart
Andromedan [2k\]: stay stronger when opponent is trying to gain strength near you
]
(;W[le]
;B[ld]
;W[md]
;B[mc]
;W[me]
;B[lc])
(;W[jf]
;B[if]
;W[le]
;B[ld]C[Andromedan [2k\]: two stones are much stronger than 1
])))
(;B[qq])
(;B[ed])
(;B[dg])
(;B[qc]LB[qh:A]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this move threatens A
Andromedan [2k\]: for instance
]
;W[ph]
;B[qq]C[Andromedan [2k\]: and white can't really stop and defend his area
]
;W[qp]
;B[ed]C[Andromedan [2k\]: black has recovered from the bad start at bottom left
Andromedan [2k\]: in my opinion
]))
(;W[io]WL[1147.226]C[smalltree [8k?\]: oops
smalltree [8k?\]: miss click, oh well ;)
xDragon [8k?\]: caqn undo if u want
smalltree [8k?\]: u sure?
xDragon [8k?\]: yea
smalltree [8k?\]: thanks
])
(;W[cs]
;B[br]C[Andromedan [2k\]: decide to just live
Andromedan [2k\]: so it's just a reduction
Andromedan [2k\]: less interesting
])
(;W[cf])
(;W[de])
(;W[qc])
(;W[qq])
(;W[mo]
;B[lp]
;W[ng]C[Andromedan [2k\]: many options
]))
(;W[bm]
;B[]
;W[cs]
;B[bs]
;W[br]C[Andromedan [2k\]: white should remeber he always has this ko
Andromedan [2k\]: black doesn't like this position
]))
(;W[dq]C[Andromedan [2k\]: I'd check if I can reduce the forcing moves to zero
Andromedan [2k\]: try to go for the kill
Andromedan [2k\]: probably not possible
Andromedan [2k\]: but I would check it
]
;B[cp]
;W[br]C[Andromedan [2k\]: difficult
]))
(;B[eq]C[Andromedan [2k\]: if C6 wasn't there
Andromedan [2k\]: you'd try this maybe
Andromedan [2k\]: or
Andromedan [2k\]: more to the point
Andromedan [2k\]: if c6 AND c10
Andromedan [2k\]: weren't there
sinprejic [2k\]: This is fine here..
Andromedan [2k\]: actually this is much better than the move played
Andromedan [2k\]: well
Andromedan [2k\]: it hit me as a surprise with a lesson from Li Ang, but it seems that 
Andromedan [2k\]: in 3 space pincer joseki
Andromedan [2k\]: )C10)
Andromedan [2k\]: this move is less good than
])
(;B[dq]C[Andromedan [2k\]: this one
Andromedan [2k\]: so black gets a lot of cash and he needs more moves to kill black
Andromedan [2k\]: but yeah
Andromedan [2k\]: both this and e3 are great
]))
(;B[nq]C[Andromedan [2k\]: lower right is big
Andromedan [2k\]: because of R10
Andromedan [2k\]: or
])
(;B[cn]
;W[fq]
;B[dj]C[Andromedan [2k\]: create a large potential on left
Andromedan [2k\]: actually this had been played in pro games before. 
Andromedan [2k\]: with mixed results
Andromedan [2k\]: but I like it for black too
sinprejic [2k\]: yes, but this is exactly black's plan.
Andromedan [2k\]: and yet, it's not necessarily an advantage
Andromedan [2k\]: depending on how good you are at reductions/invations
Andromedan [2k\]: *invasions
]))
